So what's so new about the new Covenant, and is it better, really?
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If you are still asking that, then you are missing the reality and not seeing as the Christian should be seeing. I am truly sorry to learn that. And with that, I understand that you could only live in the shadows. It takes the help of God and working of the Holy Spirit for one to be able to see the reality. And seeing, only then will one be able to live in it.
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If you understand what a genuine and true child of God is, one who is truly born of the Spirit by the will of God, you’ll get what BB meant by “Love God and live as you please.”
Tong
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I can see that we have a different understanding and take of what the law of Christ is, compared to that of the law of Moses. And I understand why that is the case with you, for you consider not that the law of Moses was completely changed and replaced by the law of Christ. You consider such change as only partial or incomplete.
If you understand what it means to be with and be in Christ, and what it means that Christ fulfilled the law, perhaps you will understand what I mean. Though I can see there that you see in part.
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Yes.
Yes.
It is future Israel's covenant.
I have no special covenant, nor do you or anyone else.
We are included in THEIR future covenant.
That's a fact.
If you attempt to keep the Law to please Christ, you are not in Christ, but crucify the son of God afresh.
Only sinners are under the Law today.
You say you are in covenant with God, yet you speak of a future covenant. Would you please be clear on that?
Are you now, today, presently and currently in covenant with God?
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Why would I when I am not under the law but am with and in Christ? Definitely not. What made you say that? Do you think I will and I am?
You said “The Law is our judge.” I said count me out on that. You will understand why if you understand what it means when I said I am with and in Christ.
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Keeping the commandments of the one you love should be automatic, and if we do that we will be fulfilling the law.
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You simply need to repent.
I did. I had a “mind change”, which is what Saving Repentance is.....I used to think that I was “ good enough” to make it to Heaven......the Holy Spirit convicted me of my True standing before God.....I was a Lost Sinner, deserving of an eternity in Hell.....that Conviction Of Sin lead me to Turn to God just as the Sinful Publican did—— I had come to the end of myself.....all I could do is cry out to God , “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner.....Everything else pretty much took care of itself once that life-changing event happened.....
I sometimes try to figure out what is wrong with guys like you.....have you ever undergone the experience that I have? Have you ever experienced the true horror of what you are and what you deserve? Have YOU Repented ? That is the True question ....
I know that you don’t really Believe the Gospel , because you don't rest in it as Hebrews said to do....God says that if you do not Rest in the Gospel , you are showing disobedience and UNBELIEF....serious stuff.
The only way to prove that you Rest in the Gospel is to give up your man- made Addition to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing.......That “ Addition” that you don’t talk about too much these days is your False and Perverted addition of “ Lucky Repentance” .....it’s not found in Galatians or anywhere else....it’s a Damnable Lie , butvit dure sounds GREAT to you, doesn’t it?
The first part Of The Gospel is , “ Jesus Died for your Sins” .....that’s the part you don’t really Believe ....therein lies your problem ....of course, you will never admit it—- the sad part is that you are probably not even aware of it.....
It’s like the millions of people that mindlessly sung, “ Nothing But The Blood” .....they have brainlessly mouthed it for so long that it means nothing to them —- they don’t even think about it. It’s no different from actually Believing the Gospel Of Grace......people have brainlessly mouthed “ Jesus died for my Sins” for so long , they never stop to realize that they don’t believe that at all.....Their TRUE Belief is “I Repented from all of my Sins”, and “ that’s” how I make it to Heaven.....That is their True Gospel and Satan Loves it......it really “ tickles the ears” of the Lemmings that are marching along the “Broad Path”......I hold out the hope that God will grant you Repentance —- “ TRUE” Repentance ....
I did. I had a “mind change”, which is what Saving Repentance is.....I used to think that I was “ good enough” to make it to Heaven......the Holy Spirit convicted me of my True standing before God.....I was a Lost Sinner, deserving of an eternity in Hell.....that Conviction Of Sin lead me to Turn to God just as the Sinful Publican did—— I had come to the end of myself.....all I could do is cry out to God , “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner.....Everything else pretty much took care of itself once that life-changing event happened.....
