JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

Gregory · Feb 26, 2021

101G said:
that so full of holes, till it's ashame.
only the Lord Jesus sits on the throne. Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

Revelation 4:10 "The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying," Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
this is the Lord Jesus the Son, the ordinal Last.

Do you think I am unaware of Revelations 4 and the beauty of the 'one that sat on the throne'????

As you do, you do not tell the whole story, only the part that fits your agenda. Let me tell you the rest of the story. You will need to read further on in Revelations to chapter 5. Starting in verse 1:
Revelation 5:1 King James Version (KJV)
5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

So 'the one that sat on the throne' had a book in his right hand. Tell me who is sitting on the throne? Be careful because the answer is later in chapter 5.

We will soon meet another person that will take the book out of the right hand of 'the one that sat on the throne'. But first read this:
Revelation 5:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

So here is the set up. 'The one sitting on the throne' has a book in his right hand, but there is nobody that can open the seals of the book to read it, except someone called the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David. In verse 6, this person is called the Lamb. This person can open the book and read.
Who is this Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, and the Lamb?

And now the conclusion:
Revelation 5:6-7 King James Version (KJV)
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

So 'the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David and the Lamb', came forward unto the throne and took the book out of the right hand of
'him that sat upon the throne'.

I am going to tell you who the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, and the Lamb, who took the book out of the right hand of 'him that sat upon the throne' is. This person is Jesus. Not hard to guess, right?

Now you tell me, who is 'the one that sat upon the throne' and reached out his right hand and gave the book to Jesus? You will have to admit that this event makes it look a whole lot like Jesus, taking the book, and 'the one that sat upon the throne and giving the book, have to be 2 separate and distinct persons. Right?

I will address the verbiage 'in the midst of the throne', just in case you are thinking that Jesus was somehow sitting in the midst of the throne with God, and they were the same person. No. Jesus not only sat in the midst of the throne, but also was in the midst of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders.
The verbiage is such that Jesus was surrounded by the throne and the 'the one that sat upon the throne', the 4 beasts, and the elders.
IOW Jesus stood in the middle of them all. IOW if Jesus was ' the one that sat upon the throne', who recieved the book from 'the one that sat upon the throne'?

The question again is: Who do you think is 'the one that sat upon the throne'?

are you serious?, if the Lord Jesus is the Mighty God there is no other, you have two separate Gods, plain and simple. that's anti bible. you have lost it.

God the Father is the Mighty God. God the Son is the Mighty God. God the Holy Spirit is the Mighty God. All 3 have the name of the Mighty God. They are one in purpose, fully united in the cause of the salvation of man.[/QUOTE]

101G · Feb 26, 2021

GINOLJC, to all,

Gregory said:
Now you tell me, who is 'the one that sat upon the throne' and reached out his right hand and gave the book to Jesus? You will have to admit that this event makes it look a whole lot like Jesus, taking the book, and 'the one that sat upon the throne and giving the book, have to be 2 separate and distinct persons. Right?

WRONG, see Old 101G has been down this road.... the One who sits on the throne is Jesus the Ordinal Last the Son. NOT the one whom you calls the Father, How do 101G know this? answer, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
now brother Gregory, if the one who sits on the THRONE that "RECIEVED" POWER is the Father, so please post the book the chapter, and the verse with the name of the ONE who gave ... the Father "POWER". because I thought/believe that he, the Father, had all POWER...

YIKES! so the Book and Name please. if you can come up with someone GREATER than the Father, please post it.

but let us reveal something to you. keep this a secret ok, .. hush.... THE ONE WHO SITS ON THE THRONE, IS THE SAME ONE WHO TOOK THE BOOK OUT OF THE ONE HAND WHO SIT ON THE THRONE...... my God...

YIKES! ... ain't "diversity" great.... yea....

see diversity will get you every time... Oh my God when will all of your children will come to the KNOWLRDGE of your LIVING "TRUTH". Lord Jesus I ask in your Name, do not give these a miscarrying womb nor dry breasts. but give them an understand heart, and a mind to comprehend thy Word, your TRUTH. thanks, amen.

