So what's so new about the new Covenant, and is it better, really?

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I feel=and feel it is similar to the colour of our eyes, it is how we are born, and there is nothing can be done about it.
Another lie that's been weaseling itself into the Christian church.

A lie is an untruthful assertion. The speaker intends to cause belief in the truth of a statement that the speaker believes to be false. Hence, a lie involves an intention to deceive. The speaker also implicitly assures or promises the hearer that the statement that is made is true.
 
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The mitzvot laws were codified by Mohamidis (spelling) and the books of Moses were written by four people from across the nation and codified by a fifth person long after Moses died.
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When I Google 'mitzvot' I get that it is the 613 laws of the law of Moses.
 

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I now have something so much better than an External Law to guide me.....I now have an Internal Guide, the Holy Spirit Of God...
If that is really true then the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in you as you walk according to the Spirit rather than the flesh (Romans 8:4).
 
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I am a Christian, and in the new covenant with God. I am not under the old covenant and old covenant laws. I am under the law of Christ, not the law of Moses. If there is a law that governs over me, it is the law of Christ, not the law of Moses. If there is a law that I would be violating, it is the law of Christ, not the Law of Moses. If there is a law that convicts me of sin, it is the law of Christ, not the law of Moses.If there is a law that I would be judged by, it is the Law of Christ, not the law of Moses. If there is a law that I shall walk according to, it is the Law of Christ, not the law of Moses.
Call it what you want, it's still the law of Moses.....

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” a you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. James 2:8-9
The important thing is that you are upholding the law by your faith, whatever name you want to refer to that law as.

<<<Call it what you want, it's still the law of Moses.....>>>

Call what FerrisB?

If for you the Law of Christ is still the law of Moses, then I am sorry to say that you are mistaken. If that is the case, then you are still not seeing and living the reality, but still looking and living in the shadow. I am so sorry to learn that.

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I'll answer the last question first. Is the new Covenant better than the old? Absolutely. And here's why.
Covenants and testaments are based on promises and agreements between two or more parties, and the covenant is predicated on the faithfulness and relational integrity of each party. Should one party to the covenant fail his/her responsibilities, the covenant is broken, and the aggrieved party within his/her rights to annul the agreement. This is common law.
Our Creator God is a God of infinite, unfailing, unwavering, uncompromising love. It always has been and always will be that He would have His erring sinful proud and unbelieving creatures to know this love, and therefore, to know Him.

KJV Ephesians 3
Paul’s Prayer
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.


It has always been His heartfelt yearning that God and man should be on the most intimate of terms and that both may know the joy and peace that would come from a loving relationship with one another.

KJV Exodus 25
8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.


The entire Government of God, the Kingdom of Heaven, and the laws by which it is governed, is built upon this love. And everything God purposes to do, promises, accomplishes, says and does, has as its motivating principle God’s perfect love.

KJV Deuteronomy 7
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;


See also Isa. 63:7-9; 1 John 4:7-21; 1 John 5:1-4)

That is why, when Adam sinned, God still sought him out. (Gen. 3:9) Love was the motivating factor behind God’s promise (Genesis 3:15; Nahum 1:9) that the damage to the relationship caused by sin (Isa 59:2) would ultimately be undone ; that the power of Satan over our lives (John 8:34; Romans 6:16,20; 2 Peter 2:19) would be reversed and the power of death(Ezek. 18:4,20; Romans 5:12; Romans 6:23) would be overcome . How was God to accomplish all this while at the same time honoring justice, love and mercy? Through Jesus Christ.

The plan of redemption was not an afterthought, an emergency crisis plan developed after the fall of Adam. It was a “revelation of the mystery kept secret through times eternal” (Romans 16:25 RV) and the book of Revelation says…
KJV Revelation 13
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

And also....
KJV 1 Peter 1
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you…



Foreseeing the apostasy of Satan and his deception of Adam and Eve causing their fall, God had already prepared to meet the crisis. So great was His love for man that He covenanted to give “His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

