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Christ can’t save you, is what your saying?

Im saying that water cults remove Christ and insert WATER.
H20 is the Salvation of the water cults.
You're teaching it.
Breadolife teaches it.
Justbyfaith has been teaching it for a few weeks now.
Truther, is the same...he is all about the water.

Im saying that Jehovah's Witness Theology is what you are teaching, along with the rest of my list.

Its this... JW Theology....""""Baptism in water has several purposes. It is for the remission of sins, for membership in the Church, and for entrance into the kingdom of God"""""""
 

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Yes, you keep saying that, but scripture doesn't.

God justified Abraham by faith alone, apart from either circumcision or water baptism.

Thus those who say saving faith includes water baptism change how faith is defined in Romans 4:1-12. But if saving faith is redefined to entail water baptism, no one today would be able to “walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised,” since Abraham’s faith had nothing to do with religious rites, whether circumcision or water baptism.

your not Abraham!
 

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Yes, you keep saying that, but scripture doesn't.

God justified Abraham by faith alone, apart from either circumcision or water baptism.

Thus those who say saving faith includes water baptism change how faith is defined in Romans 4:1-12. But if saving faith is redefined to entail water baptism, no one today would be able to “walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised,” since Abraham’s faith had nothing to do with religious rites, whether circumcision or water baptism.

scripture does say that Mk 16:16
 

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1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.

Do you even read the Bible, or just a few selected, out-of-context verses?
Bible alone all scripture even one word is still the word of God
 

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1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.

Do you even read the Bible, or just a few selected, out-of-context verses?

where does the Bible say we need context?
 

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Christ is in Heaven.
The eucharist cookie is in a box, on a shelf, in the pantry of your church. There are hundreds of them, in each box.
So, Dont insult Jesus.
Think before you speak, next time.

matt 28:18-20 I am with you until the end
 

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Im saying that water cults remove Christ and insert WATER.
H20 is the Salvation of the water cults.
You're teaching it.
Breadolife teaches it.
Justbyfaith has been teaching it for a few weeks now.
Truther, is the same...he is all about the water.

Im saying that Jehovah's Witness Theology is what you are teaching, along with the rest of my list.

Its this... JW Theology....""""Baptism in water has several purposes. It is for the remission of sins, for membership in the Church, and for entrance into the kingdom of God"""""""

The father promised sacramental life beginning with baptism ez 36:25-27
strange since Christ commands water baptism Mk 16:16
The HS says baptism eph 4:5

why don’t you answer our question for a change???
 

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matt 28:18-20 I am with you until the end

Notice the verse you listed, carefully.

"""19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,.............baptizing""""

See the "make disciples"? See that part?
You make a disciple when they are born again, because you led them to Christ.
That is how you "make a disciple"..

After this happens........you water baptize the "disciple".
 

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The father promised sacramental life beginning with baptism ez 36:25-27
strange since Christ commands water baptism Mk 16:16
The HS says baptism eph 4:5

why don’t you answer our question for a change???


You dont ask questions..
You just post random ideas, using Catholic terminology, that is not found in a Bible.

There is no such thing as "sacramental life'.

THis word "sacraments" is a man made word. Its not a bible word.
Typically its a water cult theology word.

Also, Ez 36, is God Talking.
God is in Heaven, so how can he put water on you ?

So, this water in the verse, is not the city water supply....but its the word that does the washing, its Jesus the Living WATER, HIMSELF< who does the "washing"

You verse says you are cleansed from IDOLS.
Those are in your HEART.
SO, the city water supply can't wash your heart clean from ANYTHING,.....including Idol worship.
 

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Spiritual Baptism, not water, is how you enter into the real of the Spirit were God Exists.
Born again - is a baptism in the Spirit, by the HOLY SPIRIT, not in the water by water.

Its this..
1 Corinthians 12:13

13 : For by one SPIRIT we are all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles,.

NOTICE...>by one SPIRIT we are all BAPTIZED into the body of Christ.

NO WATER INVOLVED.

Why is it that the water cult's deceived cannot COMPRHEND "baptized by one SPIRIT"., and think that Spirit is Water.

Is as if their mind is locked unwater.

So odd that water cultists can't understand anything related to the Spirit, and can only perceive in the secular.

Listen again, breadoflife. The water cult heresy is that "water is the basis for the 2nd Birth, and that is Jehovah's Witness, theology.
Its CULTIC.
Understand?
So, stop teaching this water cult theology on a Christian Forum.

Do no teach this mess on a Christian Forum.

JEHOVAH's WITNESS = """ Baptism in water has several purposes. It is for the remission of sins, for membership in the Church, and for entrance into the kingdom of God"...
YOU stick your heretical lies - and I'LL stick with the Word of God.

Water Baptism is for the remission of sins AND the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).
This is the very DEFINITION of what it means to be Born Again.

the only thing "cultic" here is YOUR pathetic attaempt to rewrite the Word of God . . .
 

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You have no idea of "Paul's Gospel" and to pretend that you do, is just one more proof of your intentional dishonesty.

Paul's Message, that you've probably never heard, being that all you can talk about is PETER and WATER......is that God's Gift of Righteousness is not related to water.
Its only related to FAITH.
"justification by FAITH".

Notice in Romans 4 (written by Paul).. that the Father of a Real Believer's faith, is ABRAHAM, who is the "father of our Faith".

Abraham was not water baptized. why? Because Abraham BELIEVED GOD, and this faith, was "counted to him as Righteousness".
That's Paul's Gospel that you and all the water cult's reject.

