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Michiah-Imla

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That is not true. The context of the 1st epistle of John is that John wrote it to deal with the gnostic heresy that was infiltrating the early church on his watch.

I was wrong.

Actually, you are right.

You are the gnostic here then.

Gnostic: relating to knowledge, especially esoteric mystical knowledge.

The teaching that one must believe Jesus is God to be saved indeed is a mystical teaching that must be taught by man.
 

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Except for the fact that these things have actually occurred.

I believe that the presiding pastor in those events commented that it must have been that angels were sweeping the streets of heaven and some of the dust was falling into the church building.
You've lost your mind, JBF, you are losing whatever credibility that you might have had, to the point of utter depletion.
 

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I am not going to fight the attacks any more, I am going to turn the other cheek right now.
 

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I am not going to fight the attacks any more, I am going to turn the other cheek right now.

Seriously?!

You basically pronounced condemnation on me earlier in this thread because I do not believe your strange doctrine on believing Jesus is God for salvation; and now you play the victim?

You should exercise better judgment when discerning doctrine from scripture.

You only have ONE (privately interpreted) verse to hold this strange doctrine up.

Not wise.
 

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I think knowing a little bit helps in evangelism purposes, as well as helping with not being deceived. I have to blow it up on my phone, but looks pretty detailed. Good guide. There was a really good book I read in the past that went into detail on different religions from a Christian view. It was really good. Ill have to try and look it up.

Christianity, Sects and Cults - Comparison Chart
Don't want to get picky, but I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea, so here are three inaccuracies regarding the seventh day adventist part of the chart.

Quote ... Regarding authority...The Bible as explained to White in her visions & interpreted in her books.
This is nonsense. The Bible for SDAs is the final authority. Ellen White, like anyone else, is to be judged by scripture.
From our official fundamental beliefs:
The Holy Scriptures are the supreme, authoritative, and the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the definitive revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God’s acts in history.

Quote.... The human problem...Sin: People willingly reject commandments of God such as the Ten Commandments, especially violation of eternal seventh-day Sabbath law.
This is far too a simplistic conclusion.
All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. This conflict originated in heaven when a created being, endowed with freedom of choice, in self-exaltation became Satan, God’s adversary, and led into rebellion a portion of the angels. He introduced the spirit of rebellion into this world when he led Adam and Eve into sin. This human sin resulted in the distortion of the image of God in humanity, the disordering of the created world, and its eventual devastation at the time of the global flood, as presented in the historical account of Genesis 1-11. Observed by the whole creation, this world became the arena of the universal conflict, out of which the God of love will ultimately be vindicated. To assist His people in this controversy, Christ sends the Holy Spirit and the loyal angels to guide, protect, and sustain them in the way of salvation.

Quote... The solution....Repentance, faith in Christ as Savior, baptism by immersion, & keeping of commandments.
And a far too simplistic a solution.
In infinite love and mercy God made Christ, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that in Him we might be made the righteousness of God. Led by the Holy Spirit we sense our need, acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our transgressions, and exercise faith in Jesus as Saviour and Lord, Substitute and Example. This saving faith comes through the divine power of the Word and is the gift of God’s grace. Through Christ we are justified, adopted as God’s sons and daughters, and delivered from the lordship of sin. Through the Spirit we are born again and sanctified; the Spirit renews our minds, writes God’s law of love in our hearts, and we are given the power to live a holy life. Abiding in Him we become partakers of the divine nature and have the assurance of salvation now and in the judgment.
 
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You only have ONE (privately interpreted) verse to hold this strange doctrine up.
I don't think there is anything strange about a Son inheriting the same nature as His Father. And that being the case, what would be very strange is a Son having a different nature than that of His Father. My son is human... because he's my son. If he were my dog's son, he would be a dog.
Now Jesus' Father is God. I think that leaves us with only one conclusion.
 

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John 8:24 is not saying that belief in Christ’s deity is essential for salvation.

That’s what you are saying.

What did the Father reveal to Peter?

That Jesus was the Christ.

Matthew 16:15-17 KJV
...whom say ye that I am? [16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Why didn’t the Father reveal to Peter that Jesus was God himself? Because this has nothing to do with salvation, that’s why (or, that it is even something to be concerned with). And also, no where else in scripture is belief in Jesus’s deity mentioned as a requirement for salvation.

The only thing that condemns one in regards to the person of Christ in scripture is denying that Jesus is the Christ:

1 John 2:22 KJV
[22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Why do you insist on loading men with burdens not prescribed in the Bible?
I believe you could add the following...
KJV 1 John 5:10-13
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Believing that Jesus is the Son of God is of equal importance to believing He is Messiah. Both testify to His divinity.
 

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I don't think there is anything strange about a Son inheriting the same nature as His Father.

Neither do I.

That is not the point of the dispute.

