So what's so new about the new Covenant, and is it better, really?

Tong2020 said:

for you consider not that the law of Moses was completely changed and replaced by the law of Christ. You consider such change as only partial or incomplete.

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The ministry of Christ made it so the ministry of the Levitical high priest and the literal Mosaic observances could be laid aside. Not destroyed. Not broken. Just simply not needed anymore because what they were put in place to do has now been done perfectly and forever through the new way of faith in Christ's ministry.

God marks the literal Mosaic observances 'satisfied' for the believer. For example, all believers have satisfied God's requirement for a Passover observance and Feast of Unleavened Bread (1 Corinthians 5:7). He did not erase the requirement for Passover. He fulfilled it. Faith in Christ does not leave that observance broken by the coming of Christ. Faith fulfills it. Which is what Christ said he came to do—fulfill the law, not cast it down as the church thinks he did.

The law that the Levitical ministry dealt with remains (do not murder, do not steal, etc.). It didn't go anywhere. It did not get laid aside. The people of God are still required to walk in those laws, God even writing them on the heart of the believer in this New Covenant. They are written on soft pliable hearts of flesh now, not stony hardened hearts.

Cooper said:

Keeping the commandments of the one you love should be automatic, and if we do that we will be fulfilling the law.
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I wish it was that way all the time. It wasn't for Jesus. He sweat blood struggling with his Father in the Garden about his required obedience to go to the cross. And he was a perfect man!

Backlit said:

The end, in the context it is offered, does not mean the culmination of anything, but rather the goal. The end.. The goal... The ultimate aim of the law,
KJV Romans 10:4
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
is Christ.
Hence the purpose, the goal, the end of the law is Christ Himself that through Him we can attain to the righteousness as revealed in God's commandments.

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Are you listening, BB? The end of the law doesn't mean 'I don't have to keep it anymore'. In fact, it means quite the opposite. Faith releases you from your fruitless attempt to be righteous. Faith makes it so you CAN be righteous. Faith makes it so we really can live in righteousness. The church thinks faith makes it so you don't have to live in righteousness. They believe this because that's what they have been taught.

Tong2020 said:

You say you are in covenant with God, yet you speak of a future covenant. Would you please be clear on that?

Are you now, today, presently and currently in covenant with God?

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Okay.

God made a covenant with Abraham.

God promised Abraham that He would save every one of his future descendants at some point in time.

This promise is to future national Israel and is described throughout the O.T. prophets.

When the Holy Ghost was poured out a Pentecost, this event was depicted as a part of that future promise, but not the fulfillment.

What Pentecost was is an INCLUSION into the future promise to national Israel, not the fulfillment.

This inclusion is not the big event to come yet, but described by Paul as "partial" and "seeing through a dark glass' ,today, of this future Millennial event.

We have simply been INCLUDED in a partial way into a promise to Abraham that will only be fulfilled at the return of Christ. We only see things barely, through a dark glass now.

Backlit said:

The end, in the context it is offered, does not mean the culmination of anything, but rather the goal. The end.. The goal... The ultimate aim of the law,
KJV Romans 10:4
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
is Christ.
Hence the purpose, the goal, the end of the law is Christ Himself that through Him we can attain to the righteousness as revealed in God's commandments. Jesus confirmed this in many ways, perhaps the most succinct and pithy, was, "without me ye can do nothing". But four times, Jesus said...
KJV Matthew 19:26
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

KJV Mark 9:23
23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

KJV Mark 10:27
27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

KJV Mark 14:36
36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

And then Christians have such little faith they claim it is impossible to obey His commandments.
KJV Luke 18:8
8 ....Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

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The new covenant is not to you and I.

God made no covenant with us...period.

A covenant is an agreement between 2 individuals or entities.

You and I were adopted into a FUTURE covenant to national Israel(via the fathers) that has not yet happened.

But, since it has not happened, we are only allowed to operate in it in a partial way(partial gifts) with a "welders mask" on.

Backlit said:

Christ is our judge, and the Lawgiver. Are His gifts intended to condemn? I think it is your sins that condemn you, not that which reveals them. You are under the condemnation of the law because you sin. Not because the law is bad for you.
And we walk in the spirit not to escape hell, but to bring glory to God by obeying His commandments and revealing His character to the world.

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The Law is not Christ's gift to us, but our judge and jury.

The Law is a schoolmaster to LEAD us to Christ.

After we come to Christ and stay in the Spirit, we are free from the Law...we graduate.

If we cease to walk in the Spirit(backslide), we backslide back under the Law to be judged by it again.

It is that easy.

Backlit said:

How can the new covenant be still future when Christs blood ratified it 2000 years ago?

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Christ's blood was spilled even before Pentecost happened.

When Pentecost happened, Peter said "this is that", referring to the 2nd coming.

He knew that this was not the fulfillment, but would lead up to it after the great tribulation....



16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Backlit said:

You contradict yourself here. Anything that comes from God that leads to Christ is a gift of grace.

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The Law is Grace?

Ferris Bueller said:

I wish it was that way all the time. It wasn't for Jesus. He sweat blood struggling with his Father in the Garden about his required obedience to go to the cross. And he was a perfect man!

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We do get tempted at times, but as my mother used to tell me, she said, "be an overcomer," and do you know what, the temptation soon passes.
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Tong2020 said:

Since you do not know what you missed in Ezekiel 33:15, How could you throw in scriptures just like that thinking that by doing so makes any difference? Remember, you referred to Ezekiel 33:15 as support to your doctrine of what somebody here calls “lucky repentance” as a way for one to get saved.

