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They haven't debunked my understanding at all. They have only used logical fallacies (such as attack the sender) to attempt to denounce what I am preaching.

But I have never found that anyone has given a scripture that shows me to be wrong, and I have not changed my point of view as the result.
If you were wrong on something, how would someone go about proving it?
 
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no amount of study, quoting of scripture or yada yada about spiritual matters is a key to arriving at anything truthful regarding God's purposes/revelation.

We must leave off men’s interpretive tools: Then there will be unity.

But the Lord did say:

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division

And boy is the “church” divided these last days.
 

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JBF

If you had the humility of Moses you would 'hold your peace' and allow God to do His thing...He and He alone is the one who vindicates us ...

This thread just seems to be a veiled attempt to once more announce- "I am right".
Jesus told them to pray in the closet, your 'prayer' here is just a message to those that you call enemies.

Who tricked you into think that any one of us has all things totally correct!!! You don't, any more than anyone else.
Collectively we have the whole package , individually we do not.

You have confidence in your self and your beliefs ...that is a very dangerous place to stand.

Just say/write what you feel prompted to say/write...then shut up and- "Let the others judge".

Being upset that "they" come against what you say, is nothing more than pride of self.
If it is GODS word your teach then you don't need to defend it...He is well able to look after His own Word.

Chill.
 

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Yes, God showed us a new way in Christ, as children, and no more servants.
yes, he did show us a new way....he raised the bar, he didn't lower it.....

'you have heard it said, do not commit adultery but I say unto you that he who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery in his heart'
'keep the commandments' Jesus said... 'all these things have I done' the rich young ruler said.....'then give away all your possessions and come follow me' was Jesus' reply.

Now, to all those who think that the new commandment Jesus gave scraps the old because it was too hard to keep.....they are in for alarm. Love as I have loved you Jesus says. Now, who of all the proponents that gleefully scrap the Ten Commandments in favour of loving ones neighbour would give their life for an enemy???

Some self honesty is required here......meaning that the love of sin is greater than the love for righteousness!
 
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I don't think I have ever been proven wrong since coming to these boards.

For, I always bring scripture to bear upon every issue that substantiates my viewpoint.

I don't think that anyone has brought up any scripture, since I started posting here, that disproves my viewpoints in any way, shape, or form.

And if they did, I would immediately change my viewpoint.



I am not young and just learning the Bible. I have been studying it for over 35 years.

Friend- it is not the Scriptures people disagree with...it IS your understanding of Scripture.

A common error in Christianity is: Teachers, Preachers, Scholars, Philosophers...trying to Teach "Biblical" Understanding, which Scripture calls "Private Interpretation."

The problem with "Private Interpretation", or adopting an others (reknown or with fancy credentials) "Private Interpretations"... is they all come from what makes "mindful Logical Sense".

Spiritual Understanding of Scriptural Knowledge, DOES NOTE come from a man's Carnal Logical Deduction Mind...

Spiritual Understanding of Scriptural Knowledge comes from A SPIRIT, God Himself.
It is a Gift afforded the Godly...
And WHY, Satan himself, even his minions, can know the entire Scriptures, but never Understand them.

Ask and you shall receive, weighs heavily on asking God for His Spiritual Understanding of The very Scriptural Knowledge He Himself inspired.

Validation of Scriptural Knowledge comes from Reasoning comparitiveness between two or more Scriptures.

God Bless,
Taken
 

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I don't think I have ever been proven wrong since coming to these boards.

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right here is your problem my friend

you think you are right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong,

you focus to much on self, and your showing you are not willing to lear.

if I disagree with you, it does not mean I am attacking you, it just means I see things different than you, we can both post scripture which appears to agree with the point we are trying to make, but it does not make us right I can find verses to prety much prove anything I want,

humility goes along way, I pray you see this
 

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They haven't debunked my understanding at all. They have only used logical fallacies (such as attack the sender) to attempt to denounce what I am preaching.

But I have never found that anyone has given a scripture that shows me to be wrong, and I have not changed my point of view as the result.
In the same token, you have not shown any scripture that proves some of us who disagree with you wrong or given us any reason to change our view.

your pride is to deep my friend, you need to stop preaching repenting and repent yourself
 

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Which is obviously a falsehood.
And do you believe then that the study of the scriptures through human logic alone will always result in Truth as God understands Truth?

What about the Holy Spirit?

Can a very intelligent man study all of the scriptures and encounter Truth, God's Truth, without being led by the Holy Spirit?

Can a man of below average intelligence encounter Truth, God's Truth in any measure, when he is led by and chooses to follow the lead the Holy Spirit?

What of this?

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

Is a brain of a man with a very high I.Q. working at full capacity able to encounter all of the Truth of God without the Holy Spirit?

And this?

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9

And this?

