Who founded your church?

Truther said:

Don't show me, show Peter and Paul.
They were the ones that advocated baptism "in the name of Jesus Christ", specifically.

Debunk them, not me. I just follow their words.
Oh, I see, you have been debunking them for decades.

My bad.

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No - Peter and Paul knew precisely that baptizing "In the name of Christ" was to baptize by the AUTHOITY of Jesus Christ.

YOU'RE the one who's confused about it - not Peter and Paul . . .

BreadOfLife said:

No - YOUR rejection of Baptism is an idiotic house of cards.
Get your story straight . . .

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You have me crossed with someone else.

I insist on water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ exclusively FOR the remission of sins.

BreadOfLife said:

I have 2 children that are 31 and 33 years old.

How old are your children?

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I have an adult daughter who was Baptized when she was less than a month old - because Acts 2:39 said that the promise of the Holy Spirit was for HER as well.

STUDY your Bible, dudue . . .[/QUOTE]
You adult daughter is your child and will never cease to be your child.

Correct?

BreadOfLife said:

No - Peter and Paul knew precisely that baptizing "In the name of Christ" was to baptize by the AUTHOITY of Jesus Christ.

YOU'RE the one who's confused about it - not Peter and Paul . . .

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The authority comes exclusively by speaking the name of Jesus Christ.

The Apostles had no personal power, but as they spoke the name(Jesus) of the God inside them that had all power, the God inside them did the remitting of sins per water baptism, also signs and wonders.

Truther said:

You have me crossed with someone else.
I insist on water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ exclusively FOR the remission of sins.

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You deny it for children and claim tht the Bible gives an age requirement - when it doesn't.

That is a rejection of the teaching of Baptism.

Truther said:

The authority comes exclusively by speaking the name of Jesus Christ.

The Apostles had no personal power, but as they spoke the name(Jesus) of the God inside them that had all power, the God inside them did the remitting of sins per water baptism, also signs and wonders.

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WRONG - that's NOT what Jesus said.
Jesus said to Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

And before you ask me what the name of the Father and Holy Spirit are - we use the very SAME names that Jesus did in EVERY refernece to them in the Gospels:
"Father" and "Holy Spirit".

Also - Jesus NEVER refers to Himself as "Jesus" in the NT.
He refers to Himself as "the SON", SON of God" or "SON of man".

OUCH!!
That's gotta hurt . . .

Truther said:

You adult daughter is your child and will never cease to be your child.

Correct?

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Until we're in Heaven - then she'll be related to me in the very SAME way as my mother, wife, brother, etc.

amigo de christo said:

follow that . NEVER .

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1. CHRISTIAN: A Christian is any person who has received a Trinitarian baptism. Trinitarian baptisms, done in the “Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit” are essentially Catholic baptisms, and are fully recognized by the Catholic Church as 100% valid. A Trinitarian baptism performed in a Baptist Church (for example) is just as “Catholic” as one performed in the Catholic Church. This is why candidates from Protestantism are not “re-baptized” upon entering the Catholic Church. Their baptisms in their Protestant churches are considered fully valid and Catholic. What Protestants usually lack are the sacraments of Reconciliation, Confirmation and Holy Eucharist, as well as a Catholic profession of faith. However, their baptisms are fully Catholic. So, in review, a Trinitarian baptism is a Catholic baptism, and that’s what makes you a Christian. It all starts there. Essentially, a Christian is a baptized Catholic, but that doesn’t mean a Christian will remain Catholic.
2. CATHOLIC: A Catholic is any person who has received a Trinitarian baptism, as well as the sacraments of Confirmation and Eucharist in the Catholic Church, and is in communion with the Bishop of Rome (Pope), as evidenced by accepting all the teachings of the Catholic Church (a profession of faith). This is important. What makes you a Catholic is not just the sacraments or saying you’re in communion with the Pope. These things are part of it, but the real key is accepting all the teachings of the Catholic Church. One can be an active Catholic, or a lapsed Catholic, but so long as one still accepts the teachings of the Catholic Church, one is still Catholic.
3. PROTESTANT: A Protestant is any person who has received Trinitarian baptism and still believes in the Trinity (making him/her technically a “baptized Catholic” or “Christian”), but who simultaneously rejects some or most of the teachings of the Catholic Church. This is the very definition of the word “Protestant” which means “one who protests.” The word “protest” is written right into the word “PROTESTant.” This is important, because a Protestant is always a “baptized Catholic” or “Christian,” meaning one who received a Trinitarian baptism and still believes in the Trinity, but rejects other Catholic teachings. It doesn’t really matter what these teachings are. It could be teachings about the Pope, Eucharist, Saints, Purgatory, or such things as artificial contraception, abortion, homosexuality, same-sex “marriage,” and female ordination. If one “protests” Catholic teaching on these things, one ceases to be Catholic and becomes PROTESTant.

