Discerning : The Water Cults

Grunt Hemlock said:

"This is the WORK of God - that ye believe in Him whom He has sent"

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And what does Scripture tell you to do after you believe in Him?

I think it is who we are after we believe Not what we do, the doing will come, he who began a good work will complete it. But who we are is what empowers us to do anything

It should be clear that Jesus will confess you before His Father and the angels as the result of the fact that you received baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.


An absolute blatant Perversion Of the actual words of Jesus.....” Whoever acknowledges me before people, I will acknowledge before my Father in Heaven” Matt 10:32.....

So subtle......Satan was subtle in the Garden....

Misquoting Scripture On purpose......can there be a bigger sin?

Behold said:

I dont have indwelling sin.

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1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Heb 4:12, For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Marymog said:

work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

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The Greek bears out that this is talking about the equivalent of working out a math problem.

So that Philippians 2:12 is reiterated very closely by the following scripture.

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Misquoting Scripture On purpose......can there be a bigger sin?

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yes...taking on the nature and employment of the accuser of the brethren and accusing a man of sin when he has not committed a sin.

justbyfaith said:

The Greek bears out that this is talking about the equivalent of working out a math problem.

So that Philippians 2:12 is reiterated very closely by the following scripture.

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:.

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Working out a math proble....Hmmmm....I have never heard that teaching before.

So when Philippians 2:13 says work for his good pleasure it really means work out a math problem for his good pleasure.....

Eternally Grateful said:

I think it is who we are after we believe Not what we do, the doing will come, he who began a good work will complete it. But who we are is what empowers us to do anything

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Scripture doesn’t say “the doing will come” after you start believing. If it does say that then please show me since I can’t find it.

So what happens to the person when the doing doesn’t come? Scripture makes that clear; faith without works is dead. You can’t have one or the other. If you don’t do the works, the faith means nothing; it’s a DEAD faith.

Marymog said:

Working out a math proble....Hmmmm....I have never heard that teaching before.

So when Philippians 2:13 says work for his good pleasure it really means work out a math problem for his good pleasure.....

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Philippians 2:13 says He works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure, you misquoted that.

Marymog said:

Scripture doesn’t say “the doing will come” after you start believing. If it does say that then please show me since I can’t find it.

So what happens to the person when the doing doesn’t come? Scripture makes that clear; faith without works is dead. You can’t have one or the other. If you don’t do the works, the faith means nothing; it’s a DEAD faith.

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Rom 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 4:6, Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom 4:7, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

justbyfaith said:

Philippians 2:13 says He works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure, you misquoted that.

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The link you provided says: for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.

Soooooo would you like to try again since you misquoted your own link?????

which translation would you like to go with: Philippians 2:13 For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose.

Misquoting Scripture On purpose......can there be a bigger sin?


yes...taking on the nature and employment of the accuser of the brethren and accusing a man of sin when he has not committed a sin.


I just kinda figured that purposely Twisting Scripture as Satan did in the Garden with Adam and Eve and as he also did in the desert with Jesus to purposely mislead people might be a bad thing.....please explain to an on- looking world how you did not do EXACTLY that ......thanking you in advance....

Marymog said:

Scripture doesn’t say “the doing will come” after you start believing. If it does say that then please show me since I can’t find it.

So what happens to the person when the doing doesn’t come? Scripture makes that clear; faith without works is dead. You can’t have one or the other. If you don’t do the works, the faith means nothing; it’s a DEAD faith.

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NO Faith will get one damned......Dead Faith will get you no Crowns.....

justbyfaith said:

Rom 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 4:6, Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom 4:7, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

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Soooo Romans 4 cancels out Romans 2: he will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

Scripture says man is justified by works and not by faith alone but you say he is justified by faith alone. Hmmmmm.....

Bible study time:
Paul does not specifically say works of law in Romans 4:5, but if we read from Romans 3:28 to Romans 4:5 and beyond, the context makes it unmistakable: Paul was referring to circumcision in particular and the same “works of law” he was referring to in Romans 3:28. Romans 4:5-10 will suffice to make the point:

And to one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness . . . Is this blessing pronounced only upon the circumcised, or also upon the uncircumcised? We say that faith was reckoned to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it reckoned to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.

Bible Study Mary

justbyfaith said:

Rom 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 4:6, Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom 4:7, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

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Your continuing False, Perverted , ‘ Gospel” would say , “Blessed is the man who repents of all of his sins before he dies , because if he doesn’t have the Super Memory and Luck to do this he will go to Hell”
You have not revealed your true beliefs to the crowd as you go on and on about other things....all of your posts , should they be about baptism or anything else,should include a Disclaimer to let the viewers know your true mind- set and Core belifs, lest they think you know something about the Bible....

(yes, I have changed my mind on this issue to a certain extent


Have you changed your mind about “ Lucky Repentance” yet ?

