The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
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Behold
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Because God gave His Son for the sin of the world. For ALL who will come.
Not everyone will come, but everyone is invited to The Cross.
Heaven is available to everyone who will come to the Cross.
See, God put the Cross in the World, for the World.
That includes everyone who is in the world, at any time.
If you want to look at it that way, it doesn't say with exception either.
It just says, "the world".
Let me ask you . . . If I showed you an apple pie, and asked you, would you like to have the pie? Would I be offering you a piece of the pie or the whole pie? Doesn't the inclusiveness of the language give us the answer?
Much love!
That's nonsense. And repetitious. "God so loved believers so that whoever he causes to believe he gives eternal life?" That's not what it says.
Says you. Not only for us but for the whole world... you have to twist that verse into a pretzel to get it to say what you want it to. You are not very convincing. I'll stick with scripture.
Wrangler
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It's obvious it's not everyone without exception since many in the world have and shall die in their sins.
Behold
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So the Cross is only for "black lives matter"?..... or is it only for the "Homosexuals"?
Is the Cross only for the Baptists?
Is the Cross only for those who have a "Prayer Language"?
Is it only for the Catholics or people who worship Mary?
Is the Cross only for Trump Haters who live Twitter and reside in Poland?
Is the Cross only for the "elect"? And that's a NO, as its the "Preaching of the Cross, and the foolishness of preaching that saves"...which creates the Elect (born again), in the time of the Gentiles.
John 3:16. For God so loved the WORLD......... that He did what for the WORLD, brightframe52?
And what is the "WORLD", brightframe52?
Is it the oceans and the mountains, and the horses and the cats and the sunsets?
Or is the World, as John 3:16 is explaining to you....The world filled with SINNERS that Jesus was sent to DIE FOR on THE CROSS?
I'll take what the Bible says over what may seem obvious to someone. No offense intended, only, some things have seemed obvious to me in the past, but not so much now.
Much love!
Calvinism is structured like dominos, with most being 4 point Calvinists, and some who believe the same but don't call themselves Calvinists.
If you shoot down just one point of Calvinism, which is what has happened here, all the other points fall with it!
That's why they can't admit the obvious from scripture, their whole theology is gone if they do!
If you shoot down just one point of Calvinism, which is what has happened here, all the other points fall with it!
That's why they can't admit the obvious from scripture, their whole theology is gone if they do!
Eternally Grateful
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World = church?
sorry my friend, not sure what dictionary your using but you need to find a new one
Eternally Grateful
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If Jesus meant his sheep he would have said sheep not world
he said he died for the world so that whoever believes,
in your defenition he died for the sheep so they could be saved, in that case, belief would be meaningless.l
"His people" there being the Jewish people.
The Gentiles were later included in the number of those who could be saved in Acts of the Apostles 10 and Ephesians 3:6.
Actually, I don't agree with @Behold on a lot of things, but he is right here.
False Christ's
Matt 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The False Christs here means, the different denominations saying we serve and witness of the True Christ. Also the false Christ, is that christ that is presented that He loved of all of humanity, and died for all of humanity without exception, to give them a chance at getting saved.
Thats a False christ. If anyone believes that lie, that Christ died for everyone's sins in the world without exception, you have been deceived, and unless God gives you repentance, you are only believing a lie 2 Thess 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Matt 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The False Christs here means, the different denominations saying we serve and witness of the True Christ. Also the false Christ, is that christ that is presented that He loved of all of humanity, and died for all of humanity without exception, to give them a chance at getting saved.
Thats a False christ. If anyone believes that lie, that Christ died for everyone's sins in the world without exception, you have been deceived, and unless God gives you repentance, you are only believing a lie 2 Thess 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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