So what's so new about the new Covenant, and is it better, really?
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Clearly Jesus the man does not dwell in us, but His love does. (From the posts above, I'm not sure.
)Jesus said, Abide in me as I abide in you.(John 15:4)
If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask for whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. (John 15:7)
All who obey his commandments abide in him, and he abides in them. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit that he has given us. (1 John 3:24)
Those who abide in me and I in them bear much fruit, (John 15:5)
This is Christ in us, and it is a two-way relationship. The fact that Christ abides in us, as we do in Him, speaks of his unbounded love for us and our love for him that resides in our hearts where Jesus is one with us and we with him. So I would say it is the love of Jesus in our hearts that makes us one with him, and the gifts of the Holy Spirit are given to us by the third person of the Trinity.
So now, those who want to live a fulfilled life with God need to seek his gifts and according to Ephesians 4:10-12 It was Jesus who "gave gifts to people." These are not the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but the gift of apostleship, the gift of prophesy, evangelism, pastorship and teaching. He did this to prepare all God's people for the work of Christian service, in order to build up the body of Christ" for we are His servants.
Too often people sit back in their pew thinking "I am O.K. I'm going to heaven." This is a very one-sided relationship, Jesus gave his all for us, but what have we given Him? We are saved by faith, and works are meant to follow, and then, we are known by our works. So, why don't we seek the gifts and lay our life on the altar for God.
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Ferris Bueller
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No, Paul was not mocking the Circumcision group in Galatians 5:12. So don't use that as an excuse to abuse others who don't agree with your teaching. Paul is making reference to the law. Do you know which law?
Can you think of even just one example in the NT where the law is good, being used properly, where it is not a source of condemnation and the attempt to save yourself by your works (which seems to be the only way you can understand it)?
The Law is not just “ good” .....it is “ GREAT”.........
Think of all the rest of the World that never had the Law...They had no guidance....no instructions for living their lives with wisdom...
Life is complicated ........God gave the Jews an “ instruction manual” that has also been handed to the rest of the world to help us get through this life successfully......
Only a Fool would disregard an Instruction manual.The Old Testament and the Law are Supreme when it comes to guidance in this lifetime......This “Guide” ultimately was intended to lead people to the Savior, Jesus Christ because it has to be kept perfectly to be an instrument for one’s Salvation—- and nobody but Jesus could ever do it.
People should obey the Laws Of God as best they can—— they will be blessed every time that they do and they will lose every time they don’t......use it your entire lifetime for those reasons and those reasons only....if it has lead you to Christ , it has performed its ultimate, intended purpose....
Once you have received Christ and His Grace to Save you, you have something better now to be your Instruction Manual.....it’s called the Holy Spirit.Once you are Born Again, with that Spirit Inside Of you, you will “ Find Yourself” Doing the things that please God .....
The Law could only concentrate on the “ outside of the cup”....... that is much better than nothing , but the Holy Spirit can “ TRANSFORM” the “ INSIDE of the cup”, and that is what counts with God .
To simplify all of this, simply REST in the Gospel Of 1 Cor 15:1-4 , that will get the Holy Spirit in you and Save you, you can then trade In trying to obey an impossible system of Laws with the New, Inward Man That will guide you better than the Law could ever DREAM of doing.....the “ qualifier “ fir all of this Good Stuff?...... You have to TRUST God to do the work and not yourself.....You put your Eternal Soul into the Hands Of Jesus and Him only—- THAT is Saving Faith......
The Law is not just “ good” .....it is “ GREAT”.........
Think of all the rest of the World that never had the Law...They had no guidance....no instructions for living their lives with wisdom...
Life is complicated ........God gave the Jews an “ instruction manual” that has also been handed to the rest of the world to help us get through this life successfully......
Only a Fool would disregard an Instruction manual.The Old Testament and the Law are Supreme when it comes to guidance in this lifetime......This “Guide” ultimately was intended to lead people to the Savior, Jesus Christ because it has to be kept perfectly to be an instrument for one’s Salvation—- and nobody but Jesus could ever do it.
People should obey the Laws Of God as best they can—— they will be blessed every time that they do and they will lose every time they don’t......use it your entire lifetime for those reasons and those reasons only....if it has lead you to Christ , it has performed its ultimate, intended purpose....
Once you have received Christ and His Grace to Save you, you have something better now to be your Instruction Manual.....it’s called the Holy Spirit.Once you are Born Again, with that Spirit Inside Of you, you will “ Find Yourself” Doing the things that please God .....
The Law could only concentrate on the “ outside of the cup”....... that is much better than nothing , but the Holy Spirit can “ TRANSFORM” the “ INSIDE of the cup”, and that is what counts with God .
