rejecting Jesus Christ is different from the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

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There is no one who will be raised during the 1,000 yr. reign (do you have scripture for your idea to the contrary?).

All and only those raised or born again "shall reign with Christ [over sin and death] on THRONES THIS THE THOUSAND YEARS THE FIRST RESURRECTION".
Revelation is a Book of symbolism, but movements with their own agenda decide "the thousand years" IS - note, Singular - not symbolic. DUH
If you have 1000 solar earth years you must have no earth space for all the thrones.
 

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No one will be without sin until they receive their glorified bodies upon entrance into the kingdom of heaven.

"...we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us..." if we say no one will be without sin until entrance into the kingdom of heaven. The Kingdom of God is with us through Jesus Christ and we are in the Kingdom of God if we are in Christ.

And we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us if we say anyone will enter into heaven. God's Kingdom of Heaven is upon the earth.
 

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In Matt. 12:31, Jesus tells us of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

If you back up to vs. 24, you will see why.

"But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."

Christ was casting out devils by the power of the Holy Spirit, the Pharisees accused Him of doing by the power of Satan.

That is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit!

There is another example in Hebrews where the Jews who had accepted Christ, were now turning back to temple worship, Judaism.

They had the indwelling Holy Spirit but rejected Christ when turning back to temple worship, this is also blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

It is quite true that the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is defined as attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to the devil or His demons.

"...we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us..." if we say no one will be without sin until entrance into the kingdom of heaven.

If we say that we have no sin before we receive our glorified bodies, "...we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us..." (1 John 1:8).
 

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In Matt. 12:31, Jesus tells us of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
If you back up to vs. 24, you will see why.
"But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."
Christ was casting out devils by the power of the Holy Spirit, the Pharisees accused Him of doing by the power of Satan.
That is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit!
There is another example in Hebrews where the Jews who had accepted Christ, were now turning back to temple worship, Judaism.
They had the indwelling Holy Spirit but rejected Christ when turning back to temple worship, this is also blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

You have to go back to 14 further. There, the real issue from which the whole conflict started, is spelled out. It was THE SCRIPTURES, "THAT IT MIGHT BE FULFILLED which was spoken (written) by the prophet Esaias, saying, BEHOLD MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN...."

But because the Pharisees rejected Jesus and DENIED HIM IN THAT SCRIPTURE, they resorted to the worst kind of insult they were capable of, and used those horrible and blasphemous "WORDS AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST" TO SHOW THEIR UNBELIEF in God's WORD the Holy Scriptures breathed by His Holy Spirit.

I know, because I know first-hand.

God be merciful to me
 
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It is quite true that the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is defined as attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to the devil or His demons.

Yes, it is. It is the water of bitterness overflowing from the fountain if Marah. "And the people murmured against Moses, saying, what shall we drink? And Moses cried unto THE LORD. And the LORD showed him A TREE which he cast into the waters of bitterness, and the waters were made sweet." And read the rest. "Hearken to the Voice of the LORD thy GOD...."

Do you see Jesus on that tree? Then you must see the Voice of the Lord in that Scripture.

The Pharisees knew the Scriptures. But they knew it second-hand. They held themselves blind. They saw Christ, but they rejected the Spirit in the Scriptures WITNESSING AND TESTIFYING OF HIM; and testified and witnessed of the SPIRIT OF THE CHIEF DEMON IN THEM.
 
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Colossians 2:14-16 - The Law That Was Against Us

rejecting Jesus Christ is different from the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE,
To "speak words against the Holy Spirit", is / means to argue against the "WITNESS" of the Holy Spirit while the only witness of the Holy Spirit is to witness of the Christ of God, the Lord Jesus the ONLY SAVIOUR OF HIS PEOPLE.
In other words, the sin against the Holy Spirit the sin which will never be forgiven the committer, is his LOOKING FOR ANOTHER SAVIOUR THAN JESUS CHRIST.

This, the unforgivable sin, in essence is the sinner's UNREPENTABLE ARROGANCE AND PRIDE and unpreparedness to recognise and admit and confess and LET GO of his sin -- ANY sin of his against God that he sinned against NO OTHER THAN GOD : God the Father AND the Son AND the Holy Spirit.
When one rejects the gospel about Jesus Christ or rejects Jesus to be the Christ, that is not speaking against the Holy Spirit. To reject Jesus Christ may be a sin against the Son of Man, and is not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There is blasphemy against the Son of Man and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And Jesus made that clear.

