God’S Curses Are Still On The True Israelites Of Today!!

veteran · Nov 26, 2010

Eccl.12:13 said:
I see xander is correct....you are NOT paying attention to what I am posting veteran:

This is what I posted before your last post;

"God's word NEVER says that some of Israel would not be blessed; David, Solomon, and Job come to mind! But as a WHOLE the peoples, not nations, that are the true Israel of the bible are still cursed and the signs are there for all to see!"

Like I said before, I have paid attention to what you're trying to infer, but you are terribly wrong!

It's simply because YOU do not recognize the "multitude of nations" prophecy in Gen.48 that Ephraim was to become, and how that prophecy involves what our Lord Jesus said in Matt.21 that His Vineyard (Israel per Isaiah 5) would be TAKEN AWAY FROM the unbelieving Jews, and given to a NATION that would bring forth the fruits thereof.

You're denying that, AND the great abundance of EVIDENCE that was fulfilled with the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, shows just how wrong your interpretation of who and where God's true Israel is today, which is FIRST required to recognize the curses or blessings God promised upon them!

Moreover, you even BEGAN this thread with trying to say that God's Israel is still cursed today, and will be forever, which is a BOLDFACED LIE! That is a direct denial of MUCH of God's Word that declares His Blessings upon His Israel forever when He gathers them back to the lands He promise their fathers!!!

Now for the part you just really do not get is this:

God gave Israel a bill of divorce which will remain until God returns. Why? Because Israel, as a people, never returned to obeying their God. Israel was scattered into all nations around 70ad, just as Jesus said would happen, AND, just as God said will NOT return to their land until He gathers them. Now this is what God says. This is not my doctrine!

Yes, God DID given the "house of Israel" a bill of divorce (Jer.3), for falling away into Baal idol worship against Him. And He then scattered the "house of Israel" out of the holy land to never return there. That is specifically about the lost ten tribes of Israel being scattered LONG BEFORE 70 A.D. (see 2 Kings 17). Those in the holy land that were scattered by the Romans in 70 A.D. were JEWS of the "house of Judah"! That's the Jewish Diaspora scattering, NOT the ten tribed "house of Israel".

If you would only STUDY your Old Testament Bible history about the two separate 'houses' of Israel, you would know all this. But IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DON'T CARE TO STUDY ALL OF GOD'S WORD, BUT INSTEAD FOLLOW DOCTRINES OF MEN.

Which leave us this;

God's statement that Israel would NOT be gathered again in their land until HIs return and David is made their king is true!

OR,

The statement that most of the world agrees, saying Israel has been gathered and the people in the land today are the Israel of the bible is true!

You cannot have both!

God says ALL of Israel WILL be gathered when He returns!

While the world says Israel HAS been gathered since 1948!

You STILL don't know what you're talking about, because you've been listening to the WORLD and men's doctrines, not God's Word.

What do you think The New Testament is declaring? Do you think The Gospel only went to Gentiles like some deceived do who follow false teachings like C.R. Stam of a twin Gospel, one for Israel ONLY when they are gathered in final, and another gospel only for Gentiles? That is an idiotic teaching, and is against God's Holy Writ.

IT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR YOU INTEND TO TOTALLY DENY GOD'S WORD ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF ISRAEL INTO TWO SEPARATE HOUSES, even while you quote from Scripture like Ezekiel 37 which CLEARLY reveals the two houses of Israel as separated.

It's also very clear you intend to LISTEN TO THE WORLD AND NOT GOD'S WORD, since your understanding is based upon who the world says Israel is today instead of what God's Word reveals where and who they are today.

And you never gave a reply to the following;

I know this is a hard one to swallow, but that fact of the matter is this;

God said His curses would be on ALL of the house of Israel until HIs return!

He NEVER said He would remove His curse and replace them with blessing!
He NEVER said He would bless some of Israel and curse others!
He NEVER took back His bill of divorce that He gave to Israel!
And as a result Israel NEVER, as a people, returned to their God!

Once again, you show your Biblical ignorance with how you interpret Christ's Messages to the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia in Rev.2 & 3.

Christ's mention of the "synagogue of Satan" in those Messages IS NOT ABOUT ALL ISRAELITES, NOR ABOUT ALL JEWS.

It's about a group of "certain men crept unawares" per Jude 1. It's about the history of FOREIGNERS of pagandom that crept in among Israel and Judah early in Israel's history!!

Per 1 Chronicles 2, the scribes were the KENITES...

1 Chr 2:55
55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
(KJV)

Gen 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
(KJV)

Why are those Kenites that made up the families of the scribes in Israel listed among those nations of Canaan in Genesis 15? Simple. It's because those Kenites WERE of the nations of Canaan; they were FOREIGNERS NOT OF ISRAELITE BIRTH.

Later

Eccl.12:13 said:
I see xander is correct....you are NOT paying attention to what I am posting veteran:

This is what I posted before your last post;

"God's word NEVER says that some of Israel would not be blessed; David, Solomon, and Job come to mind! But as a WHOLE the peoples, not nations, that are the true Israel of the bible are still cursed and the signs are there for all to see!"

Like I said before, I have paid attention to what you're trying to infer, but you are terribly wrong!

It's simply because YOU do not recognize the "multitude of nations" prophecy in Gen.48 that Ephraim was to become, and how that prophecy involves what our Lord Jesus said in Matt.21 that His Vineyard (Israel per Isaiah 5) would be TAKEN AWAY FROM the unbelieving Jews, and given to a NATION that would bring forth the fruits thereof.

You're denying that, AND the great abundance of EVIDENCE that was fulfilled with the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, shows just how wrong your interpretation of who and where God's true Israel is today, which is FIRST required to recognize the curses or blessings God promised upon them!