To simplify all of this, simply REST in the Gospel Of 1 Cor 15:1-4 , that will get the Holy Spirit in you and Save you, you can then trade In trying to obey an impossible system of Laws with the New, Inward Man That will guide you better than the Law could ever DREAM of doing.....the “ qualifier “ fir all of this Good Stuff?...... You have to TRUST God to do the work and not yourself.....You put your Eternal Soul into the Hands Of Jesus and Him only—- THAT is Saving Faith......
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No man can serve two masters and Jesus said that to those who practised the law.
I will tell you what though, you can follow the laws of Jesus which are stricter than the OT laws, and if you cut out everything that is against the law of the land in America, like stoning women caught in adultery then I think you would be following Jesus all the time and not be getting into trouble with the authorities. We are meant to obey those in authority over us. Why don't you study it and look at the result.
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The death penalty for the sins that required death was fulfilled by Jesus. Just as the sacrifice required for sins not requiring the death penalty was fulfilled by Jesus. That's why those laws have been laid aside. We are to keep the laws that remain when you lay aside the laws that find their satisfactory fulfillment in the work of Christ and which don't have to be literally kept by us personally.
Eternally Grateful
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The death penalty was for not keeping the ten commands, the minister od death written on stone
That is still valid, for those who reject grace
what other part of the law is valid?
Ferris Bueller
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Yes, it is still valid for unbelievers. They are still under the law and the law does not make provision for that grace.
The law must be fulfilled. So Christ became the fulfillment of the law requiring death. He did not destroy the law requiring death. He fulfilled it. For that is exactly what he said he came to do—fulfill the law, not destroy it and cast it away.
"Love the Lord your God" (Deuteronomy 6:5), and "love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18) and all the commandments that represent the keeping of those commands as they relate to each other (to love God is to love others, to love others is to love God).
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50 Commands of Christ - Summary List
1. Repent—Matthew 4:17, Luke 13:3
2. Let not your heart be troubled—John 14:27, John 16:33, Matthew 6:25-26, Philippians 4:6-7
3. Follow me—Matthew 4:19
4. Rejoice—Matthew 5:12, (Also 2 Corinthians 6:10, 12:10, James 1:2-4)
5. Let your light shine—Matthew 5:16
6. Honor God’s law—Matthew 5:17-19
7. Be reconciled—Matthew 5:24-25
8. Do not commit adultery—Matthew 5:27-30
9. Keep your word—Matthew 5:33-37
10. Go the second mile—Matthew 5:38-42
11. Love your enemies—Matthew 5:44
12. Be perfect—Matthew 5:48
13. Practice secret disciplines (giving, praying, fasting)—Matthew 6:1-18
14. Lay up treasures in heaven—Matthew 6:19-21
15. Seek first the kingdom of God—Matthew 6:33
16. Judge not—Matthew 7:1-2
17. Do not throw your pearls to pigs—Matthew 7:6
18. Ask, seek, and knock—Matthew 7:7-8
19. Do unto others—Matthew 7:12
20. Choose the narrow way—Matthew 7:13-14
21. Beware of false prophets—Matthew 7:15
22. Pray for those who spread the word—Matthew 9:37-38
23. Be as shrewd as serpents—Matthew 10:16. (Also Romans 16:19)
24. Fear God. Do not fear man— Matthew 10:28 (Also Luke 12:4-5)
25. Listen to God’s voice—Matthew 11:15, 13:9, 13:43, Mark 4:23, Luke 14:35, 1 Kings 19:11-13
26.Take my yoke—Matthew 11:29
27. Honor your parents—Matthew 15:4
28. Beware of false teaching—Matthew 16:6, 11-12
29. Deny yourself—Luke 9:23 (Also Matthew 10:38 and Mark 8:34)
30. Do not despise little ones—Matthew 18:10
31. Go to Christians who offend you—Matthew 8:15 (Also Galatians 6:1)
32. Forgive offenders—Matthew 18:21-22 (Also Proverbs 19:11)
33. Beware of covetousness—Luke 12:15
34. Honor marriage—Matthew 19:6, 19:9
35. Lead by being a servant—Matthew 20:26-28
36. Make the church a house of prayer for all nations—Mark 11:17
37. Pray in faith—Matthew 21:21-22, John 15:7
38. Bring in the poor—Luke 14:12-14
39. Render unto Caesar—Matthew 22:19-21
40. Love the Lord—Matthew 22:37-38
41. Love your neighbor—Matthew 22:39
42. Be born again—John 3:7
43. Await my return—Matthew 24:42-44
44. Celebrate the Lord’s supper—Matthew 26:26-
45. Watch and pray—Matthew 26:41
46. Keep my commandments—John 14:15
47. Feed my sheep—John 21:15-16
48. Make and baptize disciples—Matthew 28:19
49. Teach disciples to obey—Matthew 28:20
50. Receive God’s power—Luke 24:49
50 Commands of Jesus - Practical Bible study - 15 lessons - What they mean today
Eternally Grateful
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Yes but even the unbeliever can not keep the law it’s why they need Christ
even so the law has fulfilled its purpose in the believer, thus is no longer needed
In the law of Moses, your neighbor is your fellow Jew
in the law of Christ your neighbor included everyone you come across, even your enemy
I consider that apostleship, prophecy, evangelism, pastoring and teaching are all gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Even when we have the Holy Spirit, the following verses may apply.