Understanding these terms is important. This is why Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses are not Protestants. They’re not Protestants because they don’t have Trinitarian (Catholic) baptism. They reject the teaching of the Trinity, and they don’t baptize in the Name of the Trinity. Therefore, they lack a proper Catholic baptism. This means they’re not technically Christians either, in a doctrinal sense, because as the definition of the word “Christian” above states: “A Christian is any person who has received a Trinitarian (Catholic) baptism” and professes faith in the Trinitarian God. There are basically only three types of Christians in the world…

1. CATHOLIC — A validly baptized person who accepts the teachings of the Catholic Church and submits to the authority of the Pope.
2. ORTHODOX — A validly baptized person who accepts the teachings of the Catholic Church but does not submit to the authority of the Pope. This is known as schism.
3. PROTESTANT — A validly baptized person who does not accept the teachings of the Catholic Church. This is known as heresy. And does not submit to the authority of the Pope. This is known as schism.

So Orthodox Christians are basically Catholics who are in schism with the pope. While Protestant Christians are basically Catholics who “protest” Catholic teaching (heresy) and are also in schism with the pope.

Understanding this is important when dealing with Orthodox and Protestant Christians. While Orthodox Christians usually know the Catholic Church accepts their Trinitarian baptisms as fully valid and “Catholic,” most Protestants are completely unaware of this. Pointing it out to them can be an ice-breaker. For example; when a Protestant says “I’ll never be Catholic,” a good comeback can be: “Technically you already are at some level. You’ve received a Catholic baptism, and the Catholic Church recognizes that. So it’s like you’ve already got your foot in the door. That Trinitarian baptism ties you to the Catholic Church like a boat moored to a dock. You can’t leave the Catholic Church entirely unless you cut the mooring of your Trinitarian baptism, but if you do that you’ll cease to be Christian as well.”

As you can imagine, a comeback like that throws them on their heels. The concept of being connected, or tied, to the Catholic Church probably never occurred to them before. Now depending on how anti-Catholic they are, they may or may not accept this. But it doesn’t matter. The seed has been planted, and if it doesn’t sprout in their minds, it might sprout in others who overheard it.

This is an important clarification that came out of the Second Vatican Council, but Vatican II did not invent it. It was taught prior to the council, by popes and bishops, and even in some catechisms. But it wasn’t clearly defined until the Second Vatican Council. I know some Catholics have a problem with Vatican II, and truth be told, I have some minor problems with it too. But I’m not in the habit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I interpret Vatican II within the Hermeneutic of Continuity, as Pope Paul VI and Pope Benedict XVI taught us. There is no other valid interpretation of Vatican II. It must be in continuity with the historical Church, and this teaching about Protestants and baptism is.

If we think of the Catholic Church like a dock, then Catholics are those people freely walking up and down the dock on to shore. Orthodox Christians are like boats fully docked to the dock, like being berthed in a boat slip, tied on all corners and secured. While Protestant Christians are moored to the dock, tied on one end (usually by the bow of the boat), to a post on the dock. The stern of the boat may move about, and be unsecured, but the boat is still tied (moored), at least on one end, to something on the dock, or something connected to the dock. The connection is real and it is secure. The boat may move about much more than one that is fully docked or berthed, but it’s still attached to the dock.