Marymog said:

Soooooo would you like to try again since you misquoted your own link?????

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I quoted it from the kjv. Unfortunately, the Bible program for these boards stopped utilizing the kjv some time ago, I think because some moderator had a bias.

Phl 2:13, For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Misquoting Scripture On purpose......can there be a bigger sin?


yes...taking on the nature and employment of the accuser of the brethren and accusing a man of sin when he has not committed a sin.


I just kinda figured that purposely Twisting Scripture as Satan did in the Garden with Adam and Eve and as he also did in the desert with Jesus to purposely mislead people might be a bad thing.....please explain to an on- looking world how you did not do EXACTLY that ......thanking you in advance....

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Matthew 10:32 and Luke 12:8 both speak of confessing Jesus before men and that is something that we do when we are baptized in His name; that is an integral part of what baptism is all about.

Marymog said:

Paul does not specifically say works of law in Romans 4:5,

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That is exactly right...and therefore he is not talking merely about works of law...but of works in general.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Your continuing False, Perverted , ‘ Gospel” would say , “Blessed is the man who repents of all of his sins before he dies , because if he doesn’t have the Super Memory and Luck to do this he will go to Hell”
You have not revealed your true beliefs to the crowd as you go on and on about other things....all of your posts , should they be about baptism or anything else,should include a Disclaimer to let the viewers know your true mind- set and Core belifs, lest they think you know something about the Bible....

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I know that this is a contention between us that will not soon be rectified.

You deny that Ezekiel 33:11-20 is inspired of the Lord and profitable for doctrine and I do not.

For it is that passage of scripture that tells us that we shall live thereby if we will turn away from wickedness and do what is lawful and right.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

(yes, I have changed my mind on this issue to a certain extent


Have you changed your mind about “ Lucky Repentance” yet ?

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Obviously, if I did that I would be denying the veracity of certain scriptures; like you deny the veracity of those scriptures.

Ezekiel 33:11-20 shows us plainly that repentance is something that if we do, we shall live thereby;

And the fact that this does indeed have something to do with "luck" is evident when we compare 1 Corinthians 15:37 and Matthew 13:30.

Marymog said:

Soooo Romans 4 cancels out Romans 2:

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There is a line of reasoning that Paul takes us down from Romans 2:13 down to Romans 3:28....and by the time he finishes with that line of reasoning he has reached an opposite conclusion.

Rom 2:13, (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Rom 3:28, Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Marymog said:

And what does Scripture tell you to do after you believe in Him?

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As far as Salvation is concerned ? Rest.
Then do what we were created to do.....love others and carry their burdens...

justbyfaith said:

I quoted it from the kjv. Unfortunately, the Bible program for these boards stopped utilizing the kjv some time ago, I think because some moderator had a bias.

Phl 2:13, For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.



Matthew 10:32 nd Luke 12:8 speaks of confessing Jesus before men and that is something that we do when we are baptized in His name; that is an integral part of what baptism is all about.



That is exactly right...and therefore he is not talking merely about works of law...but of works in general.



I know that this is a contention between us that will not soon be rectified.

You deny that Ezekiel 33:11-20 is inspired of the Lord and profitable for doctrine and I do not.

For it is that passage of scripture that tells us that we shall live thereby if we will turn away from wickedness and do what is lawful and right.



Obviously, if I did that I would be denying the veracity of certain scriptures like you.

Ezekiel 33:11-20 shows us plainly that repentance is something that if we do, we shall live thereby;




And the fact that this does indeed have something to do with "luck" is evident when we compare 1 Corinthians 15:37 and Matthew 13:30.

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Ahhhhh.....I finally “ get” it ?
“ By LUCK Ye are Saved, lest any man should boast”.....
Thanks for setting me straight ........NOT!!

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Ahhhhh.....I finally “ get” it ?
“ By LUCK Ye are Saved, lest any man should boast”.....
Thanks for setting me straight ........NOT!!

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There is no need to change one scripture in order to preserve the integrity of another.

You deny that Ezekiel 33:11-20 is inspired of the Lord and profitable for doctrine and I do not.

This false statement makes you a liar and you know it....

Your Ezekiel verses are not talking about Eternal matters.....there is no Gospel in them.....no Grace...it’s all Pre-Cross Law and mostly just common sense —- quit doing bad stuff and I won’t have to punish you—it’s not verses directed to New Creations....
“ Doing Good” in the New Testament is all about being obedient — being
Obedient” to the Gospel.....Being obedient to the Gospel means to REST in it.....do that and God will put His Spirit in you and you will “ Find” yourself doing all that Old Testament Stuff that you are concerned about—— including your obsession with Ezekiel ...it’s a great Book....it’s just not where the Born Again Believers in Jesus go to for Doctrine....The Christian has two commandments in their Doctrine—— Believe and Love.....to the extent that you find that in Ezekiel , it is pertinent for today’s Believers on Christ.....