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Okay; tell me what I missed in Ezekiel 33:15 and how 1 John 3:9 does not answer it.

Truther said:

The Law is Grace?

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The law is a gift given by grace (Psalms 119:29).

Truther said:

The Law is Grace?

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The Law now is under Grace.
The Law now is not above all like it is with the Jews OT.
The Law still stands but is now under Grace, so the Law as it was does not stand as it was in the OT but now that Grace surpasses over the Law in order to take in account the human aspects without looking at the subject at hand like a Nazi would, the letter of the Law ? type, Nazi says oh your 2ed generation removed from worshiping Jews so you are going to Jail regardless of even if your were parents were Christians and your self, but if you were 3 times removed regardless you could be on your way as long as you were not openly against the Socialist Zionist and National Socialist .
Socialism has no time for God because Socialism a mans works creation in fact. their god is Socialism and Socialism is the Letter of the Law, because Gods Grace does not abide in any one who is a Socialist.
If you talk to a Socialist, they think that grace is poise, typical of carnal morons who do not know the difference between something that stinks and clay.

Ferris Bueller said:

I'm living in it, so I must be able to see the reality.

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I hope you do. But as it is, it seems you are still looking at the letter, the same as was with the Jews of old.

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Ferris Bueller said:

I know what Martin Luther (not BB, lol) meant when he said that.
And, no, you are not free to live as you please....

13“If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, 14then you will find your joy in the Lord
Isaiah 58:13-14
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And by now you should know to understand 'Sabbath' in the above quote as the reality, not the shadow.

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You just keep affirming and confirming that you seem to not realize what a genuine Christian is, one who is born of the Spirit, of the will of God.

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Backlit said:

Well that sounds great. Sort of like the same situation Lucifer invented before creation huh. He had the Spirit of God... why, he had everything! And he still rebelled, then discovered to his horror that what he thought he had was not at all in harmony with God's laws, (which are but a reflection of His character of love) but totally contradicted them. So. What is this strange confidence you have that you believe you, a mere mortal, light years away from the God you claim to have abiding within, that what you are hearing is in fact His voice and His Spirit?
Tell me. Is the holy Spirit of God you are hearing in harmony with the law the Son wrote on stone and gave to Moses?

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“ The Gospel is Foolishness to those that perish”

You think that because I seek to obey God's Spirit that I do not rely on the fact that He died for my sins when I blow it? You are sadly mistaken...

Your Actions speak so loud I can’t hear what you are Saying.....your Faith is in “ Lucky Repentance” , not in the fact that He died for your sins....you prove where your true heart is almost every day in here....it’s “ Why Sure Jesus Saves! Everybody knows that !.....( “B U T” then, ya gotta Repent Of all of your Sins before you die to really make that stuff mean anything.....)
You preach that Jesus died for your Sins as long as you have the “ Luck” to remember and repent of all of them before you die......a very subtle (akin to Satan in the Garden) and Perverted, False Gospel....
According to you , Jesus never died for a Sin that you forgot about and therefore did not repent of.......
Those that preach a different gospel than Paul preached in 1Cor15:1-4 are “ Accursed” or in other words, “ Damned”.......BB didn't say it......Jesus , using Paul as his spokesman did....it’s there in Galatians for all to read......Gal1:8.....
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Ferris Bueller said:

Tong2020 said: ↑
for you consider not that the law of Moses was completely changed and replaced by the law of Christ. You consider such change as only partial or incomplete.

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The ministry of Christ made it so the ministry of the Levitical high priest and the literal Mosaic observances could be laid aside. Not destroyed. Not broken. Just simply not needed anymore because what they were put in place to do has now been done perfectly and forever through the new way of faith in Christ's ministry.

God marks the literal Mosaic observances 'satisfied' for the believer. For example, all believers have satisfied God's requirement for a Passover observance and Feast of Unleavened Bread (1 Corinthians 5:7). He did not erase the requirement for Passover. He fulfilled it. Faith in Christ does not leave that observance broken by the coming of Christ. Faith fulfills it. Which is what Christ said he came to do—fulfill the law, not cast it down as the church thinks he did.

The law that the Levitical ministry dealt with remains (do not murder, do not steal, etc.). It didn't go anywhere. It did not get laid aside. The people of God are still required to walk in those laws, God even writing them on the heart of the believer in this New Covenant. They are written on soft pliable hearts of flesh now, not stony hardened hearts.

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At least with regards the covenant of God with Israel, Christ came to establish the new covenant, replacing the Mosaic covenant. And as you are well aware, in the Mosaic covenant, there is what is called the covenant laws that the covenant people are to observe, keep, and do.

Did Christ fulfill that? Yes.There is then now, a new covenant which replaced the Mosaic covenant. So it is but proper for us to look at the new covenant and not the old, to live in the new and not in the old.

Christ fulfilled the law. He did not destroy the law but fulfilled it. He did not break any of the ten commandments nor any commandment given by God through Moses to Israel. The christians are in Christ. In Christ, the christians had fulfilled the law. In Christ, they are saved from the curses and condemnation of the law. The Christians are safe in Christ. They will eventually be transformed into the image of Christ, by the working of the Holy Spirit who dwells in him.

We are in the new covenant and not in the old. To somehow see some of the difference, we can ask ourselves:

How was God worshiped in the old covenant, and how is God worshiped in the new covenant?

In the old covenant, by what were they to walk and live by, and in the new covenant, by what should they walk and live by?

Tong
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