Who founded your church?

Renniks said:

Judge much? How ironic. Of course I talk to Jesus. I pray in his name. However, I don't use his name flippantly. If someone is his, his name has power to repel evil. If not, using his name is really blasphemy.

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Do you cast out devils saying, in the name of Jesus Christ or just think them out?

theefaith said:

you confuse redemption and justification

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Lol, you are the one who just told me abraham wasn't justified, I showed he was. I think you're confused.

theefaith said:

so until death no one is saved! Matt 24:13

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That's not even close to what I said.

Truther said:

Do you cast out devils saying, in the name of Jesus Christ or just think them out?

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I never said I cast out devils.
And the redeemed can rebuke demons in Jesus name. The unredeemed cannot. Even the diciples failed to at times. Why? Because of lack of faith. What does that tell you? It's not the words themselves that have power. Dunk the unbeliever, and say whatever you want over him, all you have is a wet sinner...

Renniks said:

I never said I cast out devils.
And the redeemed can rebuke demons in Jesus name. The unredeemed cannot. Even the diciples failed to at times. Why? Because of lack of faith. What does that tell you? It's not the words themselves that have power. Dunk the unbeliever, and say whatever you want over him, all you have is a wet sinner...

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We can rebuke devils in Jesus name but not baptize them in Jesus name?

Isn't water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins both word and deed?

The reason you "dunk your wet sinners" is because you are forbidden to say in the name of Jesus Christ, causing the remission of their sins during baptism.

Of course they are only wet.

And, after Pentecost, the disciples did not fail.

They had Acts 2:38 invoked over them.

Truther said:

I see how the RCC get's their infant baptism doctrine...by looking for folks that have NOT been mentioned in the Bible.
That is their pattern...extra Biblical commentary doctrines.

Slick!

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Hmmmmm - another admission that you FAILED to find me an example of an elderly person OR a deaf mute being Baptized.

Your idiotic house of cards has collapsed . . .

Truther said:

So, you turned Acts 2:38 into this....
38 Then Peter said unto the PARENTS, Repent FOR YOUR BABIES, and BAPTIZE every one of your BABIES in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of THEIR GOD AWEFUL SINS, and THEY shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost WITHOUT SPEAKING IN TONGUES OR ANY EVIDENCE.

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WHY would I need to do that, Einstein?
Peter mentions it in the very NEXT verse . . .

Acts 2:39
For the promise is for you and for your CHILDREN and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Ummmm, can you show me the verse where he says, "Oh - and ONLY the children that are from about the age of 10 and up."
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Truther said:

We can rebuke devils in Jesus name but not baptize them in Jesus name?

Isn't water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins both word and deed?

The reason you "dunk your wet sinners" is because you are forbidden to say in the name of Jesus Christ, causing the remission of their sins during baptism.

Of course they are only wet.

And, after Pentecost, the disciples did not fail.

They had Acts 2:38 invoked over them.

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Do you need to be shown again that "In the name of Jesus Christ" means "By the AUTHORITY of Jesus Christ"??
ALL of the following quotes are by Linguisitc authorities who are FAR more versed in language than yourself.

Here you go - AGAIN, Einstein . . .

According to English Language & Usage Stack Exchange/:
Putting all religious contentions aside for the sake of our language, the etymology of name offers a good place to start understanding: Old English nama, noma "name, REPUTATION," from Proto-Germanic *namon
(cognates: Old Saxon namo, Old Frisian nama, Old High German namo, German Name, Middle Dutch name, Dutch naam, Old Norse nafn, Gothic namo "name"), from PIE *nomn- (cognates: Sanskrit nama; Avestan nama; Greek onoma, onyma; Latin nomen; Old Church Slavonic ime, genitive imene; Russian imya; Old Irish ainm; Old Welsh anu "name").

In all cultures, people of authority have always lent their REPUTATION and their AUTHORITY to their delegates. The founders and leaders of religious movements use the same delegation strategies as the founders and leaders of nations. The English phrase in the name of simply asserts the REPUTATION and AUTHORITY of another person.

