Grailhunter
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You said..."I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel.
That is what drew my response.
Nothing on the forum is going to offend me.
Is it Okay for Christians to Pray to Mary?
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You said..."I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel.
That is what drew my response.
Nothing on the forum is going to offend me.
No I let him decide. He's the one saying he's the narrow gate and few will enter.
And scripture says it's essential:
"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures."
"Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years."
Do you believe the scriptures or what you want to be true?
Grailhunter
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I get that...know that..
But you sent it to me
Like if I sent the "Who has bewitched you" scripture to you.
Like I said, I do not take offense....I just respond.
Praying to anyone but God sounds like another gospel to me. It's what a lot of false religions do. They revere and pray to their ancestors. The natives believe that birds carry their ancestors spirits even.
Philip James
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Hello Wrangler,
If you wish to engage with someone in discourse, its probably not best to lead with ignorant insults...
Latria
Peace be with you!
Wrangler
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I know I cannot meet your standards of discourse. Oh well. Easier to criticize than address the point of discernment.
Grailhunter
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I understand your concern. And if you are talking about the Catholics?? The Catholics are not fundamentalists.
I fellowship and praise and worship with fundamentalists. There is nothing wrong with being a fundamentalist. It is one the ways to designate your beliefs.
On one side of the coin, the Bible documents the first 65 years or so of Christian history. The Jewish-Apostles expected Christ to return very soon. Christ never told them to write anything down, but after several decades and Christ did not return, Matthew and John decided to write down the events of the Gospels and Mark, a disciple of Peter and Luke a disciple of Paul were doing the same thing and then Luke wrote Acts for a Greek friend. After Paul and Peter were martyred and Christ still had not returned, things started to change....particularly after the fall of the Temple in 70 ad.
The Apostle were gone and the Jewish-Christian sect died out. From there the Gentile-Christians took the helm of Christianity. The Pagan converts called Gentiles in the Bible converted to Christianity but that does not mean they did not bring some of there beliefs and traditions into Christianity. You can see that in our holidays and some of our traditions....like weddings. From there we have over 1900 years of Christian events that happened. God did not retire, He was very active with the Church. So there was a lot of interaction between God and the Church that produced additional information. The reverence of Miriam is just one of many things that came about.
Then when we flip the coin around we see the affects of total power. So much corruption and so many atrocities. So sad. Then Martin Luther wanted to reform the Church...valiant effort but it got away from him and the Church fractured and like glass on the floor it fractured into a thousand pieces...again sad. They just could not agree on what the scriptures meant. Because of the corruption of the hierarchy of the Church the protestants discarded all of the actions and events in Christian history...except for the Bible. God knew that the Church leadership was corrupt and most of the divine events did not happen with Church leaders. But that did not matter to the Protestants.
So the protestants developed a hatred for the Church and wanted to separate themselves and get back to the basics. And really who could have blame them? So much nasty stuff...but by doing that they gutted Christian history and a lot of things that God did they discarded. From there they could not agree and now we have over 30,000 protestant denominations and hundreds of thousands of independent beliefs. Is that better? Well, divided like that, there is no power to corrupt...but not much unity to stand up against anything either, just people selecting which door to go in.
So that is why I said to you...is that a one legged man in a kicking contest or a one arm man in row boat race. You have a lot of targets to disagree with. And there is a whole lot of God and Christian history that you can disregard or disagree with. Nearly 2000 years of Christian events down the tubes. I do not take that approach, I embrace all the good of Christian history and I fellowship with those that love Christ. I only oppose evil...the Calvinists, the Voodooist, the Jehovah's Witnesses and such. The rest of them, I will go the extra mile to get along with.
Philip James
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Hello Renniks,
You pray to someone everytime you earnestly ask something of them...
Your brothers and sisters have been asking the heroes of the Faith to help us with their prayers for 2000 years...
God has displayed His glory repeatedly through His servants, many miracles brought about through the interceseion of the Saints.
It was through these brothers and sisters of yours that the Gospel has come down to us today...
The communion of the saints is real!
Peace!
I believe that scriptures are the flesh we are to eat... but then without the Life giving blood we are to drink the flesh is dead. This was satan's problem when he quoted scripture at Jesus and Jesus rebuked him.
You believe what you do as I believe what I do. If one or both of us are wrong, God knows. Me arguing with you about it won't change the truth. Only God gives any real increase!
"So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:7
As much as I disagree with Calvinists, I do not believe most are evil. I've worshipped with them. Luther wasn't much different than the Calvinists.
I don't assume everything about any Catholics is wrong either. I'm not so sure about protestants ditching everything Catholic. The Methodists and other have some very Catholic traditions.
Of course, but I believe Spirit inhabits God's Word. It's not an either/ or.
Grailhunter
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Something to research.
And for the record....I do not believe that it is the Calvinist people that are evil....its the doctrine.
I see the unopened or unread Bible has having no Life in it. I see the Bible opened by a person with the wrong spirit... such as a 'dyed in the wool' atheist also as having no Life in it.
That atheist better not dig too deep, he might find God in there. God doesn't care how he gets you.
No one reads the Bible and decides to pray to Mary, though. They have to be taught that by human tradition.
amigo de christo
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You almost right my friend . But lets word it more like this .
The bible does contain the words of life in it . But if one is not born again , they are simply the one who is dead . Oh but the bible does contain the words of life .
Hope that helps my friend .
It is the Spirit that gives LIFE . Then we can start understanding more and more of what those holy words actually mean .
Now let the LORD be praised my friend .
I quite agree. I have described the Bible without the Spirit like Jesus dead on the cross prior to his Resurrection! The potential is there. What is written in the Bible was written by men as inspired by God... but a similar inspiration in a person by the Spirit of God is required to quicken it in a person.
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