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kcnalp · Feb 26, 2021

101G said:
GINOLJC, to all.
Judgment day? we will see who is ignorant. ok, Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"
Philippians 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

now this,
Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
Isaiah 45:24 "Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed."
Isaiah 45:25 "In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory."

kcnalp, kcnalp, oh kcnalp, who is this in Isaiah 45:23? "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
if you didn't know it, "swear" here is ....... "CONFESS"........... YIKES!. Romans 14:11 "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." wait! said the Lord? ........ (smile)....lol.

now a revelation, Isaiah 45:23, "I have sworn by myself?". where have we heard these words before? Hebrews 6:13 "For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself," Uh O ..... BINGO, the same one Person.

see, you're still ignorant, even until JUDGEMENT...... YIKES!... Revelation 22:11 "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."

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Only Satan's children refuse to "confess that Jesus is the Son of God". Why do you refuse?

101G · Feb 26, 2021

kcnalp said:
Only Satan's children refuse to "confess that Jesus is the Son of God". Why do you refuse?

so are you saying that YOU are one of Satan Children? ...

...................... NEXT.

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kcnalp · Feb 26, 2021

101G said:
so are you saying that YOU are one of Satan Children? ... ...................... NEXT.

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Whopper alert!!!
Jesus is the Son of God. Your turn.

Gregory · Feb 27, 2021

101G said:
GINOLJC, to all,

WRONG, see Old 101G has been down this road.... the One who sits on the throne is Jesus the Ordinal Last the Son. NOT the one whom you calls the Father, How do 101G know this? answer, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
now brother Gregory, if the one who sits on the THRONE that "RECIEVED" POWER is the Father, so please post the book the chapter, and the verse with the name of the ONE who gave ... the Father "POWER". because I thought/believe that he, the Father, had all POWER... YIKES! so the Book and Name please. if you can come up with someone GREATER than the Father, please post it.

but let us reveal something to you. keep this a secret ok, .. hush.... THE ONE WHO SITS ON THE THRONE, IS THE SAME ONE WHO TOOK THE BOOK OUT OF THE ONE HAND WHO SIT ON THE THRONE...... my God... YIKES! ... ain't "diversity" great.... yea....

see diversity will get you every time... Oh my God when will all of your children will come to the KNOWLRDGE of your LIVING "TRUTH". Lord Jesus I ask in your Name, do not give these a miscarrying womb nor dry breasts. but give them an understand heart, and a mind to comprehend thy Word, your TRUTH. thanks, amen.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

So 'the one who sits on the throne' is the same one 'who took the book' out of the hand of 'the one who sits on the throne'. Think about that for a moment, just a moment, and you will know that cannot be right.
Sorry, I cannot believe that.

I believe that God is sitting on his throne, and he is handing a book to his Son, the Lamb of God. This scripture proves that they are 2 separate and distinct persons, unless you can somehow twist this event into an illusion, where God, sitting on the throne hands a book to himself standing in front of the throne.

Your diversity is correct, in that God is very different from his Son Jesus Christ. They are numerically diverse too, there are 2 of them.
That is why Jesus said that the Father is greater than he is. That is why Jesus prayed to his God. That is why Jesus cried on the cross, why did the Father forsake him. That is why Jesus can be sitting next to the Father waiting for his second coming.
If they are the same person, none of that would have happened, and it would have been recorded way differently.

Also, I have been meaning to ask you about your name, 'Spiritual Saboteur'. A saboteur is one that commits sabotage. Sabotage is deliberately destroying, damaging, or obstructing something.
So if you wanted to kill a king, you would be known as the king's saboteur.
If you want to blow up an airplane, you would be known as the airplane saboteur.
If you wanted to destroy religions, you would be know as the religion saboteur.
If you want to obstruct or destroy spirituality, you would be known as the spirituality or 'spiritual saboteur'.
I do not think that is what you mean by naming yourself the 'spiritual saboteur', but in English, that is how it is understood. IOW you are a saboteur of things spiritual. But I think you are trying to say you are a 'spiritual Saboteur' of all things evil. But to just say
I am the 'spiritual Sabateur' it comes across in English that you are the sabateur of all things spiritual. May want to change your name.