English Reports Annotated - Pages 1505-2672, 1505, page 2048:
...an action on a board given to trustees of an industrial society before the act may, after registration under the act, be brought in the name of the newly -incorporated body.


Meaning of the phrase, “In the name of”"
Macmillan Dictionary
1. representing someone or something
2. using the authority given by someone or something

Collins Dictionary
1. in appeal or reference to
2. by the authority of; as the representative of

Idioms.TheReferenceDictionary.com
1. Based on the authority of someone or something. We proclaim these things in the name of God. In the name of King John, I command you to halt.
2. With someone or something as a basis, reason, or motivation.

Thesaurus.com
- through - at the hand of
- supported by - through the agency of
- via - with
- through the medium of
- under the aegis of
- with the assistance of

OUCH!!!
That's gotta hurt . . .

Behold said:

Then you are in the dark.

What do you think that Cross is all about?
Water?

"without the shedding of BLOOD, there is no forgiveness, no remission, of sin".

Every heard of the Blood Atonment?
No?
Oh thats right, you're water cult... and that programs you to be all about Mary and cookies, and water.

God came to shed his Blood for the sin of the world, and you've never heard of this...
Thats some testimony you are offering for the "Cult of the Virgin".
Its really beyond sad.

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Ummmm.....nope. No darkness here. The scripture i gave you shined a bright light on your anti-biblical teaching.

Just because Jesus shed his blood for us doesn’t mean that baptismal regeneration written in scripture is cancelled out. They can both be true. I know you want to ignore it and make fun of the Apostles and 1st century Christians who were baptized with water by calling them....in a derogatory manner a “water cult”. How sad for you that you are making fun of What the Apostles taught and practiced and what Jesus did (baptized with water).

If you don’t want to be like Him then don’t....Just stop trying to drag others down with you...Please!

WORLD POLITICS
Pope Francis: There is more than one path to God

BY JOHNSALAZAR1980


FEBRUARY 22, 2017
6 COMMENT(S)
REPORT STORY
Pope Francis says that there is more than one path to God. In his sermon during Sunday Mass the Pontiff said:

"We all know that many Christians - especially Protestants are taught that Jesus is the only way to God and that they must only pray to him because he said that he is the way the truth and the life and that nobody can come to the Father except through him. Well what you must know is that there is more to it than that. Think about it, if Jesus is the only way to God, then why isn't everybody Christian?"

The Leader of the of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics continued:

"Why is India predominantly Hindu? Why is Thailand mostly Buddhist? Are all of these people bad? Are they going to hell? The Bible tells us in 1 John 4:16 that God is love. That means that he loves us regardless of how we see him. Why is it always so difficult for Protestants to accept the fact that everybody is entitled to worship however they want to worship and that they are out of place to judge people based on their own interpretation of the Bible? How do they know if they are interpreting the Bible correctly?"

The Pontiff didn't let up as he went on:

"Protestants are always quick to criticize and judge people. Another thing that I can't seem to understand about Protestant teachers- especially those who call themselves Evangelicals is why is it that they are always angry? Has anyone ever listened to an Evangelical Pastor preach? They always seem to be in a rage."

Francis then referred to Catholics:

"We Catholics are very lucky. Or should I say blessed? We have so many Saints to intercede on our behalf. Not just Jesus. We have his mother the Virgin Mary who was born sinless and without whom he would not have been born. That's how important she is. Just think about it, if there was no Mary, there would be no Jesus. That is why it is imperative that we pray to her for her to take our petitions to Jesus. But it is not just Mother Mary. Throughout history many other people have obtained sainthood and it is important to our salvation that we pray to them too. In fact just this morning I offered a prayer to my patron Saint - Francis of Assisi and I am fully convinced that he heard me and that my prayer will be answered. So I just want you my children to know that there is more than one path to God. Not just through Jesus."

The Holy Father then concluded his sermon by warning his congregation about Protestants:

"But my dear children please be warned, there are many Protestants out there who are like wolves in sheep's clothing who will want to make you stray from the straight and narrow path by encouraging you to read and study the Bible on your own in order to confuse you. You must be wary of them and ask the Holy Mother through the daily recitations of the Rosary to give you the strength and wisdom to resist. May she continue to bless all of us
THERES YOUR CATHOLIC HEAD . UNITY WITH THIS , NEVER . NEVER .

follow that . NEVER .

marksman said:

Justification has nothing at all to do with salvation.