He says you must believe Jesus is God to be saved. That’s where he goes astray from the holy script and where I take issue with @justbyfaith
 
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Going to ask anyone besides a Catholic means you're going to get their biased spin interpretation on things--

Hi Jane,

You mean like making a chart comparing that 'other world religion', Catholicism, with 'historical Christianity' ?
That gave me a chuckle.. Lol

:D

Peace!
 

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Hi Jane,

You mean like making a chart comparing that 'other world religion', Catholicism, with 'historical Christianity' ?
That gave me a chuckle.. Lol

:D

Peace!
My comment was said specifically because I disagree with principle of making charts like that, and instead suggest a different approach.
 

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Seriously?!

You basically pronounced condemnation on me earlier in this thread because I do not believe your strange doctrine on believing Jesus is God for salvation; and now you play the victim?

You should exercise better judgment when discerning doctrine from scripture.

You only have ONE (privately interpreted) verse to hold this strange doctrine up.

Not wise.

1) I did not condemn you for your doctrine. For I believe that you said that you do not deny that Jesus is God; only that you deny that the doctrine of His Deity is an essential for salvation. You would be condemned by holy scripture if you disbelieved the former; disbelieving the latter will only make you a less effective witness to those who deny Christ's Deity.

2) John 8:24 is not privately interpreted by me. The fact that if you deny that Jesus is the great I AM, you will die in your sins, is a public interpretation that many hold to.

Neither do I.

That is not the point of the dispute.

He says you must believe Jesus is God to be saved. That’s where he goes astray from the holy script and where I take issue with @justbyfaith

No, declaring the true meaning of John 8:24 is not going astray from the holy script.

I think that you must be motivated somehow to believe that the doctrine of Christ's Deity is essential for salvation. Do you know someone who died who denies that truth that you want to see in heaven? Do you know someone who is alive who denies that doctrinal truth?
 

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I think knowing a little bit helps in evangelism purposes, as well as helping with not being deceived. I have to blow it up on my phone, but looks pretty detailed. Good guide. There was a really good book I read in the past that went into detail on different religions from a Christian view. It was really good. Ill have to try and look it up.

Christianity, Sects and Cults - Comparison Chart
Here's another error regarding SDA teaching.
Quote... Future with God...Eternal communion in heaven for faithful remnant or annihilation for wicked (no eternal hell).

After 1000 years post the second coming, there will be a new heavens and a new earth. The redeemed will live on the new earth for eternity... The meek shall inherit the earth. Heaven during the 1000 years is a temporary stay.
 

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@justbyfaith

As long as we believe the gospel as it is plainly written, without adding or subtracting from it, we will be saved; and those that hear us will be saved if we believe.

1 Peter 4:11 KJV
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The doctrine that you must believe Jesus is God to be saved is not speaking as the oracles of God, it’s the speaking of the teachings of man according to his own abilities.

That’s all.
 

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@justbyfaith

As long as we believe the gospel as it is plainly written, without adding or subtracting from it, we will be saved; and those that hear us will be saved if we believe.

1 Peter 4:11 KJV
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The doctrine that you must believe Jesus is God to be saved is not speaking as the oracles of God, it’s the speaking of the teachings of man according to his own abilities.

That’s all.

You have stated your opinion on the matter; and your opinion is duly noted. I will pray that the Holy Spirit will give you revelation on this so that you can be more effective as a witness to those who deny the doctrine of Christ's Deity or so that you can be a witness to them at all. For as long as you keep your unbiblical viewpoint, you will not see certain lost people as lost; and that may translate into complacency as concerning the action you might take to be able to save them.

It is in fact an oracle of God that those who deny Christ's Deity will die in their sins; for those words came directly out of the mouth of our Lord Jesus Christ and I don't know what can be more of an oracle of God than that.

For Jesus was clearly referring back to Exodus 3:14 in John 8:58 and in John 8:24; because the scribes and Pharisees were well aware of what that verse says, having been brought up studying the Torah. So the meaning was not lost on them; even if it is lost on you.
 

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I will pray that the Holy Spirit will give you revelation on this so that you can be more effective as a witness to those who deny the doctrine of Christ's Deity or so that you can be a witness to them at all. For as long as you keep your unbiblical viewpoint, you will not see certain lost people as lost; and that may translate into complacency as concerning the action you might take to be able to save them.

You know something, the Bible says you shall know people by their fruits.

The pride exhibited in your post is quite astonishing. To presume I am in error because I exercise caution and respect towards scripture in not reading beyond what is plainly stated in it, is shocking.

I am effective in witnessing for Christ because I preach the words of God as he stated them by his inspired writers; Nothing more, nothing less.

You have created doctrine out of scripture instead of learning doctrine out of them.

The whole point of the good news is that God sent his only begotten Son into the world to save sinners! If you do not believe this, you will die in your sins!