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26
 

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That’s not true, because you have been given much scripture, and you have yet to change your POV.

i think in his mind he believes that he is infallible. some of his ideas are pretty far out there. kjv was written by prophets of the Most High, only the church can save, the church has never made a mistake, etc. if this guys really believes these things he needs some serious help but more than likely he is just a professional troll.
 

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Friend- it is not the Scriptures people disagree with...it IS your understanding of Scripture.

A common error in Christianity is: Teachers, Preachers, Scholars, Philosophers...trying to Teach "Biblical" Understanding, which Scripture calls "Private Interpretation."

The problem with "Private Interpretation", or adopting an others (reknown or with fancy credentials) "Private Interpretations"... is they all come from what makes "mindful Logical Sense".

Spiritual Understanding of Scriptural Knowledge, DOES NOTE come from a man's Carnal Logical Deduction Mind...

Spiritual Understanding of Scriptural Knowledge comes from A SPIRIT, God Himself.
It is a Gift afforded the Godly...
And WHY, Satan himself, even his minions, can know the entire Scriptures, but never Understand them.

Ask and you shall receive, weighs heavily on asking God for His Spiritual Understanding of The very Scriptural Knowledge He Himself inspired.

Validation of Scriptural Knowledge comes from Reasoning comparitiveness between two or more Scriptures.

God Bless,
Taken
well said TK
 
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If you have to explain a biblical doctrine with many words it’s probably not biblical.
That is an important observation: For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God. (Eccl 5:7)

What many people fail to note is that the recorded words of Christ were always very few. But theologians forgot this. JBF has presented a lot of false doctrines and never backed off even after being shown the truth.
 

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i think in his mind he believes that he is infallible. some of his ideas are pretty far out there. kjv was written by prophets of the Most High, only the church can save, the church has never made a mistake, etc. if this guys really believes these things he needs some serious help but more than likely he is just a professional troll.
Be careful with your evaluation jaybird lest you find yourself guilty.
 

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I am not against people having their own opinions...

However, one person on these boards has chosen to fight against the doctrine that I preach by calling it a "FALSE and PERVERTED gospel"...and yet he is the one who has perverted the right ways of the Lord by preaching that a man does not need to repent (of sins) in order to be saved.

That person will be held accountable to the Lord for the people that he is turning away from the faith.

Act 13:8, But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation ) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.
Act 13:9, Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
Act 13:10, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
Act 13:11, And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
Act 13:12, Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.




And of course you are not the one that I was referring to in the OP.


Let us unite and declare Total War against this Rebel ! Pray tell.....what does he try to teach on these Forums? “ Resting in the Finished Work Of The Cross? Does he have the Temerity to demand that we do not ADD to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace with such things as “ Lucky Repentance?” I bet he's just a damned Reprobate that insists that we actually Believe the songs we sing each week like , “ NOTHING But The Blood Of Jesus” or “ Just as I Am”..... right?
Yes , let us join together and see that this Evil-Doer gets his “ just desserts!” He’s just gotta be one of those “ greasy Grace” guys.....He just does not understand that God didn’t “really” mean it when He said “ Where sin abounds, Grace abounds that much more”——- the only “ possible” outcome of THAT would be that people would turn it into a License to sin! Right? Poor Ol’ God—- He just didn’t see that coming......tsk....tsk....
You get the Tar—— I’ll get the Feathers! This Reprobate must go! ( unless , of course, those songs have it right....... but lets not go there....)
 
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If you were wrong on something, how would someone go about proving it?

By showing scripture that disproves what I am saying, of course.

And I would have to have no logical answer on the basis of logic and holy scripture.

Therefore it may in fact become an ongoing discussion, until the person has proved that there is no logical defense for my position.

But I don't think that that will ever happen; because I have made it a point to get my doctrine from the holy scriptures and sound reasoning and logic based in the holy scriptures.

I have formed my doctrine primarily by reconciling scriptures that appear to contradict each other and by reinforcing certain truths in my mind with scriptures that say the same thing in some form or another.

Being upset that "they" come against what you say, is nothing more than pride of self.

It is an accurate knowledge of the fact that I know the truth and am preaching the truth.

If anyone does not know that they know the truth, they have no business preaching anything at all.

If I am upset at this, it is only because I know that the people who are turned away will not come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved. That, in my opinion, is something to be upset about; because those very people will burn for ever and ever in fire and brimstone...for ever and ever.

So, I think that my response has been markedly unexaggerated.

if I disagree with you, it does not mean I am attacking you,

Of course. But someone crosses the line when he attempts to discourage others from believing my preaching. Because if what I am preaching is sound doctrine (and it is), then that person is attempting to turn people away from the faith itself.

I can find verses to prety much prove anything I want,

However, when other scripture is applied to the equation, that is when it will be known whether that doctrine stands according to the test of holy scripture. Faithful doctrine will have no scripture that contradicts that statement as a doctrine.