101G · Feb 27, 2021

Gregory said:
So 'the one who sits on the throne' is the same one 'who took the book' out of the hand of 'the one who sits on the throne'. Think about that for a moment, just a moment, and you will know that cannot be right.
Sorry, I cannot believe that.

never say never with God. it's you who cannot understand God as the diversity, or the equal share of his ownself. meaning that he is the Ordinal First, Father, LORD, and the Ordinal Last, Son, Lord, THE SAME ONE PERSON. but let us show you in no uncertian terms,

can you believe this, is not the FIRST, and the LAST the SAME ONE PERSON, JESUS? Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;". listen, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." is this the same one person who is the "FIRST" and WITH the "LAST?" is this ONE PERSON? or this,
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." well now my friend, is this two person? there are two, "I AM" in this one scripture..... "I AM", the first .... AND ...... "I AM", the last, so is this two persons? there are two "I AM? well it seems like it's two persons, but what do you say? your answer please. cain't wait for this answer.

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101G · Feb 28, 2021

Gregory said:
I believe that God is sitting on his throne, and he is handing a book to his Son, the Lamb of God. This scripture proves that they are 2 separate and distinct persons, unless you can somehow twist this event into an illusion, where God, sitting on the throne hands a book to himself standing in front of the throne.

if it's God the Father who sits on the throne, then as I asked before, "who gave the Father "POWER, listen, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

so if this is the Father sitting on the throne, then tell us who Gave the Father POWER?

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101G · Mar 1, 2021

the one who sits on the throne is the Lord Jesus... Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." well he's sitting.... in POWER, and as our mediator, the advocate who is the Holy Ghost, the Comforter. understand the whole book of Revelation is the REVEALING of God, JESUS, as the Holy Spirit. understand, when Moses asked God, "WHAT" is your name, God said way more that the Human mind could understand. I can only give a little of it. listen, "I AM THAT I AM", is the Idenity of God as to WHAT he is from the beginning to the end of this TIME, not "WHO" he is, but "WHAT" he is, and this is and has been the ERROR of the three person doctrine. it is all revealed in his NAME, as to WHAT he, or the person, God, is, lets understand where the titles Father, son, and Holy Spirit come from, which are not three persons, but the same one person. the Name God gave to Moses on the mount..... "I AM THAT I AM".

"I AM", the LORD, the "Spirit", meaning I AM the Father, the First, the Ordinal First, Genesis 1:1. supportive scripture, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" I AM "CREATOR", "MAKER", this is WHAT I AM. (which is, Rev 1:4a).

"THAT", is Lord, the "spirit", I AM the Son, the Last, the Ordinal Last, John 1:1 supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.". I AM "SAVIOUR", "REDEEMER" this is what I AM. (Rev 1:4b

I AM, The Holy Spirit, God Almighty that is, the amalgamation of "Spirit", the LORD, the Father, and the "Glorified Flesh", the Lord, the Son, supportive scripture, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. I AM that "CREATOR", "MAKER", that is, "SAVIOUR", "REDEEMER", and I AM, "COMFORTER", and "MEDIATOR". (rev 1:4c).

I AM JESUS, the Father, THAT is the Son, for I AM the HOLY SPIRIT. also know as the Holy Ghost.

not three persons, no, but only ONE PERSON, in three dispensations. IN "TIME", "ORDER", "PLACE", AND OR "RANK".

first dispensations, JESUS, the Father, Genesis 1:1 to Malachi 4:6, the LORD, the Ordinal First.
second dispensations, JESUS, the Son, John 1:1 to Jude 1:25, the Lord, the Ordinal Last.
third dispensations, JESUS, the, the Holy Ghost, Genesis 1:1 to Jude 1:25, and Revealed in the BOOK of Revelation.

there it is, JESUS, the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost.