I sometimes try to figure out what is wrong with guys like you.....have you ever undergone the experience that I have? Have you ever experienced the true horror of what you are and what you deserve? Have YOU Repented ? That is the True question ....
I know that you don’t really Believe the Gospel , because you don't rest in it as Hebrews said to do....God says that if you do not Rest in the Gospel , you are showing disobedience and UNBELIEF....serious stuff.
The only way to prove that you Rest in the Gospel is to give up your man- made Addition to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing.......That “ Addition” that you don’t talk about too much these days is your False and Perverted addition of “ Lucky Repentance” .....it’s not found in Galatians or anywhere else....it’s a Damnable Lie , butvit dure sounds GREAT to you, doesn’t it?
The first part Of The Gospel is , “ Jesus Died for your Sins” .....that’s the part you don’t really Believe ....therein lies your problem ....of course, you will never admit it—- the sad part is that you are probably not even aware of it.....
It’s like the millions of people that mindlessly sung, “ Nothing But The Blood” .....they have brainlessly mouthed it for so long that it means nothing to them —- they don’t even think about it. It’s no different from actually Believing the Gospel Of Grace......people have brainlessly mouthed “ Jesus died for my Sins” for so long , they never stop to realize that they don’t believe that at all.....Their TRUE Belief is “I Repented from all of my Sins”, and “ that’s” how I make it to Heaven.....That is their True Gospel and Satan Loves it......it really “ tickles the ears” of the Lemmings that are marching along the “Broad Path”......I hold out the hope that God will grant you Repentance —- “ TRUE” Repentance ....
“Love God and live as you please.....”[/QUOTE]
Note to “ justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance“....... You have trouble understanding what I mean when I use the term “ uncommon man and women”
If you ever truly “ GET” this .....you will have become an “ uncommon” person......
If you think that statement is Blasphemous......you are the Typical man with no insight into the Ways Of God.....
There is a Reason why the First Commandment Is the First Commandment.....can you figure it out? Uncommon men and women do......
Note to “ justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance“....... You have trouble understanding what I mean when I use the term “ uncommon man and women”
If you ever truly “ GET” this .....you will have become an “ uncommon” person......
If you think that statement is Blasphemous......you are the Typical man with no insight into the Ways Of God.....
There is a Reason why the First Commandment Is the First Commandment.....can you figure it out? Uncommon men and women do......
Love for God is the “ ENGINE” that drives Obedience ......” Love for God” is only experienced by those that understand and live in Grace —- that would be those that REST in the Gospel.....ONLY those !
If you are “ Working” by Trusting in Lucky Repentance —- you ain’t RESTING and you ain’t Loving God and you are NOT performing any obedience that counts with God and that is LOVE- BASED OBEDIENCE.....anything else is Dead Works......
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Would you liken our relationship with Jesus to a father child relationship?
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The New Covenant is in fact the New Testament; and it is indeed to the church.
So, to you, which is easier to avoid? Going out with a woman that is not your wife and then going to bed with her? or, lusting after the same woman in your heart?
To me, the latter is more difficult to keep...and it is found in the law of Christ (Matthew chapters 5-7).
See 1 John 3:5-9 for my response to what you think I missed Ezekiel saying.
However, not one jot or one tittle passed away from the law when it changed (Matthew 5:17-20).
The change in law had to do with a transitioning in the manner of how one keeps it. At one time it was by the letter...by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts. Today, it is by the spirit...through bearing the fruit of the Spirit against which there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23).
See Romans 7:6.
That is also how I came to know the Lord...and from there I began a walk of faith in which I desire to walk consistently not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
Yep.
Yep.
What do you mean by resting in the gospel? Do you think that means resigning to the fact that we are all sinners and resolving that I am going to live a lifestyle of sinning because it doesn't matter anyway? because all my sins are "covered by the blood of Jesus"?