Understanding Terms: Christian, Catholic & Protestant – Complete Christianity

Truther said:

The reason you "dunk your wet sinners" is because you are forbidden to say in the name of Jesus Christ,

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What? Who are you talking to?

amigo de christo said:

WORLD POLITICS
Pope Francis: There is more than one path to God

BY JOHNSALAZAR1980


FEBRUARY 22, 2017
6 COMMENT(S)
REPORT STORY
Pope Francis says that there is more than one path to God. In his sermon during Sunday Mass the Pontiff said:

"We all know that many Christians - especially Protestants are taught that Jesus is the only way to God and that they must only pray to him because he said that he is the way the truth and the life and that nobody can come to the Father except through him. Well what you must know is that there is more to it than that. Think about it, if Jesus is the only way to God, then why isn't everybody Christian?"

The Leader of the of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics continued:

"Why is India predominantly Hindu? Why is Thailand mostly Buddhist? Are all of these people bad? Are they going to hell? The Bible tells us in 1 John 4:16 that God is love. That means that he loves us regardless of how we see him. Why is it always so difficult for Protestants to accept the fact that everybody is entitled to worship however they want to worship and that they are out of place to judge people based on their own interpretation of the Bible? How do they know if they are interpreting the Bible correctly?"

The Pontiff didn't let up as he went on:

"Protestants are always quick to criticize and judge people. Another thing that I can't seem to understand about Protestant teachers- especially those who call themselves Evangelicals is why is it that they are always angry? Has anyone ever listened to an Evangelical Pastor preach? They always seem to be in a rage."

Francis then referred to Catholics:

"We Catholics are very lucky. Or should I say blessed? We have so many Saints to intercede on our behalf. Not just Jesus. We have his mother the Virgin Mary who was born sinless and without whom he would not have been born. That's how important she is. Just think about it, if there was no Mary, there would be no Jesus. That is why it is imperative that we pray to her for her to take our petitions to Jesus. But it is not just Mother Mary. Throughout history many other people have obtained sainthood and it is important to our salvation that we pray to them too. In fact just this morning I offered a prayer to my patron Saint - Francis of Assisi and I am fully convinced that he heard me and that my prayer will be answered. So I just want you my children to know that there is more than one path to God. Not just through Jesus."

The Holy Father then concluded his sermon by warning his congregation about Protestants:

"But my dear children please be warned, there are many Protestants out there who are like wolves in sheep's clothing who will want to make you stray from the straight and narrow path by encouraging you to read and study the Bible on your own in order to confuse you. You must be wary of them and ask the Holy Mother through the daily recitations of the Rosary to give you the strength and wisdom to resist. May she continue to bless all of us
THERES YOUR CATHOLIC HEAD . UNITY WITH THIS , NEVER . NEVER .

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Soooo, i the depths of your pathetic ignorance - you DIDN'T take time to read the small print - DID you.
This website, "LaughsEnd" is a PARODY site - and ALL of the articles are written by the READERS. Try Googling any of the "quotes" and you'll find that they ONLY come from this site, Einstiein.

There is NO truth in what you posted above - as it was MADE UP by somebody who frequesnts the site.
Here is the DICLAIMER from the site itself:

"Laughsend is a spoof news magazine written by YOU, the public. We aim to mock, lampoon and subvert all the usual forms of news magazine and website, and publish the very best humor, satire, and jokes, that its possible to cram onto one website.
The stories you see on this site are written entirely by people like yourself - we don't let the bad stories in! If you're interested in writing stories and seeing them here, click here."

Now - are you going to apologize for LYING - or should we just chalk this up to another ignorant anti-Catholic slur??

amigo de christo said:

WORLD POLITICS
Pope Francis: There is more than one path to God

BY JOHNSALAZAR1980


FEBRUARY 22, 2017
6 COMMENT(S)
REPORT STORY
Pope Francis says that there is more than one path to God. In his sermon during Sunday Mass the Pontiff said:

"We all know that many Christians - especially Protestants are taught that Jesus is the only way to God and that they must only pray to him because he said that he is the way the truth and the life and that nobody can come to the Father except through him. Well what you must know is that there is more to it than that. Think about it, if Jesus is the only way to God, then why isn't everybody Christian?"