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Gregory · Mar 1, 2021

101G said:
never say never with God. it's you who cannot understand God as the diversity, or the equal share of his ownself. meaning that he is the Ordinal First, Father, LORD, and the Ordinal Last, Son, Lord, THE SAME ONE PERSON. but let us show you in no uncertian terms,

can you believe this, is not the FIRST, and the LAST the SAME ONE PERSON, JESUS? Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;". listen, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." is this the same one person who is the "FIRST" and WITH the "LAST?" is this ONE PERSON? or this,
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." well now my friend, is this two person? there are two, "I AM" in this one scripture..... "I AM", the first .... AND ...... "I AM", the last, so is this two persons? there are two "I AM? well it seems like it's two persons, but what do you say? your answer please. cain't wait for this answer.

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My answer is, no! Because the First is Jesus, and the last is Jesus. The same person. So going back to Revelations 5. You have
"he that is sitting on the throne" handing a book to another person that is standing in front of him, and that person standing in front of
"he that is sitting on the throne" is "the First and the Last"/Jesus/the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of Jesse, the Lamb of God.

All of these names refer to Jesus. 'The First and the Last', the 'Lion of the Tribe of Judah', the 'Root of Jesse', the 'Lamb of God'. All of them are Jesus, and it is Jesus standing in front of the throne of "he that is sitting on the throne", which is Jesus's God and Father, God the Father.

It would be a magicians trick to be sitting on the throne and giving a book to yourself, standing in front of the throne. Think about it just for a few seconds. John clearly saw 2 persons. One sitting on the throne, and another one standing in front of the throne. To say that these 2 people in 2 completely different places at exactly the same time, you have to twist mightily to get these 2 persons into the same person.

101G · Mar 1, 2021

oh slow of heart, did you not hear what you posted, as the scripture are so true, out of your own mouth you cannot hear, listen and LEARN,
Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." THE ROOT, BEFORE DAVID, THE "SPIRIT". THE ORDINAL FIRST. LISTEN TO YOURSELF,

Gregory said:
the Root of Jesse,

YIKES!
listen, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
oh how correct you are yes, that's JESUS, but oh how ignorant are you of him.
see Gregory, the ROOT, is before David, before Abraham, the GREAT I AM ...... John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

YIKES! I know that hurt.... see, as I said, you must be, got to be, have to be ... "TAUGHT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT". when I read these verses in revelation without the REVELATOR, I thought this was the Lord Jesus only... no, no, no, when I got taught by the Holy Spirit he pointed out the WORD that changed the whole scene. I clearly now understand the amalgamation of the Spirit in POWER. oh the beauity of DIVERSIFIED ONENESS.
see Gregory, that one Word change everthing, "The ROOT", of David... Bingo. this is too easy, when on have the REVELATOR. I suggest you get the REVELATOR, and if you have him, then "ASK", and ye shall recieve, but when you ask, don't ask amiss.
well one thing for sure, you're getting a good education in D.O. shoet for Diversified Oneness.

so yes, it is the Son who sits on the throne, and yes, it was the Holy ONE, who pointed out to me, of the one reciving POWER in chapter 4 who sits. thank you Holy Spirit for your wisdom.

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Gregory · Mar 1, 2021

101G said:
oh slow of heart, did you not hear what you posted, as the scripture are so true, out of your own mouth you cannot hear, listen and LEARN,
Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." THE ROOT, BEFORE DAVID, THE "SPIRIT". THE ORDINAL FIRST. LISTEN TO YOURSELF,
YIKES!
listen, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
oh how correct you are yes, that's JESUS, but oh how ignorant are you of him.
see Gregory, the ROOT, is before David, before Abraham, the GREAT I AM ...... John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." YIKES! I know that hurt.... see, as I said, you must be, got to be, have to be ... "TAUGHT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT". when I read these verses in revelation without the REVELATOR, I thought this was the Lord Jesus only... no, no, no, when I got taught by the Holy Spirit he pointed out the WORD that changed the whole scene. I clearly now understand the amalgamation of the Spirit in POWER. oh the beauity of DIVERSIFIED ONENESS.
see Gregory, that one Word change everthing, "The ROOT", of David... Bingo. this is too easy, when on have the REVELATOR. I suggest you get the REVELATOR, and if you have him, then "ASK", and ye shall recieve, but when you ask, don't ask amiss.
well one thing for sure, you're getting a good education in D.O. shoet for Diversified Oneness.

