Christian "gay Bashing"

Selene · Nov 4, 2010

religusnut said:
I have never seen murders marching in the streets celebrating the fact that they were murders. I find no legislation protecting murders as a special protected class of people. I find nothing in the classrooms for little children tell them that being a murder is normal.

Sorry but your agreement with this does not hold water. They need to be put out of the front of society as an accepted class and anything favorable should not be said about them because there is nothing favorable about that lifestyle.

As Christians, Christ called us to love the sinners. We are all sinners including the homosexuals. I am not a lesbian, but I know that I am no better than one. Do I condone homosexuality? No. My posts show that I am against it and even my Church stands against same-sex marriage. But that does not mean that we are to persecute homosexuals by banning them from holding jobs or housing.

In Christ,
Selene

mjrhealth · Nov 4, 2010

Now all we need is all the perfect christians in the world to stand up, take there placards and walk down the street, declaring there self rightousness, while Jesus goes out to the sinners of the world and shows them His love. Is it not written in this bible that you so love",

Matthew 9:12 (King James Version)

12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

That is why Jesus went into the pubs and the slums to the sick , to the sinners , the tax collectors, because they knew they needed a saviour whilst all the religious belived they had it all.

In His Love

religusnut · Nov 4, 2010

mjrhealth said:
Now all we need is all the perfect christians in the world to stand up, take there placards and walk down the street, declaring there self rightousness, while Jesus goes out to the sinners of the world and shows them His love. Is it not written in this bible that you so love",

Matthew 9:12 (King James Version)

12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

That is why Jesus went into the pubs and the slums to the sick , to the sinners , the tax collectors, because they knew they needed a saviour whilst all the religious belived they had it all.

In His Love

Yes all of those evil Christians are going to mess up those homosexuals events where they are showing their pride. Disgusting ain't it?

Selene said:
As Christians, Christ called us to love the sinners. We are all sinners including the homosexuals. I am not a lesbian, but I know that I am no better than one. Do I condone homosexuality? No. My posts show that I am against it and even my Church stands against same-sex marriage. But that does not mean that we are to persecute homosexuals by banning them from holding jobs or housing.

In Christ,
Selene

The point is not giving them preferred status and condoning their open perversion.

Foreigner · Nov 5, 2010

"The point is not giving them preferred status and condoning their open perversion. " - religusnut

-- Exactly correct

The Bible says, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;" - Isaiah 5:20

mjrhealth · Nov 5, 2010

Now the next time you go and wave your placards about, telling people thye are sinners, do not expect Christ to be with you, for Jesus to stand with you and call men sinners He would have to become like men, to become like satan, and be the accuser instead of the forgiver, for He came to forgive men of there sins not to accuse them. when Jesus was with the lady a the well, did He call her a siner?? No, He simply stated the truth, that she was not married and the man she was with was not her husband. When Jesus saw the blind man.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

When the lady with the infirmity touched Him, did He accuse her of sin, No He simply told her that her faith had made her whole. When the crowd came accusing the women of adultry, did Jesus accuse her of sin. No? He simply told her to go and sin no more. But what of the pharrisees, the religious, He told them,
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So remember this, when you run around accusing men of sin, the only one who will be standing with you, is satan, for He is the acuuser,

In His Love

religusnut · Nov 5, 2010

mjrhealth said:
Now the next time you go and wave your placards about, telling people thye are sinners, do not expect Christ to be with you, for Jesus to stand with you and call men sinners He would have to become like men, to become like satan, and be the accuser instead of the forgiver, for He came to forgive men of there sins not to accuse them. when Jesus was with the lady a the well, did He call her a siner?? No, He simply stated the truth, that she was not married and the man she was with was not her husband. When Jesus saw the blind man.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

When the lady with the infirmity touched Him, did He accuse her of sin, No He simply told her that her faith had made her whole. When the crowd came accusing the women of adultry, did Jesus accuse her of sin. No? He simply told her to go and sin no more. But what of the pharrisees, the religious, He told them,
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So remember this, when you run around accusing men of sin, the only one who will be standing with you, is satan, for He is the acuuser,

In His Love

Those homosexuals that are participating in open fanfare in those outing festivals or what ever you call them are openly sinning. They are admitting to sinning. They are in fact flagrantly shaking their fist in the face of God and admitting it. The man holding the sign with a scripture verse on it is only pointing out what is sin and what is not.