This covenant was to be shown in types and symbols. The entire law, moral, ritual, civil, and even health, were a “lesson book” for the people of Israel (Gal. 3:24,25) and beginning from the very first sacrifice slain by God Himself to clothe Adam and Eve (Gen 3:21) the people of God, in the form of our ancient fathers, and later Israel were to learn (or should have learned) three vital lessons.
1. That sin results in death. (Genesis 2:19; 3:19; Ezekiel 18:20; 1 Cor. 6:9,10; Romans 5:12; Romans 6:23; James 1:15; ) for remission is only possible through the shedding of blood (Hebrews 9:22)
2. That the constant shedding of innocent blood was to teach man an abhorrence and hatred for sin and thus encourage the people to repent and turn away from not just sin, (Isa 1:11-20; Ezek. 18:21-23) but the incessant sacrifices that were necessitated because of sin. God had no pleasure in the rivers of blood that flowed from the altars in the temple every Passover when the whole nation gathered together in Jerusalem.
3. The symbols, sacrifices, and services of the sanctuary were a prophetic picture of a coming savior; they were a depiction of the gospel of grace. (Gen. 22:8; Isa 53:6,7)

And how were these promises, this covenant, to be appropriated by the individual personally? By faith. (Hebrews 11:6) Was Israel at any time justified or saved by works of the law? No. Not at all. A big error Israel did make however was to attempt to do just that. Making a promise that was…
a. Impossible, and
b. not required of them…
KJV Exodus 19
8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD….


They began to rely on their obedience and in their participation in these services and sacrifices etc rather than in the grace and mercy of God. (Rom. 10:3-9;). This is what the apostle Paul’s letter to the Galatians was all about.

What then, does all this mean for us living as we know in the “New Testament” times? What is this New Testament, or covenant? God’s love has not changed (Hebrews 13:8; James 1:17), nor His purpose in undoing all the works of Satan. (1 John 3:8) Therefore the new covenant must involve a new method by which He is to be able to fulfil His promises. Why? Because the old covenant was based on faulty promises. Were God’s promises faulty? Surely not, no, but rather the peoples promises. (Heb. 8:6,7) The people had misjudged the part they were to play in the covenant. In Exod. 19:5,6 God promised (again) that He would make of them a mighty nation and a holy people, and their response was in the form of a faulty promise. They answered, “all that the Lord hath spoken we will do”. (Exod. 19:8) Unfortunately they had little idea of what they promised. God said that He would perform and establish His covenant; rather than thanking Him and surrendering themselves in faith and acceptance to His promise, they said they would perform His promise. Just like Abram and Sarai when introducing Hagar into the transaction between God and Abram. In a sense they were introducing a mediator, much as has Rome done which is the spirit of Antichrist. This was not Abraham’s covenant to alter or amend. This was God’s covenant, and like all covenants or testaments, once blood is spilt that testament can never be changed. History reveals of course the abject failure of Israel’s promise, failure to such an extent that Israel didn’t even recognize the very God of the covenant when He visited…we are all well aware of what they did to their own Messiah.

Therefore God had to make a new covenant with the house of Israel, based on better promises (Heb. 8:9,10) Today, God’s promises remain. He still would bring us power and victory over Satan and sin, but the method by which He would accomplish this has changed. The just however must still live by faith.

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To keep it simple...the new covenant is not to the church, but to future national Israel that Jesus Christ will come back and save per Jer 31 and Zech 14 etc..

We are just hitchin' a ride on it, in a dark glass, partial way.

You aint seen nothin' yet.
 

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If there is a law that would be for my atonement, it is the law of Christ, not the law of Moses.
Now you are correct in that the law of Moses is not for your atonement. And yet God in his wisdom made it so the new way of Christ for atonement fulfills the law of Moses, not destroys and breaks it. God looks at your legal record and sees the lawful requirement for circumcision, and Sabbath keeping, and Passover observance, etc. as fulfilled to his complete and total satisfaction. Instead of the box next to those observances marked 'n/a' (non applicable) he has checked them off, marking them as 'fulfilled'.

See in your understanding, you have faith destroying the law, not fulfilling it. Your understanding has Christ coming to break and destroy the law and cast it away, not coming to fulfill it.

17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets... Matthew 5:17​

<<<See in your understanding, you have faith destroying the law, not fulfilling it. Your understanding has Christ coming to break and destroy the law and cast it away, not coming to fulfill it.>>>

Faith destroying the law? What do you have there FerrisB, a strawman, a misrepresentation, a misreading, or what?

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<<<See in your understanding, you have faith destroying the law, not fulfilling it. Your understanding has Christ coming to break and destroy the law and cast it away, not coming to fulfill it.>>>

Faith destroying the law? What do you have there FerrisB, a strawman, a misrepresentation, a misreading, or what?