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There is blasphemy against the Son of Man and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And Jesus made that clear.

Absolutely! That is exactly what I am saying: exactly and COMPLETELY what Jesus said of the Holy Spirit of God Testifying and Witnessing OF HIM IN SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE THROUGH SCRIPTURE, DENIED by the hypocrites. But what YOU don't admit or say, conspicuously not. Why not? So that you actually can tell me, exactly what the Pharisees told and accused Jesus of, of doing?
 
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When one rejects the gospel about Jesus Christ or rejects Jesus to be the Christ, that is not speaking against the Holy Spirit. To reject Jesus Christ may be a sin against the Son of Man, and is not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There is blasphemy against the Son of Man and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And Jesus made that clear.

I am saying, I confess, yea, may it be my believer's testimony to the truth of true Christian Faith :

There is no sin such as is unforgiveable for Jesus Christ to forgive.
There is no God in True or false Christianity that is worshipped or blasphemed as the Holy Spirit while being a or The Spirit only,

For there is no God who is God the Spirit who is not the Spirit of GOD the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
There is no God in True Christianity that is worshipped or blasphemed as the Holy Spirit being Spirit only,

and there is no sin the believer or unbeliever may or can or will or indeed do commit, which is sin against the Holy Ghost but not sin against the Son also or not sin against the Father also.
 
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Those who are resurrected at the beginning of the 1,000 yr. reign of Christ will not be hurt of the second death.

Those who are raised at the end of the 1,000 yr. reign will be.

There is no one who will be raised during the 1,000 yr. reign (do you have scripture for your idea to the contrary?).

No one will be without sin until they receive their glorified bodies upon entrance into the kingdom of heaven (1 John 1:8).

The Bible shows that Christ will not be alone to judge “the living and the dead.” Describing an inspired vision, the apostle John wrote: “And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast [Satan’s political organization] nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.”—Revelation 20:4, 6.

Among the first of these future kings and judges who died as faithful witnesses of Jesus and his Father, Jehovah, were the 11 loyal apostles. At Luke 22:28-30, Jesus describes these as sitting on thrones with him in his kingdom, “to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.

These give up the normal and natural hope of living forever on earth in order to “be united with him [Christ] in the likeness of his resurrection.” (Romans 6:5) Of such ones, Paul also wrote: “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption. . . . It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. . . . Flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom . . . This which is mortal must put on immortality.”—1 Corinthians 15:42-53.

It is only after the resurrection transformation that believers ‘put on’ the garment of immortality. . . . there can be no immortality without prior resurrection.” Actually, the prize of immortality is granted, not to all Christians, but to those only who share in “the earlier resurrection from the dead.” For these, “an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading . . . inheritance is reserved in the heavens.” Romans 8:20-22; Philippians 3:10, 11; 1 Peter 1:3, 4.

The Scriptures link this “first resurrection” with Christ’s “presence or second coming.” (1 Corinthians 15:23) The apostle Paul writes: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ [starting from the first century and up to Christ’s coming to the spiritual temple in 1918] will rise first.” Paul then goes on to say that the anointed Christians “who survive to the presence [parousia] of the Lord,” and who therefore die during his presence, will be immediately resurrected and “caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air.” (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17) They do not have to “sleep” in the grave, awaiting the resurrection. At death they are “changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.”—1 Corinthians 15:51, 52,

The resurrection of anointed Christians called to reign with Christ in heaven is appropriately called the “first resurrection.” This is so because it precedes in time the resurrection to life on earth of mankind in general. Those of the first resurrection are “firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.” (Revelation 14:1, 4; James 1:18) This puts them in a position of importance, since no other humans can “be made perfect apart from” these of the first resurrection who are made priests, kings and judges. (Hebrews 11:40b; Revelation 22:1, 2) Furthermore, it is superior to any earthly resurrection, those of the first resurrection being raised “in the likeness of his Christ’s resurrection” to incorruptible, immortal life as spirit sons of God.—Romans 6:5

If there is a “first resurrection,” there must logically be a later resurrection. Describing what will occur during the millennial judgment day mentioned earlier in the same chapter, the apostle John wrote:

“And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.”—Revelation 20:12.