Most of America it appears is more concerned with their feelings than they are about seeing their souls saved. You either sit down and shut up and thus allow them to go to hell with out telling them the difference or risk dealing with people who are wanting to protect their rights that profess to be Christians but could apparently care less if they go to Hell.

mjrhealth · Nov 5, 2010

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Which part of love, do you not understand. When did you become better then them. no one is saying that what they are doing is right, but as a christian you have no right to judge them, that is for God and Him alone.

In His Love

The prayers of a rightous man avails much. This is our duty.

religusnut · Nov 5, 2010

mjrhealth said:
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Which part of love, do you not understand. When did you become better then them. no one is saying that what they are doing is right, but as a christian you have no right to judge them, that is for God and Him alone.

In His Love

The prayers of a rightous man avails much. This is our duty.

Sooo you are saying that we do not need to witness to them nor preach the Gospel to them nor anything else. You think it best if we just pray for them and nothing more. Hmmm very interesting.

mjrhealth · Nov 5, 2010

religusnut said:
Sooo you are saying that we do not need to witness to them nor preach the Gospel to them nor anything else. You think it best if we just pray for them and nothing more. Hmmm very interesting.

Preaching the gospel never included pointing fingers at people and calling them sinners, that is the pot calling the kettle black. Jesus never did, when did we become more rightous then Him..

In His LOve

religusnut · Nov 5, 2010

mjrhealth said:
Preaching the gospel never included pointing fingers at people and calling them sinners, that is the pot calling the kettle black. Jesus never did, when did we become more rightous then Him..

In His LOve

So you think we just do not need to let them know that sodomy is a sin. Shucks if it were not for all of those ole bad Christians out there there would not even be such a thing as sin.

marksman · Nov 5, 2010

For what it is worth the scripture says to be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves From my own experience of spending two years running a support group for homosexuals exiting their way of life, there are some basics that will inform what we do.

The root cause of homosexuality is rejection either actual or perceived. Because of this the person has a defensive detachment that is a weapon they use to prevent further rejection.The outworkings of this is that they trust no one. telling them they are right, wrong or indifferent will not change anything.

What they desperately need is acceptance, the same as everyone does. If you want to change anything for the homosexual, first and foremost you have to accept them with their sin. Any judgment on your part and they will back off.

Secondly, the problem is not their homosexuality as that is only a fruit of the root. The problem is their need to be accepted and loved unconditionally.

Once they know they have this from you, they will listen to what you have to say and please don't talk about their homosexuality unless they bring it up. Talk about how much you love and care for them and how much God loves and cares for them.

They need lots of hugs. As one young man said to me after I had given him a hug that I was the first man who had hugged him that didn't want sex from him.

Let the Holy Spirit do what he does best and that is convict of sin and righteousness and judgment. Contrary to popular belief, many of them know that what they are doing is wrong but they can't admit to it because it has become their identity.

Please don't get involved unless you have clear directind from the Spirit to do so. Without that it will drain you.

Sign waving will achieve very little as they don't trust you and why should they? The sign says, in their eyes that you reject them.

mjrhealth · Nov 6, 2010

Nice post marksman, but me im always falling short of the target.

In His Love

pia · Nov 6, 2010

To 'religiousnut' in particular, I would like to ask :" Which fruit of The spirit is that, that you are claiming to work under, in all this condemnation you're heaping on other peoples heads?????
Meekness?? Longsuffering??? What ???

I would really like to know..........Jesus said :" Above all, guard your heart ............" He meant for you not to allow yourself to become hard hearted..

Find His love first, then perhaps you will see a little more clearly....

