So what's so new about the new Covenant, and is it better, really?

Tong2020 said:

If there is a law that would be for my atonement, it is the law of Christ, not the law of Moses.

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Eternally Grateful said:

So what part of the schoolmaster do you need?

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Eternally Grateful said:

While we can learn by studying it.

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Tong2020 said:

<<<the law of Christ is more burdensome and the only reason why His yoke is easy and His burden is light is because we have the Holy Spirit>>>

The law of Christ more burdensome? Is that how you view the law of Christ? That would make Jesus to have not told the truth when He said His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

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Tong2020 said:

Only the Jews or those of the circumcision were under the schoolmaster. The rest were not. Any Jew or those of the circumcision, when they are converted and are led to Christ, to faith in Him, are no longer under the schoolmaster.

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Eternally Grateful said:

Following it in any way would take it out of context.

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justbyfaith said:

You are under the law of Moses to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21).

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justbyfaith said:

If we are no longer under the schoolmaster, it is because we have been fully trained by him.

That means that all the lessons that we learned from the law will be retained by us when we begin to walk in freedom from the law and its condemnation; and that includes the lessons of obeying the commandments; which we will perform automatically as the result of having been fully trained by the law.

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Eternally Grateful said:

the sermon on the mount proves how weak the law is.

As it proves one can follow the letter of the law. Yet still be guilty of the law, and be like the pharisees thinking they were ok because they never broke the law. (and many people today who also think they are sinless because they too do not break the law)

Thats why it is insufficient as a means of sanctification.

It was not created for that purpose.

Paul gave us the purpose of the law. and why it was given.

Gal 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.?.....22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

We should take paul at his word. A law made to do this, Can not do more. it can only do what it was designed to do.

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justbyfaith said:

You have never made good on your promise...but thank you for providing a sounding board by which I can get out the true gospel of Jesus Christ...

Ezekiel preached that we must repent of sins to be saved.

Eze 33:11, Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 33:12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14, Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Eze 33:15, If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 33:16, None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Eze 33:17, Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
Eze 33:18, When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19, But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
Eze 33:20, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

What I have highlighted above in blue shows forth the concept that repentance means to turn away from wickedness and do that which is lawful and right; to turn from sin.

But I know that you have escaped from having to pay up on your challenge on a technicality; because while, in essence, the meaning that we must repent of sin in order to be saved is there, the actual words that you have stated are not found in the passage.

And therefore your argument is the same as that of those who claim that the Trinity is not in the Bible because the word "Trinity" is not found therein. Those of us who know and understand that the Trinity is sound doctrine would say to that that the concept of the Trinity is found therein and the fact that the actual word is not present in holy scripture means nothing.

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Ferris Bueller said:

Call it what you want, it's still the law of Moses.....

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” a you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. James 2:8-9
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The important thing is that you are upholding the law by your faith, whatever name you want to refer to that law as.

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Cooper said:

No. We are under the law of Christ.
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Cooper said:

That is incorrect.

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Ferris Bueller said:

Now you are correct in that the law of Moses is not for your atonement. And yet God in his wisdom made it so the new way of Christ for atonement fulfills the law of Moses, not destroys and breaks it. God looks at your legal record and sees the lawful requirement for circumcision, and Sabbath keeping, and Passover observance, etc. as fulfilled to his complete and total satisfaction. Instead of the box next to those observances marked 'n/a' (non applicable) he has checked them off, marking them as 'fulfilled'.

See in your understanding, you have faith destroying the law, not fulfilling it. Your understanding has Christ coming to break and destroy the law and cast it away, not coming to fulfill it.

17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets... Matthew 5:17​

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Tong2020 said:

You seem to missed something there.

Eze 33:15, If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Tong
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Ferris Bueller said:

I guess James did not get that memo. The letter James wrote is all about following the law. The law of widows and orphans, the law about favoritism....

21 ...humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.
22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. James 1:21-22

27Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress (Deuteronomy 10:18)... James 1:27

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” a you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers (Leviticus 19:15). 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” b also said, “You shall not murder.” c If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. James 2:8-13
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Clearly the context here is that of the law of Moses. Your teaching is the one that removes it from the context James uses it in.

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justbyfaith said:

The law of Christ is to bear one another's burdens. That is not something that we are under; that is something that we do because the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Ghost who has been given to us.

Nope.

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justbyfaith said:

The law of Christ is to bear one another's burdens. That is not something that we are under; that is something that we do because the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Ghost who has been given to us.
Nope.

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justbyfaith said:

You are under the law of Moses to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21).

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Cooper said:

Jesus did not say that in respect to the law.

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Cooper said:

What you quote is contained in the law of love, not the Mitzvot Laws that demand execution.

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Cooper said:

You think stoning women is loving you neighbour!​

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