so yes, it is the Son who sits on the throne, and yes, it was the Holy ONE, who pointed out to me, of the one reciving POWER in chapter 4 who sits. thank you Holy Spirit for your wisdom.

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I am glad we agree that the Root of David is Jesus. Now explain how the same person can be sitting on the throne, and standing in front of it to receive a book?

tsr · Mar 1, 2021

Jesus has always been co-eternal and co-equal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit as one God in three Persons. Jesus Himself had also previously proclaimed (in John 10:30) that He and the Father were one.

However, during His earthly incarnation, and as noted by Paul in Philippians 2:5-11, Jesus voluntarily surrendered some of His powers and prerogatives to God the Father (even to the point of experiencing the separation from the Father noted in Matthew 27:46, as well as physical death), in order to carry out the will of the Father on behalf of all of humanity -- the possibility of having eternal life in God's presence through faith in Christ's atoning death.

In that sense, in the human context of the words that Jesus spoke as cited in the question, Jesus could legitimately refer to God the Father as the only true God, since Jesus was at that very time in the process of subordinating His own will to the will of the Father (as Jesus also indicated in His prayer to God the Father in Matthew 26:39).

Gregory · Mar 1, 2021

tsr said:
Jesus has always been co-eternal and co-equal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit as one God in three Persons. Jesus Himself had also previously proclaimed (in John 10:30) that He and the Father were one.

However, during His earthly incarnation, and as noted by Paul in Philippians 2:5-11, Jesus voluntarily surrendered some of His powers and prerogatives to God the Father (even to the point of experiencing the separation from the Father noted in Matthew 27:46, as well as physical death), in order to carry out the will of the Father on behalf of all of humanity -- the possibility of having eternal life in God's presence through faith in Christ's atoning death.

In that sense, in the human context of the words that Jesus spoke as cited in the question, Jesus could legitimately refer to God the Father as the only true God, since Jesus was at that very time in the process of subordinating His own will to the will of the Father (as Jesus also indicated in His prayer to God the Father in Matthew 26:39).

I agree that Jesus and God were separate and distinct persons while Jesus was here on his earthly mission. As you say or Matthew says, they were separated for a time.

At the second coming of Jesus will they separate again?

tsr · Mar 1, 2021

The Bible declares that God “has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth.” (Acts 17:31)

This day of judgment, also known as the Final Judgment, is when Jesus, the Son of God, will judge "the living and the dead" before destroying the old heaven and earth, which are corrupted of sin.

Sin can be defined as anything that opposes God’s will and law. To engage in sin is to disobey or abuse His laws. Because the urge to sin resides in human nature, mankind is corrupted and somewhat driven by the immoral inclinations that live in all people. This is a consequence of the fall into sin in the garden of Eden. Before creating His new heaven and earth, God must do away with anything that could produce or bear sin into His new creation.

Jesus Christ will act as the justice of the last judgment, as the Bible states "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son," (John 5:22). All skeptics will be judged by Christ at the “great white throne,” and they will face punishment in accordance with the acts they have done. The Bible is very definite that skeptics are collecting up vengeance against themselves and that God will “give to each person according to what he has done” (Romans 2:5-6). At the final judgment, the destiny of the wicked and nonbelievers will be in the control of the almighty God who will assess everyone according to their soul’s status.