So if you want to change that into “Believe Jesus is God or die in your sins”, (based on an assumption of what you imagine what Christ supposedly said) have at it; but take heed to this warning:

Revelation 22:18 KJV
...If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

You are a great of example of one who has over studied to the point of error (like many in this haughty and prideful generation).

Ecclesiastes 7:16 KJV
Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?

You have been admonished.
 

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Now I will admonish you that there are people whom you are not going to see as lost because of what you believe, who are indeed lost; and as the result you are not going to be able to minister to them.

Again, I am going to pray that the Holy Ghost might reveal to you what you are not seeing in this piece of holy scripture.

Because what you are doing is arguing on the behalf of those who deny Christ's Deity that there is really no need for them to believe in Christ's Deity because from your perspective it is not an essential as concerning salvation.

But since it is an essential, you are giving them a false comfort and a false hope that they can be saved even apart from accepting the doctrine of Christ's Deity.

It is written,

Mk 4:36, And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships.

It is important that when we receive Christ, we receive Him as He is, therefore.

 

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Now I will admonish you that there are people whom you are not going to see as lost because of what you believe, who are indeed lost; and as the result you are not going to be able to minister to them.

Again, I am going to pray that the Holy Ghost might reveal to you what you are not seeing in this piece of holy scripture.

Because what you are doing is arguing on the behalf of those who deny Christ's Deity that there is really no need for them to believe in Christ's Deity because from your perspective it is not an essential as concerning salvation.

But since it is an essential, you are giving them a false comfort and a false hope that they can be saved even apart from accepting the doctrine of Christ's Deity.

It is written,

Mk 4:36, And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships.

It is important that when we receive Christ, we receive Him as He is, therefore.

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Pope Francis: There is more than one path to God
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Pope Francis says that there is more than one path to God. In his sermon during Sunday Mass the Pontiff said:

"We all know that many Christians - especially Protestants are taught that Jesus is the only way to God and that they must only pray to him because he said that he is the way the truth and the life and that nobody can come to the Father except through him. Well what you must know is that there is more to it than that. Think about it, if Jesus is the only way to God, then why isn't everybody Christian?"

The Leader of the of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics continued:

"Why is India predominantly Hindu? Why is Thailand mostly Buddhist? Are all of these people bad? Are they going to hell? The Bible tells us in 1 John 4:16 that God is love. That means that he loves us regardless of how we see him. Why is it always so difficult for Protestants to accept the fact that everybody is entitled to worship however they want to worship and that they are out of place to judge people based on their own interpretation of the Bible? How do they know if they are interpreting the Bible correctly?"

The Pontiff didn't let up as he went on:

"Protestants are always quick to criticize and judge people. Another thing that I can't seem to understand about Protestant teachers- especially those who call themselves Evangelicals is why is it that they are always angry? Has anyone ever listened to an Evangelical Pastor preach? They always seem to be in a rage."

Francis then referred to Catholics:

"We Catholics are very lucky. Or should I say blessed? We have so many Saints to intercede on our behalf. Not just Jesus. We have his mother the Virgin Mary who was born sinless and without whom he would not have been born. That's how important she is. Just think about it, if there was no Mary, there would be no Jesus. That is why it is imperative that we pray to her for her to take our petitions to Jesus. But it is not just Mother Mary. Throughout history many other people have obtained sainthood and it is important to our salvation that we pray to them too. In fact just this morning I offered a prayer to my patron Saint - Francis of Assisi and I am fully convinced that he heard me and that my prayer will be answered. So I just want you my children to know that there is more than one path to God. Not just through Jesus."

The Holy Father then concluded his sermon by warning his congregation about Protestants:

"But my dear children please be warned, there are many Protestants out there who are like wolves in sheep's clothing who will want to make you stray from the straight and narrow path by encouraging you to read and study the Bible on your own in order to confuse you. You must be wary of them and ask the Holy Mother through the daily recitations of the Rosary to give you the strength and wisdom to resist. May she continue to bless all of us
 

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OOPS . talk about ANOTHER GOSPLE , a false love . FOLLOW THE CATHOLIC CHURCH . NEVER . NEVER . FOLLOW JESUS AMEN .
 

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SOMEONE has to warn . So i am gonna do it . GET OUT OF ROME , FLEE any protestant church who even dares to speak of unity
with her . I DID what i could , so while it will cost me in the coming days , AT LEAST the blood of none will by on my hands .
I LOVED EVERYONE , SO I WARNED EVERYONE . FLEE HER and FLEE any who speaks of unity with her .
 

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When this new SODOM GOMORRA LAW passes , I will no longer be able to warn here . Cause
i will be banned . In order to keep a site open , you will not be able to allow folks to preach against certain sins
SO either leaders will sell out and ban folks like me , OR WE BETTER FIND US A PRIVATE PLACE where at least we can gather ,
while leaving this one open so we can witness for as long as we are able .