Abraham is the Father of our Faith, as PAUL Teaches.
So, there's another epistle by Paul you avoid.
Nothing new.
Paul's message was not "different" from Christ's Gospel.
When I hear the ignorant and unstable (to quote Peter) use terms like "Paul's Gospel" vs. "Jesus's Gospel" - it makes me shudder at the absolute idiocy of those words.

Paul preached to a different group of people - we are ALL in the same boat when it scomes to sin and redemption. Jews are saved by the SAME grace that Gentiles are. Paul isn't the Head of the Church - Jesus is (Col. 1:18)
And when HE commands us to be water Baptized - then GET water Baptized or suffer the consequences (Mark 16:16).
 

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So now "Jesus is God", and that is what you "meant", before.....
Well, im glad i could help you figure out what to say next, to cover up your latest biblical goof.
Jesus always WAS God.

You
didn't help me figure out anything other than the fact that you've been wrong on just about EVERYTHING . . .
 

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YOU stick your heretical lies - and I'LL stick with the Word of God.

Water Baptism is for the remission of sins AND the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).
This is the very DEFINITION of what it means to be Born Again.

Let me help you with just a small amount of bible exegesis.
Here it is..
Dont just live in one verse, as you are doing all your theological life.
See, that is what has happened to you.
You live in one verse, trying to make the entire New Testament, your one verse.
All water cults are victim's of this same spiritual blindness.

Here is how to recover yourself.....well, you can try.

Go to all of Paul's epistles....thats the other 73% of the NT that does not list water baptism as necessary.
See, you have to let go of PETER, as Peter is not your "Gentile Apostle".
He's a kinda dumb fisherman, who rejected Christ then repented, and finally when he was old, he told us that Paul's letters are equal to the Torah.
So, You have to go with Paul, so that you find the correct doctrine that sustains and explains the RULES for the "time of the Gentiles".

Start with this verse, and then read the Epistle. "Christ sent me not to baptize".
Start there. That's Paul talking to you.
 

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Yes, as i said, and as Peter teaches.
Repent of your Unbelief, and have Faith in Christ. = Acts 2:38
Once you do, then get in the water. = Acts 2:38.
Here it is again.
Phillip speaking to the Eunuch in Acts 8.. "if you believe with all your heart.. ( turn from unbelief), then you may be water baptized".

See how the water follows Conversion?
Notice that "believe with all your heart"? That is Repenting toward Christ and away from Unbelief....and following that, you may be water baptized.
See Acts 2:38 for an update on "repent", as you read verses 34-37 to find out what is being "repented of".
Ahhhhh - NOW I see where you went off the tracks.

Believing is NOT conversion. Even the DEMONS believe in the truths about God (James 2:19) - are they converted?
Conversion requires obedience - surrender. This is where BAPTISM comes in - as our response to belief - our cooperation with God's grace.

EVERYBODY who is Baptized believed first - THEN they were converted when they OBEYED.
 

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Paul's message was not "different" from Christ's Gospel.

Its totally different, breadoflife.

This is why Paul call's it "MY Gospel".
This is why Jesus called SAUL later, after Jesus was in Heaven.... and gave just this one Apostle, "church doctrine", and "the Gospel of the Grace of God".
This is why the New Testament, is mostly written by PAUL.

Paul gave "my Gospel"... to the other apostles, and that is why Peter is not preaching the correct message for the "time of the Gentiles", in Acts 2.
See, Peter can't preach "Paul's Gospel" in Acts 2.... as Paul is not even called by Christ yet to receive it yet.
= Peter can't preach in Acts 2 what he does not yet know, even until Acts 10.

Paul's Gospel, "justification by Faith"....is NOT.. "get wet to cleans sins".. that the Catholic Church and all water cults still teach for 2000 yrs, that "justification by faith without works" as the True Gospel.
But it is, as Jesus gave it to the Body of Christ, THROUGH PAUL.
 

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Ahhhhh - NOW I see where you went off the tracks.

Believing is NOT conversion. .

Satan and the demons can't be born again, so, your lack of theological understanding in glowing again.
You keep it glowing, we've noticed.

Born again, is the 2nd birth........
The 1st is born of water, when you came out of your mothers water sac , from her womb.
Maybe you didnt, maybe you were hatched.
(Check your birth certificate)...>(does it say you were hatched)?
If so, then maybe this is why you can't comprehend , "born of water", = tho everyone else is birthed through their mother's womb. (water breaks, out comes baby), - born of water.
Maybe you should take a class in Anatomy and Physiology.???

So, the 2nd Birth, is SPIRITUAL.
Its God the Holy Spirit, causing a person's dead spirit to become alive "in Christ".
This is : BORN AGAIN.......born again Spiritually, by the Holy Spirit, and never by the city water supply, or a waterfall, or water in a ditch found after a thunderstorm.
 

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Jesus always WAS God.

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Well, come now...
You know in your post you stated that all sin is Christ Rejection.
And i pointed out that Jesus was not alive before "BC"....on your calendar...and there was a lot of sinning going on.
That is all the OLD Testament by the way.
So, now you want to pretend that you "meant God", and that is fine.
We are use to you not knowing what you are talking about, and once corrected, you try to pretend.>>"well what i meant'.

yeah, we know all about it.
 

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Abraham is the father of the Christian faith. He was saved as we are, through faith alone.

Amen.

If water could save, then it could have saved Jesus a lot of PAIN.
He could have just stayed in heaven, and everyone just take a bath or a shower and we are all saved.

But......not quite.
 
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