101G · Mar 1, 2021

Gregory said:
I am glad we agree that the Root of David is Jesus. Now explain how the same person can be sitting on the throne, and standing in front of it to receive a book?

ok, follow me, the book of Revelation is Spiritual, full of symbolism. don't forget this.
lets do what the bible states, Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
lets go to work,

"another example of the right hand, or arm of power in Diversity"

We will..... so to speak, kill two birds with one stone. THE "WILL" of God.
some say Jesus didn't know everything, so if he's God and he don't know when he will return date, (only the Father), so, how can he be God. good question. God is God and mediator, but God is ONE. one forgot one thing, "GOD'S WILL". lets teach a Godly principle. Matt 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". understand the very next verse, 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly”. now what's the principle?. how can any one don’t know what their “OWN” right, and left hand is doing. especially if it's to be secret, as in why not the Lord know his return date. for the Lord Jesus return is as a thief in the night, no one knows. lets see the answer to this, and understand. Isaiah 43:25 "I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins". wait a minute if God is almighty, (which he is), and is all knowing, and he is, how can he forget anything. one more, Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." there it is, "I WILL", YOU FORGOT HIS, GOD's WILL. he wills not to remember. God have a will, and he wills to forget our sins. and as he is Son, and mediator, and COMFORTER, he will not SPEAK, of HIMSELF, sound familiar? John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." been wondering why the Holy Spirit never speak of himself... well, now you know why one of them is. (smile). but that a whole topic by itself, lets contuine". he will's, not to know his return date, because a mediator is a go between, and in the office of mediator he mediates. this is the reason for this verse. John 16:23 "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you”. see as mediator, if we ask for something, like, “what is your return date”, then he must mediate for the one who ask. for God in Revelation is a reveler. so as mediator he wills not to know. lets see this act of the will plainly being made, even in the book of Revelation. chapter 5, you want to know who and why the lamb took the sealed book. remember, “when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret”. why do you think the book is sealed, and two notice, the book is in his, the Lord Jesus, Right Hand. "that thy left hand know not what thy right hand doeth". scripture in revelation, Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon”. for no man know the hour or the day, only the Father, hence ask the Father and he “WILL” give it you. but if it’s not his will, he will not honor the request. FOR THE sPIRIT SPEAK not of himself.

NOW Gregory, please tell us what HAND was the BOOK IN? a little refersher, "let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret”. what hand was the BOOK IN? that's right,

and the ONE who took the BOOK is the Father, the Holy Spirit who is in amalgamation of HIS OWN Spirit. now by the removing of the BOOK, which holds all of eternity, no one knows ONLY THE ONE WHO TOOK THE BOOK, HE KNOWS. and what did the scriptures say? only the Father knows...... YES, THE root OF david, was not that very easy and simple to understand?

see, it's a MATTER of God's OWN WILL, BINGO.

it is simple when one know that the Lord God is diversified. oh the beauity of God in diversity.

if I was you, I would copy this into a WP for careful examination.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

101G · Mar 1, 2021

tsr said:
Jesus has always been co-eternal and co-equal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit as one God in three Persons. Jesus Himself had also previously proclaimed (in John 10:30) that He and the Father were one.

FIRST thanks for the reply. JESUS is never co-equal with anyone. Jesus is the Father, who is the Holy Spirit..
well if you believe in three person I have no beef with you, but your doctrine.. and that's where my beef will stay.

let me ask you this then, is the person in John 1:3 who made all things, is the same person in Isaiah 44:24 who made all things, yes, or no?..
depending on your answer then we can contuine.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

tsr · Mar 1, 2021

kcnalp · Mar 1, 2021

101G said:
FIRST thanks for the reply. JESUS is never co-equal with anyone. Jesus is the Father, who is the Holy Spirit..
well if you believe in three person I have no beef with you, but your doctrine.. and that's where my beef will stay.

let me ask you this then, is the person in John 1:3 who made all things, is the same person in Isaiah 44:24 who made all things, yes, or no?..
depending on your answer then we can contuine.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

We Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God. You don't!

tsr · Mar 2, 2021

kcnalp said:
We Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God. You don't!

I read the scriptures wrong my error......................as I DO BELIEVE Jesus is the Son of God

JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

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