These “dead” are the same as “the rest of the dead” mentioned in Re 20:5 of the same chapter, and of whom it is stated that they “did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.” This cannot mean that they are not resurrected until after the millennial judgment day, because those who share in the “first resurrection” are given “power of judging” and will be “priests” and “rule as kings” with Christ “for the thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4-6) Whom will they judge and rule over as kings, and on behalf of whom will they act as priests, if “the rest of the dead” are not resurrected until the end of the millennium?

So the expression “come to life” must refer to the situation at the end of the 1,000-year-long Judgment Day. It means that these persons “come to life” in that they finally attain human perfection. They will be in the same perfect condition as were Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. How will Jehovah then determine whose names are to be written in “the scroll of life,” or “book of life”? It will be by means of a final test upon humankind. (Revelation 20:7-10, 12, 15) Those who prove faithful to God through the final test will be ‘declared righteous’ by Jehovah himself and enter into “the glorious freedom of the children of God” on earth. (Romans 8:21, 33) They will receive the divine guarantee of life everlasting, unlike Adam, who failed under test and so was debarred from access to the “tree of life” by God-sent cherubs.—Genesis 2:9; 3:22-24.
 

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Whom will they judge and rule over as kings, and on behalf of whom will they act as priests, if “the rest of the dead” are not resurrected until the end of the millennium?

Those who survived the Great Tribulation period along with their children.
 

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Flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom . . . This which is mortal must put on immortality.”—1 Corinthians 15:42-53.

Just about everything you say is twisted 'truth', i.o.w., deliberated lying. For example this clear, direct contradiction. And you think nobody will see it while nobody can help to see it.
 

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It is quite true that the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is defined as attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to the devil or His demons.

True. No buts. It is blasphemers' attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to the devil or his demons. Blasphemers also attribute what is of the devil or his demons, to the Holy Spirit and or Christ.
 
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True. No buts. It is blasphemers' attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to the devil or His demons. Blasphemers also attribute what is of the devil or His demons, to the Holy Spirit and or Christ.

It makes for fearful treading.

Ecc 5:2, Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
 

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There is blasphemy against the Son of Man and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And Jesus made that clear.
Absolutely! That is exactly what I am saying: exactly and COMPLETELY what Jesus said of the Holy Spirit of God Testifying and Witnessing OF HIM IN SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE THROUGH SCRIPTURE, DENIED by the hypocrites. But what YOU don't admit or say, conspicuously not. Why not? So that you actually can tell me, exactly what the Pharisees told and accused Jesus of, of doing?
The point remains, there is distinction between rejecting that Jesus is the Christ and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

One who does not believe scriptures does not commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

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When one rejects the gospel about Jesus Christ or rejects Jesus to be the Christ, that is not speaking against the Holy Spirit. To reject Jesus Christ may be a sin against the Son of Man, and is not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There is blasphemy against the Son of Man and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And Jesus made that clear.
I am saying, I confess, yea, may it be my believer's testimony to the truth of true Christian Faith :

There is no sin such as is unforgiveable for Jesus Christ to forgive.
There is no God in True or false Christianity that is worshipped or blasphemed as the Holy Spirit while being a or The Spirit only,

For there is no God who is God the Spirit who is not the Spirit of GOD the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
There is no God in True Christianity that is worshipped or blasphemed as the Holy Spirit being Spirit only,

and there is no sin the believer or unbeliever may or can or will or indeed do commit, which is sin against the Holy Ghost but not sin against the Son also or not sin against the Father also.
Then what Jesus said becomes senseless and meaningless.

Matthew 12:31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

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Those who survived the Great Tribulation period along with their children.

The first of humanity to be resurrected are of the heavenly resurrection of Christ’s joint heirs, and begins after Jesus Christ returns in heavenly glory, to give first attention to his spiritual brothers. Christ himself is called “the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death.” Paul then says that each one will be resurrected in his own rank, “Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.” (1Co 15:20, 23) These, as “the house of God,” have been under judgment during their Christian life course, beginning with the first of their number at Pentecost. (1Pe 4:17) They are “certain [literally, some] firstfruits.” (Jas 1:18; Re 14:4) Jesus Christ can be compared to the barley firstfruits offered by the Israelites on Nisan 16 (“Christ the firstfruits”), and his spiritual brothers as “firstfruits” (“certain firstfruits”) can be compared to the wheat firstfruits offered on Pentecost day, the 50th day from Nisan 16.—Le 23:4-12, 15-20.

