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justbyfaith

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blasphemy does not mean claiming to be the Most High,

It really does.

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7The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the Son of God.”

Son of the Most High, not Most High,

In claiming to be the Son that was given He was claiming to be the everlasting Father (the Most High)...Isaiah 9:6.
 

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What is true is not determined by polls. Just because a majority of Christians believed the Earth was the center of the solar system does not make it true.
So you picked out the part I was being facetious about and discarded the rest. That's typical for a person that tries his best to pretend that there isn't an elephant in the room.
 

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It really does.
only fundamental trins think this when they resort to anything to prop up their manmade doctrine

Blasphemy - Definition. In English "blasphemy" denotes any utterance that insults God or Christ (or Allah, or Muhammed) and gives deeply felt offense to their followers.



In claiming to be the Son that was given He was claiming to be the everlasting Father (the Most High)...Isaiah 9:6.

this means every angel in the heavens is the Most High. you got to be kidding right?
only you guys would dig a hole so deep you have to start making claims that the Most High is the "son of" another being.
 

justbyfaith

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only fundamental trins think this when they resort to anything to prop up their manmade doctrine

Blasphemy - Definition. In English "blasphemy" denotes any utterance that insults God or Christ (or Allah, or Muhammed) and gives deeply felt offense to their followers.

It is also blasphemy to claim to be God (John 10:31-33).

this means every angel in the heavens is the Most High.

Elohim (plural).
 

justbyfaith

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Jesus claims "son of" the Most High in John 10

how many Most Highs do you think there are?
Absolutely one.

The Spirit who inhabits eternity (Isaiah 57:15) is the same Spirit who descended to take on an added nature of human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).
 

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Absolutely one.

The Spirit who inhabits eternity (Isaiah 57:15) is the same Spirit who descended to take on an added nature of human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).

but you said all the angels were Most Highs
which one is it?
 

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Absolutely one.

The Spirit who inhabits eternity (Isaiah 57:15) is the same Spirit who descended to take on an added nature of human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).

Yikes. Reading comprehension. I am not Boston. I am from or of Boston. Jesus is not God. He, like all the prophets and angels are of God. Your own reference shows this.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:2
 

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Because Jesus claimed that "before Abraham was, I AM" in John 8:58 and this was obviously a reference back to Exodus 3:14 and Isaiah 9:6, it is somehow circular reasoning to make the logical connection?

"I am" is a common identifier, not unique to God. It is not a claim of divinity as Trinitarians allege. How come all the other people in the Bible who said "I am" are not worshipped by trinitarians as being God for saying "I am?"
 

justbyfaith

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Yikes. Reading comprehension. I am not Boston. I am from or of Boston. Jesus is not God. He, like all the prophets and angels are of God. Your own reference shows this.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:2

It is true that Jesus Christ Himself confesses that He is come in the flesh.

However, it is a logical jump to say that this means that He is only of God and not God.

For Jesus Christ Himself, according to the creeds, is "God of very God."
 

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It is true that Jesus Christ Himself confesses that He is come in the flesh.

However, it is a logical jump to say that this means that He is only of God and not God.

For Jesus Christ Himself, according to the creeds, is "God of very God."
LOL The creed is not of the Bible.
 

justbyfaith

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LOL The creed is not of the Bible.
They actually came up with the creeds after a long debate on the doctrine of the Trinity; it was the final conclusion of the debate.

So, I would say based on Luke 21:15 and Acts of the Apostles 6:10 that the conclusion that they came to was the ultimately right conclusion; since there were people involved in the debate who had the spirit that is spoken of in those verses.
 

justbyfaith

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Yea, in the 4th century, the idea of the trinity came about.
The fact that people did not come to understand this doctrine in the holy scriptures until later in no way precludes that it is not a biblical doctrine.
 

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The fact that people did not come to understand this doctrine in the holy scriptures until later in no way precludes that it is not a biblical doctrine.

LOL. Nothing undermines trinitarians belief in this false doctrine. HINT: If the trinity were Biblical, it would, you know, be in the Bible.

And that is why some Christians deny Jesus is God.
 

justbyfaith

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T-r-i-n-i-t-y. Not Biblical. Not in the Bible.
You are simply being ignorant of the scriptures in the Bible that teach the doctrine of the Trinity.

If it were not in the Bible, it would not be believed in by Christians.