I think that it is disobedience and UNBELIEF to walk according to the flesh rather than the Spirit.
Sure it is. Galatians 5:16-21.
You think that because I seek to obey God's Spirit that I do not rely on the fact that He died for my sins when I blow it? You are sadly mistaken...
I hope that He will grant you true repentance also...which is to make a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.
Note to “ justbyfaith“ <fify>....... You have trouble understanding what I mean when I use the term “ uncommon man and women”
If you ever truly “ GET” this .....you will have become an “ uncommon” person...[/QUOTE]
I have gotten this particular thing all along.
It has to do with Psalms 37:4. Before we get born again we have hearts that are wicked and deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9). So the desires of our hearts are wicked and deceitful.
But something happens when God "sprinkles clean water on you" (Ezekiel 36:25-27)...He gives you a new heart and a new spirit and He causes you to walk in His statutes and in his judgments...because now you have a heart that is "honest and good" (Luke 8:15).
I would say however that the statement "Love God and live as you please" might be misleading to someone who has not had their heart transformed. Their heart is still deceitful above all things and desperately wicked; and while they may think that they love God because they have good feelings towards Him (probably because they think He is giving them a free pass to commit whatever sins they desire to commit), the desires of their heart are going to turn out to be deceitful above all things and desperately wicked...and the end result will very likely be what the sinner desires most in his deceitful heart above all...to be a sinner for the rest of his life and then to be punished for his sins in hell.
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And that only confirms that we have a different take, as to what is the law of Christ.
If you have such a mind, then I’d say we don’t have the same mind.
If the former is a burden to you and the latter is even more burdensome, I am sorry truly for you.
Since you do not know what you missed in Ezekiel 33:15, How could you throw in scriptures just like that thinking that by doing so makes any difference? Remember, you referred to Ezekiel 33:15 as support to your doctrine of what somebody here calls “lucky repentance” as a way for one to get saved.
The change and replacement of the law has nothing to do with us but everything to do with Christ.
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Well that sounds great. Sort of like the same situation Lucifer invented before creation huh. He had the Spirit of God... why, he had everything! And he still rebelled, then discovered to his horror that what he thought he had was not at all in harmony with God's laws, (which are but a reflection of His character of love) but totally contradicted them. So. What is this strange confidence you have that you believe you, a mere mortal, light years away from the God you claim to have abiding within, that what you are hearing is in fact His voice and His Spirit?
Tell me. Is the holy Spirit of God you are hearing in harmony with the law the Son wrote on stone and gave to Moses?
The end, in the context it is offered, does not mean the culmination of anything, but rather the goal. The end.. The goal... The ultimate aim of the law,
KJV Romans 10:4
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
is Christ.
Hence the purpose, the goal, the end of the law is Christ Himself that through Him we can attain to the righteousness as revealed in God's commandments. Jesus confirmed this in many ways, perhaps the most succinct and pithy, was, "without me ye can do nothing". But four times, Jesus said...
KJV Matthew 19:26
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
KJV Mark 9:23
23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
KJV Mark 10:27
27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
KJV Mark 14:36
36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
And then Christians have such little faith they claim it is impossible to obey His commandments.
KJV Luke 18:8
8 ....Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Christ is our judge, and the Lawgiver. Are His gifts intended to condemn? I think it is your sins that condemn you, not that which reveals them. You are under the condemnation of the law because you sin. Not because the law is bad for you.
And we walk in the spirit not to escape hell, but to bring glory to God by obeying His commandments and revealing His character to the world.
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I know what Martin Luther (not BB, lol) meant when he said that.
And, no, you are not free to live as you please....
13“If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, 14then you will find your joy in the Lord
Isaiah 58:13-14
And by now you should know to understand 'Sabbath' in the above quote as the reality, not the shadow.if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, 14then you will find your joy in the Lord
Isaiah 58:13-14
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