Regards Pia

pia · Nov 6, 2010

If you want to be a 'Christian" , to truly be part of Christ, you must neither condemn or condone sin....Simply, you must die to it, and die to your flesh and die to the self.
That means to lay off all anger, bitterness, rivalry, gossip, etc.....and that includes this perverse pleasure people get when someone is punished for wrongdoing...that is delighting in evil..

You all need to be taught of The Holy spirit, instead of leaning to your own ( human, fleshly ) understanding, Don't become like the Pharisees..All clean on the outside, filthy on the inside.
John17:26 ( Jesus speaking )....and I have declared to them Your Name and will continue to declare it, that the love with which You loved Me, may be in them, and I in them."

So do you?????? Do you love your fellow man, the way The Father loved The Son??????

Regards Pia

religusnut · Nov 6, 2010

marksman said:
For what it is worth the scripture says to be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves From my own experience of spending two years running a support group for homosexuals exiting their way of life, there are some basics that will inform what we do.

The root cause of homosexuality is rejection either actual or perceived. Because of this the person has a defensive detachment that is a weapon they use to prevent further rejection.The outworkings of this is that they trust no one. telling them they are right, wrong or indifferent will not change anything.

What they desperately need is acceptance, the same as everyone does. If you want to change anything for the homosexual, first and foremost you have to accept them with their sin. Any judgment on your part and they will back off.

Secondly, the problem is not their homosexuality as that is only a fruit of the root. The problem is their need to be accepted and loved unconditionally.

Once they know they have this from you, they will listen to what you have to say and please don't talk about their homosexuality unless they bring it up. Talk about how much you love and care for them and how much God loves and cares for them.

They need lots of hugs. As one young man said to me after I had given him a hug that I was the first man who had hugged him that didn't want sex from him.

Let the Holy Spirit do what he does best and that is convict of sin and righteousness and judgment. Contrary to popular belief, many of them know that what they are doing is wrong but they can't admit to it because it has become their identity.

Please don't get involved unless you have clear directind from the Spirit to do so. Without that it will drain you.

Sign waving will achieve very little as they don't trust you and why should they? The sign says, in their eyes that you reject them.

I even agree with that. In fact you never see an addict, alcoholic, homosexual....... or other person with a problem that does not have a much deeper root problem. Many many addicts and alcoholics are victims of sexual abuse. also a large number of them have rejection issues.

From my understanding of this thread's beginning was the fact that the man confronting homosexual extremists in the streets and being demonized as the bad guy. Regardless of what these people tell you or the news media tells you they are not just born that way. It is sin and one of the first things that they need to understand to come out from it, is that is is wrong and not normal. Personally regardless of how delusioned they are I do not believe that they believe that it is normal either.

Even receiving rejection is sin. It is placing what another person thinks of you ahead of what God thinks of you.

Unforgiveness is sin regardless of what the person you are holding unforgiveness has done to you.

Rejection is one of the most powerful teachings that they enemy has to attack one with.

Rejection, fear, and all of these emotions cause us to have bitterness. Bitterness is a memory with pain in it. this is basically where all of our sicknesses and diseases come in as well as well has the door being opened for things like homosexuality, drug abuse, alcoholism, and a host of other things as well.

We teach and counsel people concerning these things regularly and see powerful and some times astounding results.

I personally do not have much experience dealing with people that are homosexual, but do work extensively with alcoholics and addicts.

If the enemy ever gets a person into bitterness or even worse self bitterness he has got them on the ropes many times and they are headed towards destruction.

pia said:
If you want to be a 'Christian" , to truly be part of Christ, you must neither condemn or condone sin....Simply, you must die to it, and die to your flesh and die to the self.
That means to lay off all anger, bitterness, rivalry, gossip, etc.....and that includes this perverse pleasure people get when someone is punished for wrongdoing...that is delighting in evil..