In the same token, you have not shown any scripture that proves some of us who disagree with you wrong or given us any reason to change our view.

On many occasions I have merely referenced scriptures that support my pov. I do not always quote them. So, if you have merely read my statements but have not looked up the referenced holy scripture, I can see how you might not think that there is any scripture that would change your pov over to what I am preaching.

That’s not true, because you have been given much scripture, and you have yet to change your POV.

I have changed my pov on a few occasions when it was shown to me from scripture what the reality was.

And for that reason, my pov is closer to the reality of scripture today than it was yesterday; and also, because I will continue to change my pov if I am shown that it is wrong from the holy scriptures, I will continue to be sanctified as to pertaining to the closeness of my pov to scriptural truth.

Can a very intelligent man study all of the scriptures and encounter Truth, God's Truth, without being led by the Holy Spirit?

Yes.

Can a man of below average intelligence encounter Truth, God's Truth in any measure, when he is led by and chooses to follow the lead the Holy Spirit?

Yes.

Is a brain of a man with a very high I.Q. working at full capacity able to encounter all of the Truth of God without the Holy Spirit?

Yes on one level, and no on another.

If he reads the Bible, I believe that the Bible is written in plain language and that therefore anyone can understand its message if they put their minds to it.

On the other hand, if someone doesn't have the Holy Spirit, he will be more inclined towards the works of the flesh which includes heresies; and also someone who does not have the Holy Spirit would not have as much of a reason to study the word with the intent of getting the doctrine of the Lord out of it.

i think in his mind he believes that he is infallible. some of his ideas are pretty far out there. kjv was written by prophets of the Most High, only the church can save,

No, I do not think that I am infallible; but I do believe that I have been molded in my doctrine over many years so that it is in conjunction with the Holy Spirit's take on things.

In my reading of holy scripture, I have also always sought to seek the interpretation of the author; and because I have a relationship with the author, I believe that He does in fact tell me what He means by what He inspired to be written.

JBF has presented a lot of false doctrines and never backed off even after being shown the truth.

You have never shown any scripture that refutes my doctrines.
 

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Let us unite and declare Total War against this Rebel !

Fine by me.

1Co 16:9, For a great door and effectual is opened unto me, and there are many adversaries.

And also, those who unite against me will find that the prayer of the OP has been prayed against them.

Which is really kind of sad.

But don't blame me...blame @Blood Bought 1953 who rallied you to the battle.
 
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Of course. But someone crosses the line when he attempts to discourage others from believing my preaching. Because if what I am preaching is sound doctrine (and it is), then that person is attempting to turn people away from the faith itself.
But if your wrong your leading people to hell with you, and turning people away from the faith yourself,

it goes both ways my friend

However, when other scripture is applied to the equation, that is when it will be known whether that doctrine stands according to the test of holy scripture. Faithful doctrine will have no scripture that contradicts that statement as a doctrine.

your right and from what I have seen you post, your scripture contrade contradicts itself, so instead of getting angry, why do you not humble yourself and listen to what others are trying to show you

On many occasions I have merely referenced scriptures that support my pov. I do not always quote them. So, if you have merely read my statements but have not looked up the referenced holy scripture, I can see how you might not think that there is any scripture that would change your pov over to what I am preaching.
i personally look up everything, to be sure I am not missing anything, what I look over is not only the verses people post, but the co text in the passage as written.
We don’t just blindly listen to anyone, we always test everything they say, otherwise we are men followers not God followers,
 

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But if your wrong your leading people to hell with you, and turning people away from the faith yourself,

Yet that is not the case.

For not only have I studied to shew myself approved; but my prayer every night is that every word that comes off of my keyboard might be from the Holy Ghost.

your right and from what I have seen you post, your scripture contrade contradicts itself, so instead of getting angry, why do you not humble yourself and listen to what others are trying to show you

Let them show me clearly and I will listen.

It will not cut it to simply say that what I am saying contradicts itself. There are those who say that the holy scriptures contradict themselves. However, there are reconciliations to those contradictions; and you need to consider that there are reconciliations to my statements that appear to contradict themselves also.
 

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Yet that is not the case.

For not only have I studied to shew myself approved; but my prayer every night is that every word that comes off of my keyboard might be from the Holy Ghost.

then like I said you are unreachable, and will not find many people who are open to you, about the best you will find is those who agree with you.

sadly this thread just made it worse for you because your true pride and hypocrisy is there for all to see.

believe me, a lot of what you say does not come from God, you teach a works based gospel. Which is not found in scripture, but since you are all knowing, you will never see the err of your way

anyway, i am done, I refuse to give you an audience anymore, I will pray for you, not that God will fight you or attack you or stand up for me , but that God may soften your heart and show you his love