The Leader of the of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics continued:

"Why is India predominantly Hindu? Why is Thailand mostly Buddhist? Are all of these people bad? Are they going to hell? The Bible tells us in 1 John 4:16 that God is love. That means that he loves us regardless of how we see him. Why is it always so difficult for Protestants to accept the fact that everybody is entitled to worship however they want to worship and that they are out of place to judge people based on their own interpretation of the Bible? How do they know if they are interpreting the Bible correctly?"

The Pontiff didn't let up as he went on:

"Protestants are always quick to criticize and judge people. Another thing that I can't seem to understand about Protestant teachers- especially those who call themselves Evangelicals is why is it that they are always angry? Has anyone ever listened to an Evangelical Pastor preach? They always seem to be in a rage."

Francis then referred to Catholics:

"We Catholics are very lucky. Or should I say blessed? We have so many Saints to intercede on our behalf. Not just Jesus. We have his mother the Virgin Mary who was born sinless and without whom he would not have been born. That's how important she is. Just think about it, if there was no Mary, there would be no Jesus. That is why it is imperative that we pray to her for her to take our petitions to Jesus. But it is not just Mother Mary. Throughout history many other people have obtained sainthood and it is important to our salvation that we pray to them too. In fact just this morning I offered a prayer to my patron Saint - Francis of Assisi and I am fully convinced that he heard me and that my prayer will be answered. So I just want you my children to know that there is more than one path to God. Not just through Jesus."

The Holy Father then concluded his sermon by warning his congregation about Protestants:

"But my dear children please be warned, there are many Protestants out there who are like wolves in sheep's clothing who will want to make you stray from the straight and narrow path by encouraging you to read and study the Bible on your own in order to confuse you. You must be wary of them and ask the Holy Mother through the daily recitations of the Rosary to give you the strength and wisdom to resist. May she continue to bless all of us
THERES YOUR CATHOLIC HEAD . UNITY WITH THIS , NEVER . NEVER .

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"Laughsend" is not a factual source, it's more satire, like the Onion or Babylon Bee. These so called words of the pope can't be found anywhere else. It's fake.

BreadOfLife said:

You deny it for children and claim tht the Bible gives an age requirement - when it doesn't.

That is a rejection of the teaching of Baptism.

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Babies need not repent, nor are they full of sin.

Were you a sinner baby that needed repentance and baptism in Jesus name for the remission of your sins?

Were you Rosemary's baby or something?

BreadOfLife said:

WRONG - that's NOT what Jesus said.
Jesus said to Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

And before you ask me what the name of the Father and Holy Spirit are - we use the very SAME names that Jesus did in EVERY refernece to them in the Gospels:
"Father" and "Holy Spirit".

Also - Jesus NEVER refers to Himself as "Jesus" in the NT.
He refers to Himself as "the SON", SON of God" or "SON of man".

OUCH!!
That's gotta hurt . . .

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Let me help you here....

Jesus said "I am come in my Father's name", and, he inherited his name from his Father(Heb 1:4).

The name of the son is Jesus.(only a Catholic would say the son's name is "son").

Jesus said "the Holy Ghost would be sent in my name".

So, Peter knew the name(singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost was Jesus Christ.

That is why everyone that was baptized AFTER Matt 28:19 was commanded, was always and only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

But along came the RCC saying the son's name is "son"....LOL

BreadOfLife said:

Until we're in Heaven - then she'll be related to me in the very SAME way as my mother, wife, brother, etc.

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When did your adult daughter cease to be your child?

Renniks said:

What? Who are you talking to?

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You.

theefaith said:

Sorry spell checker did it again
Acts 2:39

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Great verse.

theefaith said:

define them please?

redemption
Justification
Sanctification
Salvation

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Define them? What sort of question is that?