You all need to be taught of The Holy spirit, instead of leaning to your own ( human, fleshly ) understanding, Don't become like the Pharisees..All clean on the outside, filthy on the inside.
John17:26 ( Jesus speaking )....and I have declared to them Your Name and will continue to declare it, that the love with which You loved Me, may be in them, and I in them."

So do you?????? Do you love your fellow man, the way The Father loved The Son??????

Regards Pia

You will find it hard to lead another person out of sin if they do not recognize that they are in sin. The goal is to walk in as much righteousness as possible and then help them as much as possible.

Again the thread is over radical homosexual activism and them making the guy telling them it is wrong out to be the bad guy.

religusnut · Nov 6, 2010

pia said:
To 'religiousnut' in particular, I would like to ask :" Which fruit of The spirit is that, that you are claiming to work under, in all this condemnation you're heaping on other peoples heads?????
Meekness?? Longsuffering??? What ???

I would really like to know..........Jesus said :" Above all, guard your heart ............" He meant for you not to allow yourself to become hard hearted..

Find His love first, then perhaps you will see a little more clearly....

Regards Pia

If you do not confront sin you are confirming it. This whole thread is about a man that was holding up a sign at an open street homosexual rally where if most like you see on the news there is nothing but perversion taking place out in the open for everybody to see. It appears to me that you fail to see what was really taking place. It astounds me that so many on here appear to see nothing wrong with this type of behaviour and are so ready and willing to jump on the man that is taking a stand.

It appears you have now judged me. From my perspective this whole homosexual defense thing on here is totally out of perspective from what was happening in the opening thread when this man was basically attacked by one of their own basically. The devil always comes at you with the word to discredit you. If you remember in the temptations of Jesus he quoted part of Psalms 91 to Jesus.

The man holding up a sign with a scripture is no more out of order on a city street where there is a homosexual demonstration than they are for demonstrating and the good fellow that comes up and tries to discredit him by using the scriptures on love is as more out of order than anybody. This is the reason that this sort of mess exists so openly today is because of those that profess to be Christians refuse to take a stand for anything. Sin is sin and if you do not stand against it you will be over come by it.

Homosexuality is not normal. Your and my children and grandchildren having it pumped at them by the Church, liberal TV and the liberal education system is still not going to make it right.

pia said:
If you want to be a 'Christian" , to truly be part of Christ, you must neither condemn or condone sin....Simply, you must die to it, and die to your flesh and die to the self.
That means to lay off all anger, bitterness, rivalry, gossip, etc.....and that includes this perverse pleasure people get when someone is punished for wrongdoing...that is delighting in evil..

You all need to be taught of The Holy spirit, instead of leaning to your own ( human, fleshly ) understanding, Don't become like the Pharisees..All clean on the outside, filthy on the inside.
John17:26 ( Jesus speaking )....and I have declared to them Your Name and will continue to declare it, that the love with which You loved Me, may be in them, and I in them."

So do you?????? Do you love your fellow man, the way The Father loved The Son??????

Regards Pia

Yep I bet you in a lot of people to Christ by keeping your mouth shut. We now have Churches full of people that are afraid to call sin what it is. We not have preachers that are homosexuals, and whore mongers and the people are still following them because nobody has the guts to call sin for what it is.

Foreigner · Nov 6, 2010

mjrhealth said:
Preaching the gospel never included pointing fingers at people and calling them sinners, that is the pot calling the kettle black. Jesus never did, when did we become more rightous then Him..

In His LOve

-- Are you serious? First off, Jesus never spoke from the point of being a sinner. He was perfect.
But Jesus often told those he spoke with, "Go, and sin no more."

religusnut · Nov 6, 2010

Foreigner said:
-- Are you serious? First off, Jesus never spoke from the point of being a sinner. He was perfect.
But Jesus often told those he spoke with, "Go, and sin no more."

Thank you.

If you don't show them sin then they don't see an need for a Saviour.

No wonder the Churches are in such a mess today.

The Churches are preaching/ teaching all of this mess and wondering why they are not seeing people's lives changed.