Jas 1:22, But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23, For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24, For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Pro 28:9, He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
Rom 8:7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
The believer can walk in such a manner as to have the righteousness of the law fulfilled in him (Romans 8:4).
While no one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).
As believers in Christ, we have been delivered from the law so that we no longer walk in the oldness of the letter; but in the newness of the spirit (Romans 7:6).
As concerning the letter of the law, it is the requirement for all those who would seek to save themselves through works or law-keeping (see Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).
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I agree with all of those things.....why must you throw in “ Lucky Repentance?” It proves that you do not really Believe in “ N O T H I N G” but the Blood for Salvation and that is ALL that I am talking about.....you can’t logically say “ Nothing” and then ADD “ Repenting all of your sins before you die”—- it’s illogical crazy- talk........
“ NOTHING” means NOTHING! A five year old could get that....as do “ Uncommon” men and Women....
I am “ none of the above” .....Paul got it wrong . Who am I ? I am the TRUE “ Chief Of Sinners” .....Sorry , Paul.....time for you to step aside.....there’s a New Kid in town....
The only “ worse fruit” would be pushing a False Gospel Of “ Lucky Repentance” that spits on the Blood Of Jesus.....
If things were done in here on a strict Biblical basis.....you would be “ Cast Out” of here as Hagar and Ishmael were ...... You are Big on the Old Testament , yet you don’t “ Get” the Lesson Of That story do you? In the Allegory ...YOU are Ishmael , the Son Of The Bondwoman......what with the way you turn Repentance into a Work to Merit Heaven.....
So, you are preaching only to the uncommon...only to the intelligent thinkers...thus you exclude from the salvation that you offer those who are less intelligent.
As I said.....you don’t have to be a “ deep thinker”.......did you even READ my Post? ...... this has nothing to do with I Q ......it has to do with “ self insight” and “Spiritual Discernment”...... gifts from God .....the Common Man lacks them.....this type of man is not stupid ....nor mean....nor anything else—— he is just “ common”, that’s all.....they lack insight into the things of God and you can find them anywhere....a TON of them hang out in here and other Forums and Churches....A lot of them are-probably Tares....who knows....
As I said.....you don’t have to be a “ deep thinker”.......did you even READ my Post? ...... this has nothing to do with I Q ......it has to do with “ self insight” and “Spiritual Discernment”...... gifts from God .....the Common Man lacks them.....this type of man is not stupid ....nor mean....nor anything else—— he is just “ common”, that’s all.....they lack insight into the things of God and you can find them anywhere....a TON of them hang out in here and other Forums and Churches....A lot of them are-probably Tares....who knows....
However, ot appears that you deny that Ezekiel 33:11-20 is profitable or doctrine.
Romans 3:10-18, The Message:
"There's nobody living right, no, not one, nobody knows the score, nobody alert for God. They've all taken the wrong turn; they've all wandered down blind alleys. No one's living right; I can't find a single one. Their throats are gaping graves, their tongues slick as mudslides. Every word they speak is tinged with poison, They open their mouths and pollute the air. They race for the honour of sinner-of-the year, litter the land with heartbreak and ruin. Don't know the first thing about living with others. They never give God the time of day."
That Romans 3:10-18 does not apply to the redeemed is evident in Romans 3:19 and in Romans 6:14; in Romans 3:9 and in 1 Corinthians 10:32.
For, Romans 3:10-18 is what the law says to those who are under it, that they are all under sin.
Jews and Gentiles are all under sin. But there is a third group, the church of God; and they are not under the law.
I suppose that Ezekiel was guilty of promoting this "false gospel"...
Because his words are the origin of what you deem to be my "false gospel".
I will say to you that his words are profitable for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16).
I would ask you to go through Ezekiel 33:11-20 and expound on it and extract from it the doctrine that it teaches us.
I think that if you would do that honestly, you would also come over to believe in my viewpoint.
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Your statement to me is obviously, "you're odious" and in that, you have three fingers pointing back at you.
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