Does God Through Christ Love Us Individually, or Just Corporately?

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Seriously, so now you are blaming her gender for being a reason for ‘ You ‘ not being able to understand what she was saying. What a pathetic way of thinking.
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The last time I successfully read such a mind there was not much to see. Only two things were apparent:

1.) A compulsion to express every personal feeling.
2.) A felt right to get something.
 

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The last time I successfully read such a mind there was not much to see. Only two things were apparent:

1.) A compulsion to express every personal feeling.
2.) A felt right to get something.
And you talk to others about arrogance !!
 
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And you talk to others about arrogance !!
Yes, 1.) and 2.) above always show shallow arrogance. Irrefutably, by the way.

But, I do forgive them.
 
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I am not quite sure why you welcomed me to the Forum. As well, I am not quite sure why you made such a long post with little train of thought.

I can only see:

1.) You are in charge of a hospitality need you imagine exists.
2 .) Expressing your feelings and ideas is important.

Let me know if this is correct. Thanks do much.

Never mind. Have a great day.
 

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I am not quite sure why you welcomed me to the Forum. As well, I am not quite sure why you made such a long post with little train of thought.

I can only see:

1.) You are in charge of a hospitality need you imagine exists.
2 .) Expressing your feelings and ideas is important.

Let me know if this is correct. Thanks do much.
Evidently, it seems to me you must 'love' the church corporately but not so much individually. I find that sad you do not feel that in your relationship with your Father.

Your post has no 'upside', no purpose but to make sheep struggling to feel special in the eyes of God even further away and unimportant. It attempts to tarnish the individual relationship God desires to have with each one of His children. At least, that is how it comes across in my view. As you stated, let me know if this is correct.

You forget that in Heaven, God will give each one of us a special name known only to Him and us.

You forget that the shepherd leaves the ninety and nine and goes after the one who strayed away, and it mattered not which one it was. He loves all of His sheep, each in His own special way.

When Jesus was on the earth, he was fully man as well as God and like any man, connected deeper with some than with others. In Heaven, we shall be like Him for we will see Him as He really is, and we will, individually, be one with Him and loved by Him.

Can I ask you a question? If you are not a troll, and I say that giving your intents the benefit of the doubt, what purpose would you have for making such a post? I find it both confusing as well as sad.

Gideon
 

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Yes, Jesus had individually focused love upon Apostle John, Lazarus, sisters Mary and Martha. No apparent others. God never stated He individually loved any of His Prophets.

God states He "So loved the World." Jesus loved His Disciples as a group, but nowhere does Jesus verbally state to an individual He loves them. Jesus loves only corporately.

As well, God's Love is conditional. Psalm 146:8, "The Lord loveth the righteous." Sinners are not righteous.

Scripture says He knows you. Matt. 7 says He never was intimate with teh unbeliever there. Th eopposite is true as well . He is intimate with his children.
 
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Oh he absolutely loves us individually. It can feel like you're the only person he loves at times. Then he seems strangely absent at times. I am not sure why so much of this is mysteriously hidden from us.
 

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Evidently, it seems to me you must 'love' the church corporately but not so much individually. I find that sad you do not feel that in your relationship with your Father.

Your post has no 'upside', no purpose but to make sheep struggling to feel special in the eyes of God even further away and unimportant. It attempts to tarnish the individual relationship God desires to have with each one of His children. At least, that is how it comes across in my view. As you stated, let me know if this is correct.

You forget that in Heaven, God will give each one of us a special name known only to Him and us.

You forget that the shepherd leaves the ninety and nine and goes after the one who strayed away, and it mattered not which one it was. He loves all of His sheep, each in His own special way.

When Jesus was on the earth, he was fully man as well as God and like any man, connected deeper with some than with others. In Heaven, we shall be like Him for we will see Him as He really is, and we will, individually, be one with Him and loved by Him.

Can I ask you a question? If you are not a troll, and I say that giving your intents the benefit of the doubt, what purpose would you have for making such a post? I find it both confusing as well as sad.

Gideon
 

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So strange. Thank you for focusing upon "how things and how I personally seem to be" according to your intuition and emotions.

In Scripture, Jesus never welcomed visitors, never stated "I love you to" to an individual but only to groups of followers, never complimented anyone for their social niceties, never chatted with pro forma small talk, never joked around with guys, never made compromising concessions, never said anyone was "special."

Jesus spoke blunt facts, immediately identified the core of all issues, corrected every spiritual error within His People, constantly made axiomatic statements, caused people to depart from their own trivia, spoke as no other man, winnowed talkers from doers, revealed the limits of feigned Godliness, told people they could take it or leave it.

I have tarnished nothing. A person's Salvation through Christ and their placement in The Kingdom of God will not in any manner be affected by comments from someone else.

Perfect and sinless Eve in The Garden decided to rebel against God because of her gender oriented desire to be "special" beyond what God had provided for her. The desires to be "special" drives all people who are not satisfied in their completeness through Christ.
 

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Luke 12:7
"But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows."
The sparrows still die, and our numbered hairs still fall out. Correct?
 

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Yes, Jesus had individually focused love upon Apostle John, Lazarus, sisters Mary and Martha. No apparent others. God never stated He individually loved any of His Prophets.

God states He "So loved the World." Jesus loved His Disciples as a group, but nowhere does Jesus verbally state to an individual He loves them. Jesus loves only corporately.

As well, God's Love is conditional. Psalm 146:8, "The Lord loveth the righteous." Sinners are not righteous.

'But God commendeth His love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.'

(Romans 5:8)

Hello Jacob28,

God loves not in word only but in deed and in truth. We know that He loves all men individually for although He sent His Son to die for the sins of the whole world, it requires an individual response for it to be received.

It requires that we believe God concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, and receive the salvation He offers through faith in the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ on our behalf. Who took our sin upon Himself and bore it to Calvary's cross, and died in our place, paying sin's penalty, that we by believing on Him, may have life through His Name.

That is love expressed towards all mankind, but individually received.

'My little children,
let us not love in word,
neither in tongue;
but in deed and in truth.'

(1John 3:18)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Scripture says He knows you. Matt. 7 says He never was intimate with teh unbeliever there. Th eopposite is true as well . He is intimate with his children.
Tell us how He is intimate with you. If you cannot or do not, then your claim about intimacy is false.
 

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Tell us the consequence of our hairs being numbered. Step up and answer.
 

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'But God commendeth His love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.'

(Romans 5:8)

Hello Jacob28,

God loves not in word only but in deed and in truth. We know that He loves all men individually for although He sent His Son to die for the sins of the whole world, it requires an individual response for it to be received.

It requires that we believe God concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, and receive the salvation He offers through faith in the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ on our behalf. Who took our sin upon Himself and bore it to Calvary's cross, and died in our place, taking sin's penalty, that we by believing on Him, may have life through His Name.

That is love expressed towards all mankind, but individually received.

'My little children,
let us not love in word,
neither in tongue;
but in deed and in truth.'

(1John 3:18)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Are you trained and commissioned to speak "We?". Yes? How and by whom?
 

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Oh he absolutely loves us individually. It can feel like you're the only person he loves at times. Then he seems strangely absent at times. I am not sure why so much of this is mysteriously hidden from us.
Yes, I do agree you are thinking with your feelings. Quite typical.