The truth is what sets you free not somebody pandering to your sin to keep you comfortable.

pia said:
To 'religiousnut' in particular, I would like to ask :" Which fruit of The spirit is that, that you are claiming to work under, in all this condemnation you're heaping on other peoples heads?????
Meekness?? Longsuffering??? What ???

I would really like to know..........Jesus said :" Above all, guard your heart ............" He meant for you not to allow yourself to become hard hearted..

Find His love first, then perhaps you will see a little more clearly....

Regards Pia

I see what you mean. No wonder we as the Church have gotten so far off track.

Shucks we had people like the Wesley brothers in the 1700's and of course all of the other preachers all down through the generations that have seen millions of lives changed or at least we thought that they had. Truth is they were all not Christians and therefore all of those people that had their lives changed for almost three centuries really did not have their lives changed because these men that preached pointed out what sin was and were not really Christians.

I think I see a pattern here. NOT

You love them enough to lie to them and see them burn in an eternal fire.

I love them like the man in the video said to wake them up from sleep and see them saved.

Loving somebody is not always agreeing with them. Loving them enough to go out and tell them the truth is some times harder.
This man doing this video wanted to point out the hatred in this man with the sign. He never once stopped to think about him taking time out of his life to warn them.

This is only one more case of liberalism calling good evil and evil good and making the ignorant Church swallowing it.

Foreigner · Nov 8, 2010

pia said:
If you want to be a 'Christian" , to truly be part of Christ, you must neither condemn or condone sin....Simply, you must die to it, and die to your flesh and die to the self.
That means to lay off all anger, bitterness, rivalry, gossip, etc.....and that includes this perverse pleasure people get when someone is punished for wrongdoing...that is delighting in evil..

You all need to be taught of The Holy spirit, instead of leaning to your own ( human, fleshly ) understanding, Don't become like the Pharisees..All clean on the outside, filthy on the inside.
John17:26 ( Jesus speaking )....and I have declared to them Your Name and will continue to declare it, that the love with which You loved Me, may be in them, and I in them."

So do you?????? Do you love your fellow man, the way The Father loved The Son??????

Regards Pia

-- Did I read this correctly? ----> "If you want to be a 'Christian" , to truly be part of Christ, you must neither condemn or condone sin...." - Pia

You do realize Jesus repeatedly told sinners, "Go and sin no more" don't you?

How exactly are sinners going to realize they need to repent from sin if no one is pointing out that it actually is a sin?

How exactly are you going to get sinners to sincerely follow Jesus if you don't point out that to truly connect with Jesus must repent and reject the sin in your life?

The best possible way to show love of a sinner is to point out that Jesus loves them enough to die for them and that His death will keep them from hell only if they turn away from their sin.

Just what exactly do you see a Christian's role to be here on earth? Stay out of the way and hope they learn the truth somewhere?

And if you pray for someone's salvation do you not realize that normally causes Jesus someone to intersect with that person to witness to them and show them the truth, and many times Jesus calls the person who is actually doing the praying?

Being a Christian means more than giving God Sundays and Wednesday nights and then watching Oprah while waiting for Him to return.

aspen · Nov 8, 2010

There is a difference between telling people to 'sin no more' and condemning their personal sin by name. Jesus, Paul and the disciples condemned sin in general - Jesus only mentioned personal sins by name when He wanted to let people know that He was God and actually knew what the sins were (women at the well). We are supposed to let people know that sin is something we need to repent of and then let the Holy Spirit convict their hearts of the specific sin. Focusing on the sin instead of sharing the Good News of Jesus is not what witnessing is all about. In fact, pointing out specific personal sin is actually contrary to the gospel - it promotes pride on the part of the person who is witnessing and shame on the part of the person being witnessed to.

The feeling of guilt is a good emotion because it convicts the heart of the person who is feeling it and promotes repentance. Shame is not good - it is felt when a person has already repented - it lingers and bring people down. Guilt is feeling bad about bad behavior - shame is feeling bad about yourself, despite behavior.

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