Why does God allow suffering?

pittsburghjoe · Feb 26, 2021

For us to know God is for God to know us.

God doesn't want to experience the sin in sinners, so He limits His own knowledge and allows this fallen place to exist. No one wants to admit to satan being the ruler and having authority. satan will be dethroned, but not yet. Jesus removed satan’s claim on us as long as we acknowledge what Jesus did on the cross.

Bad things happen because we asked to be here following satan and to be about ourselves separated from God.

God is only going to allow the people He knows into Heaven, so stop sinning.

pittsburghjoe · Feb 26, 2021

Quantum Entanglement sure seems to behave exactly how I would expect becoming one with God to entail.
We are separated from God ..we are trying to become entangled again.

kcnalp · Feb 26, 2021

Read the Book of Job.

Hidden In Him · Feb 26, 2021

In answer to your question, because "Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Willingly suffering for the Lord is proof of our love for Him. Like Job said, "Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and not receive trouble?” No one proves their love for anyone through how many benefits they receive from them. They prove their love for them by how much they are willing to suffer and even die for them.

God bless,
-H

pittsburghjoe · Feb 27, 2021

What if God can come back and know something after it happened because He had limited Himself the first time? Does the mean God can still be all knowing and give us the ammo to answer why bad things happen here?

pittsburghjoe · Feb 27, 2021

Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!

Hidden In Him · Feb 27, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
What if God can come back and know something after it happened because He had limited Himself the first time?

pittsburghjoe said:
Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!

Different sense. in Matthew 7:23, He's communicating that there was never a bond of close fellowship to begin with, and their relationship with Him was always false.

About your concept, I suppose it is possible yes. But it's let's say... a bit "out there" a ways, LoL. It would take me some time wrapping my head around it.

Where did you get this? Something you read, or just something you've toyed around with in your own mind for awhile?

pittsburghjoe · Feb 27, 2021

I'm on the forefront of destroying excuses for not believing. Evolution as an excuse is no more.

Hidden In Him · Feb 27, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
I'm on the forefront of destroying excuses for not believing. Evolution as an excuse is no more.

Ok.

Let me just speak my mind while not necessarily endorsing your theory. There are a few passages that say some rather curious things. For instance, in the Sodom and Gomorrah account, the tradition is that the angels were sent there to see if what had ascended to God in prayer about them was true (Genesis 18:21). Raises the question as to how would God not know already if He were Omnipresent. There was another passage that came to mind as well, but I don't remember it atm.

But again, I've never gotten an answer on it, and I'm not fully sure yours would be the right one. But it's interesting.

TLHKAJ · Feb 27, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
What if God can come back and know something after it happened because He had limited Himself the first time? Does the mean God can still be all knowing and give us the ammo to answer why bad things happen here?

Hidden In Him said:
Different sense. in Matthew 7:23, He's communicating that there was never a bond of close fellowship to begin with, and their relationship with Him was always false.

About your concept, I suppose it is possible yes. But it's let's say... a bit "out there" a ways, LoL. It would take me some time wrapping my head around it.

Where did you get this? Something you read, or just something you've toyed around with in your own mind for awhile?

Actually, it's not possible because God knew the ending from the beginning.

Isaiah 46:9-10 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ⁹ Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, ¹⁰ Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Hidden In Him · Feb 27, 2021

TLHKAJ said:
Actually, it's not possible because God knew the ending from the beginning.

Isaiah 46:9-10 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ⁹ Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, ¹⁰ Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Hi sister.

I don't think His being in control is in question (although he would have to answer for himself). I think he is suggesting deliberately limiting how much He knows about certain things.

Again, not subscribing. Just seeing where it goes in discussion.

pittsburghjoe · Feb 27, 2021

TLHKAJ said:
Actually, it's not possible because God knew the ending from the beginning.

Isaiah 46:9-10 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ⁹ Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, ¹⁰ Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

There is a difference between knowing the outcome and knowing every step there.

pittsburghjoe · Feb 27, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Ok.

Let me just speak my mind while not necessarily endorsing your theory. There are a few passages that say some rather curious things. For instance, in the Sodom and Gomorrah account, the tradition is that the angels were sent there to see if what had ascended to God in prayer about them was true (Genesis 18:21). Raises the question as to how would God not know already if He were Omnipresent. There was another passage that came to mind as well, but I don't remember it atm.

But again, I've never gotten an answer on it, and I'm not fully sure yours would be the right one. But it's interesting.

Thank you for this example. Check this one out:

Tell me why God would bother talking to Satan?

The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it." Job 1:7

TLHKAJ · Feb 27, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
There is a difference between knowing the outcome and knowing every step there.

His intervention does require our invitation. There is the law of reaping and sowing that He has put in place, as well as that we are all born into a fallen world with all sorts of generational sins passed down.

Now, there are all sorts of questions about legal ground and why parents can open doors that allow evil things to happen to children. I have gone over a lot of these questions with the Lord because of my personal history. Idk if I should even bring it up because it may cause even more questions. (I have discussed it at length with a couple friends, as well as fellow survivors of satanic ritual abuse and MK Ultra.)

Hidden In Him · Feb 27, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
Thank you for this example. Check this one out:

Tell me why God would bother talking to Satan?

The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it." Job 1:7

Well now this one is easier. I take it that the Lord was simply drawing him out, as in knowing why he was there, but wanting him to speak it out of his mouth for everyone else to hear. Like a conversation starter.

But the Sodom and Gomorrah one is there, and I don't have an answer for it yet.

TLHKAJ · Feb 27, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:
Thank you for this example. Check this one out:

Tell me why God would bother talking to Satan?

The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it." Job 1:7

Asking satan a question doesn't require that God didn't know the answer. It just required satan to give account of his doings and also, it is now there for our understanding.

TLHKAJ · Feb 27, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
But the Sodom and Gomorrah one is there, and I don't have an answer for it yet.[/QUOTE]
Exactly...key word, "yet."
We know that God's knowledge is so detailed and minute that He even knows the number of hairs on our heads. So if we take all of scripture together, we get a clearer picture. And where there seems to be a contradiction, there is something missing in our understanding, and an opportunity to seek out the answer (according to His understanding and not according to our own understanding).

pittsburghjoe · Feb 27, 2021

TLHKAJ said:
His intervention does require our invitation. There is the law of reaping and sowing that He has put in place, as well as that we are all born into a fallen world with all sorts of generational sins passed down.

Now, there are all sorts of questions about legal ground and why parents can open doors that allow evil things to happen to children. I have gone over a lot of these questions with the Lord because of my personal history. Idk if I should even bring it up because it may cause even more questions. (I have discussed it at length with a couple friends, as well as fellow survivors of satanic ritual abuse and MK Ultra.)

That sounds horrific. I'm sorry that happened to you. This fallen reality is temporary. God will know the situations we were put in at Judgement. I'm just saying, sin, in real-time doesn't have to be a thing for God. Otherwise, He would have prevented that from happening to you. We all are separated from God in this place.

pittsburghjoe · Feb 27, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Well now this one is easier. I take it that the Lord was simply drawing him out, as in knowing why he was there, but wanting him to speak it out of his mouth for everyone else to hear. Like a conversation starter.

But the Sodom and Gomorrah one is there, and I don't have an answer for it yet.

Sorry, I don't buy that. What good did that information do us?

Why did God ask Adam and Eve "Who told you that you were naked?"

April_Rose · Feb 27, 2021

To the OP good question as I don't really know, but thankfully God does and I do know that He knows better than me.

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