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The Law is our judge. It is not our friend. It will condemn us, because it is still very much active and judging mankind today.

We must walk in the Spirit to be free from it's terrible consequences.
 

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<<<Call it what you want, it's still the law of Moses.....>>>

Call what FerrisB?

If for you the Law of Christ is still the law of Moses, then I am sorry to say that you are mistaken. If that is the case, then you are still not seeing and living the reality, but still looking and living in the shadow. I am so sorry to learn that.
What is 'love your neighbor as yourself' a shadow of? What is 'do not steal' a shadow of?
 

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Tong2020 said:
<<<the law of Christ is more burdensome and the only reason why His yoke is easy and His burden is light is because we have the Holy Spirit>>>

The law of Christ more burdensome? Is that how you view the law of Christ? That would make Jesus to have not told the truth when He said His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

And apparently that was hard for you, without the addition “the only reason why His yoke is easy and His burden is light is because we have the Holy Spirit”.

Well, it only shows that we have a different take, as to what is the law of Christ. I take it and preach about it just as Jesus said, is easy and light, and on the other hand you take it and preach it to be burdensome, even more burdensome than the Law of Moses of the old covenant.

Tong2020 said:
Only the Jews or those of the circumcision were under the schoolmaster. The rest were not. Any Jew or those of the circumcision, when they are converted and are led to Christ, to faith in Him, are no longer under the schoolmaster.
See Romans 3:19-20.

The law applies to both Jew and Gentile because it applies to all the world and defines them as guilty before a holy God.

The Law of Moses was given to the children of Israel, them called the circumcision. It was not given to them called the uncircumcision. If you acknowledge the two groups, then perhaps you will realize and see things differently, able to make sense with the following scriptures and understand it.

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law

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I feel sorry for homosexuals and feel it is similar to the colour of our eyes, it is how we are born, and there is nothing can be done about it. As the law says, we need to show love not hatred. Practise what you preach and do what Jesus would have done.
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I'd say most homosexuals were made that way by having participated in that activity and becoming enslaved by it. But I'm sure there are a few who have hormonal imbalances that cause them to desire the same sex. But either way, they are to put those desires to death by the Holy Spirit just like any other unholy desire.
 
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“Jesus Christ is the END OF THE LAW for all that Believe”—— have fun with your completely irrelevant arguments..
The end of the law for the believer does not mean the end of 'love your neighbor as yourself', or the end of 'do not murder', or the end of 'do not steal'. It is the end of the law as far as the condemnation of the law, and the law making you sin, and the end of the need to observe the ceremonial cycle.
 

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You seem to missed something there.

Eze 33:15, If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
And it is also written,

Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
So what?

You still missed something that Ezekiel 33:15 is saying.

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“Love God and live as you please.....”
You don't understand that to love God is to NOT live as you please, but instead to restrain your harmful and thoughtless and selfish behavior in the interest of the safety and wellbeing of the people around you. I know, the church does not teach this. I know why you do not know this.
 

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Actually, Jesus is the God who created those laws in the first place.
And they were given as a codified body of laws known as the Law of Moses, to the children of Israel and those within their gates, that would govern their life, until the Christ.

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If for you the Law of Christ is still the law of Moses
The law of Christ is what's left after you lay aside the observances that you don't have to keep anymore. See, Christ never needed those Mosaic observances. And so the law of Christ that we keep does not include the laws for atonement. In Christ we don't need them either.
 

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Jesus did not write the Mitzvot Laws it was the Levite Priests. Moses was a Levite, and so they became known as the Mosaic laws.

Jesus taught the opposite, that is why they conspired to have him crucified.

Lovely kind people they were. You should know by now who their god is. Read John 8:44 and make sure you do not promote their lifestyle, which is what you do when you push their law.
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The old covenant laws, known as the Mosaic Law, was given by God to Israel through Moses.

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To keep it simple...the new covenant is not to the church, but to future national Israel that Jesus Christ will come back and save per Jer 31 and Zech 14 etc..

We are just hitchin' a ride on it, in a dark glass, partial way.

You aint seen nothin' yet.
Tell us, do you consider yourself part of the church? Tell us, are you in a covenant with God? If so, what is that covenant?

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