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Welllll, I wouldn't say nothing. But certainly justification doesn't guarantee salvation. Christ died for all men, and in that sense "saved"the whole world, but we know not all will in the end be saved.

BreadOfLife said:

Hmmmmm - another admission that you FAILED to find me an example of an elderly person OR a deaf mute being Baptized.

Your idiotic house of cards has collapsed . . .

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The Bible is an idiotic house of cards?

I looked there to no avail.

Shame on you for calling it that.

It also does not say the disciples preached to dogs and cats, though Jesus said to preach to every creature.

Oh, no. I gave the RCC a new doctrine.

BreadOfLife said:

WHY would I need to do that, Einstein?
Peter mentions it in the very NEXT verse . . .

Acts 2:39
For the promise is for you and for your CHILDREN and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Ummmm, can you show me the verse where he says, "Oh - and ONLY the children that are from about the age of 10 and up."
I didn't think so . . .

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I have 2 children that are 31 and 33 years old.

How old are your children?

BreadOfLife said:

Do you need to be shown again that "In the name of Jesus Christ" means "By the AUTHORITY of Jesus Christ"??
ALL of the following quotes are by Linguisitc authorities who are FAR more versed in language than yourself.

Here you go - AGAIN, Einstein . . .

According to English Language & Usage Stack Exchange/:
Putting all religious contentions aside for the sake of our language, the etymology of name offers a good place to start understanding: Old English nama, noma "name, REPUTATION," from Proto-Germanic *namon
(cognates: Old Saxon namo, Old Frisian nama, Old High German namo, German Name, Middle Dutch name, Dutch naam, Old Norse nafn, Gothic namo "name"), from PIE *nomn- (cognates: Sanskrit nama; Avestan nama; Greek onoma, onyma; Latin nomen; Old Church Slavonic ime, genitive imene; Russian imya; Old Irish ainm; Old Welsh anu "name").

In all cultures, people of authority have always lent their REPUTATION and their AUTHORITY to their delegates. The founders and leaders of religious movements use the same delegation strategies as the founders and leaders of nations. The English phrase in the name of simply asserts the REPUTATION and AUTHORITY of another person.

English Reports Annotated - Pages 1505-2672, 1505, page 2048:
...an action on a board given to trustees of an industrial society before the act may, after registration under the act, be brought in the name of the newly -incorporated body.


Meaning of the phrase, “In the name of”"
Macmillan Dictionary
1. representing someone or something
2. using the authority given by someone or something

Collins Dictionary
1. in appeal or reference to
2. by the authority of; as the representative of

Idioms.TheReferenceDictionary.com
1. Based on the authority of someone or something. We proclaim these things in the name of God. In the name of King John, I command you to halt.
2. With someone or something as a basis, reason, or motivation.

Thesaurus.com
- through - at the hand of
- supported by - through the agency of
- via - with
- through the medium of
- under the aegis of
- with the assistance of

OUCH!!!
That's gotta hurt . . .

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Don't show me, show Peter and Paul.

They were the ones that advocated baptism "in the name of Jesus Christ", specifically.

Debunk them, not me. I just follow their words.

Oh, I see, you have been debunking them for decades.

My bad.

theefaith said:

Macy’s 2:39 this promise (sacrament or sacred oath) is to your CHILDREN!!!

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Huh?

Truther said:

The Bible is an idiotic house of cards?
I looked there to no avail.
Shame on you for calling it that.

It also does not say the disciples preached to dogs and cats, though Jesus said to preach to every creature.
Oh, no. I gave the RCC a new doctrine.

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No - YOUR rejection of Baptism is an idiotic house of cards.
Get your story straight . . .

I have 2 children that are 31 and 33 years old.

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I have an adult daughter who was Baptized when she was less than a month old - because Acts 2:39 said that the promise of the Holy Spirit was for HER as well.

STUDY your Bible, dudue . . .