These have been under judgment, so at Christ’s return it is time to give the reward to them, his faithful anointed ones, just as he promised his 11 faithful apostles on the evening before his death: “I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, . . . I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be.”—Joh 14:2, 3; Lu 19:12-23; compare 2Ti 4:1, 8; Re 11:17, 18.

Revelation 20:5, 6 refers to the resurrection of those who will reign with Christ as “the first resurrection.” The apostle Paul speaks of this first resurrection also as “the earlier resurrection from the dead [literally, the out-resurrection the out of dead (ones)].” (Php 3:11) On the expression Paul uses here, Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament (1931, Vol. IV, p. 454) says: “Apparently Paul is thinking here only of the resurrection of believers out from the dead and so double ex [out] (ten exanastasin ten ek nekron). Paul is not denying a general resurrection by this language, but emphasizing that of believers.” Charles Ellicott’s Commentaries (1865, Vol. II, p. 87) remarks on Philippians 3:11: “‘The resurrection from the dead;’ i.e., as the context suggests, the first resurrection (Rev. xx. 5), when, at the Lord’s coming the dead in Him shall rise first (1 Thessalon. iv. 16), and the quick be caught up to meet Him in the clouds (1 Thess. iv. 17); compare Luke xx. 35.
Rotherham’s translation of Philippians 3:11 reads: “If by any means I may advance to the earlier resurrection which is from among the dead.”
So the scriptures show us that this first resurrection who will be the ones resurrected to heaven and reign as kings, judges with Jesus over humanity. Then we have those who will survive Armageddon and pass into the new earth without dying but there will also be those resurrected on the new earth.
The Bible calls faithful men of old such as Abraham righteous. (Ge 15:6; Jas 2:21) Many of these men are listed at Hebrews chapter 11, and of them the writer says: “And yet all these, although they had witness borne to them through their faith, did not get the fulfillment of the promise, as God foresaw something better for us [spirit-begotten, anointed Christians like Paul], in order that they might not be made perfect apart from us.” (Heb 11:39, 40) So, the perfecting of them will take place after that of the ones having part in “the first resurrection.”

Then there is the “great crowd” described in Revelation chapter 7, who are not members of the 144,000 “sealed” ones, and who consequently do not have “the token” of the spirit as being spirit-begotten. (Eph 1:13, 14; 2Co 5:5) They are described as coming “out of the great tribulation” as survivors of it; this would seem to locate the gathering of this group in the last days shortly before that tribulation. These are righteous through faith, being clothed in white robes washed in the blood of the Lamb. (Re 7:1, 9-17) As a class, they will not need to be resurrected, but faithful ones of that group who die before the great tribulation will be resurrected in God’s due time.

Also, there are many “unrighteous” persons buried in Sheol (Hades), mankind’s common grave, or in “the sea,” watery graves. The judgment of these along with “the righteous” resurrected on earth is described in Revelation 20:12, 13: “And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Hades gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds.”
This judgment is placed in the Bible in the account of events occurring during Christ’s Thousand Year Reign with his associate kings and priests. These, the apostle Paul said, “will judge the world.” (1Co 6:2) “The great and the small,” persons from all walks of life, will be there, to be judged impartially. They are “judged out of those things written in the scrolls” that will be opened then. This could not mean the record of their past lives nor a set of rules that judges them on the basis of their past lives. For since “the wages sin pays is death,” these by their death have received the wages of their sin in the past. (Ro 6:7, 23) Now they are resurrected that they might demonstrate their attitude toward God and whether they wish to take hold of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ that was given for all. (Mt 20:28; Joh 3:16)
 

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TMI BARNEY...

I'm sorry to tell you that I did not read your post.

For I consider end times events to be a peripheral issue that I would rather not argue over.
 

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It makes for fearful treading.

Ecc 5:2, Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
...and fearful for judging. At least three times now ... and from a SDA of course!

Man!!!! Lord help me hold my horses....