Moreover, you even BEGAN this thread with trying to say that God's Israel is still cursed today, and will be forever, which is a BOLDFACED LIE! That is a direct denial of MUCH of God's Word that declares His Blessings upon His Israel forever when He gathers them back to the lands He promise their fathers!!!

Now for the part you just really do not get is this:

God gave Israel a bill of divorce which will remain until God returns. Why? Because Israel, as a people, never returned to obeying their God. Israel was scattered into all nations around 70ad, just as Jesus said would happen, AND, just as God said will NOT return to their land until He gathers them. Now this is what God says. This is not my doctrine!

Yes, God DID given the "house of Israel" a bill of divorce (Jer.3), for falling away into Baal idol worship against Him. And He then scattered the "house of Israel" out of the holy land to never return there. That is specifically about the lost ten tribes of Israel being scattered LONG BEFORE 70 A.D. (see 2 Kings 17). Those in the holy land that were scattered by the Romans in 70 A.D. were JEWS of the "house of Judah"! That's the Jewish Diaspora scattering, NOT the ten tribed "house of Israel".

If you would only STUDY your Old Testament Bible history about the two separate 'houses' of Israel, you would know all this. But IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DON'T CARE TO STUDY ALL OF GOD'S WORD, BUT INSTEAD FOLLOW DOCTRINES OF MEN.

Which leave us this;

God's statement that Israel would NOT be gathered again in their land until HIs return and David is made their king is true!

OR,

The statement that most of the world agrees, saying Israel has been gathered and the people in the land today are the Israel of the bible is true!

You cannot have both!

God says ALL of Israel WILL be gathered when He returns!

While the world says Israel HAS been gathered since 1948!

You STILL don't know what you're talking about, because you've been listening to the WORLD and men's doctrines, not God's Word.

What do you think The New Testament is declaring? Do you think The Gospel only went to Gentiles like some deceived do who follow false teachings like C.R. Stam of a twin Gospel, one for Israel ONLY when they are gathered in final, and another gospel only for Gentiles? That is an idiotic teaching, and is against God's Holy Writ.

IT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR YOU INTEND TO TOTALLY DENY GOD'S WORD ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF ISRAEL INTO TWO SEPARATE HOUSES, even while you quote from Scripture like Ezekiel 37 which CLEARLY reveals the two houses of Israel as separated.

It's also very clear you intend to LISTEN TO THE WORLD AND NOT GOD'S WORD, since your understanding is based upon who the world says Israel is today instead of what God's Word reveals where and who they are today.

And you never gave a reply to the following;

I know this is a hard one to swallow, but that fact of the matter is this;

God said His curses would be on ALL of the house of Israel until HIs return!

He NEVER said He would remove His curse and replace them with blessing!
He NEVER said He would bless some of Israel and curse others!
He NEVER took back His bill of divorce that He gave to Israel!
And as a result Israel NEVER, as a people, returned to their God!

Once again, you show your Biblical ignorance with how you interpret Christ's Messages to the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia in Rev.2 & 3.

Christ's mention of the "synagogue of Satan" in those Messages IS NOT ABOUT ALL ISRAELITES, NOR ABOUT ALL JEWS.

It's about a group of "certain men crept unawares" per Jude 1. It's about the history of FOREIGNERS of pagandom that crept in among Israel and Judah early in Israel's history!!

Per 1 Chronicles 2, the scribes were the KENITES...

1 Chr 2:55
55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
(KJV)

Gen 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
(KJV)

Why are those Kenites that made up the families of the scribes in Israel listed among those nations of Canaan in Genesis 15? Simple. It's because those Kenites WERE of the nations of Canaan; they were FOREIGNERS NOT OF ISRAELITE BIRTH.

Later when a small

Eccl.12:13 said:
I see xander is correct....you are NOT paying attention to what I am posting veteran:

This is what I posted before your last post;

"God's word NEVER says that some of Israel would not be blessed; David, Solomon, and Job come to mind! But as a WHOLE the peoples, not nations, that are the true Israel of the bible are still cursed and the signs are there for all to see!"

Like I said before, I have paid attention to what you're trying to infer, but you are terribly wrong!

It's simply because YOU do not recognize the "multitude of nations" prophecy in Gen.48 that Ephraim was to become, and how that prophecy involves what our Lord Jesus said in Matt.21 that His Vineyard (Israel per Isaiah 5) would be TAKEN AWAY FROM the unbelieving Jews, and given to a NATION that would bring forth the fruits thereof.

You're denying that, AND the great abundance of EVIDENCE that was fulfilled with the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, shows just how wrong your interpretation of who and where God's true Israel is today, which is FIRST required to recognize the curses or blessings God promised upon them!

Moreover, you even BEGAN this thread with trying to say that God's Israel is still cursed today, and will be forever, which is a BOLDFACED LIE! That is a direct denial of MUCH of God's Word that declares His Blessings upon His Israel forever when He gathers them back to the lands He promise their fathers!!!

Now for the part you just really do not get is this:

God gave Israel a bill of divorce which will remain until God returns. Why? Because Israel, as a people, never returned to obeying their God. Israel was scattered into all nations around 70ad, just as Jesus said would happen, AND, just as God said will NOT return to their land until He gathers them. Now this is what God says. This is not my doctrine!

Yes, God DID given the "house of Israel" a bill of divorce (Jer.3), for falling away into Baal idol worship against Him. And He then scattered the "house of Israel" out of the holy land to never return there. That is specifically about the lost ten tribes of Israel being scattered LONG BEFORE 70 A.D. (see 2 Kings 17). Those in the holy land that were scattered by the Romans in 70 A.D. were JEWS of the "house of Judah"! That's the Jewish Diaspora scattering, NOT the ten tribed "house of Israel".

If you would only STUDY your Old Testament Bible history about the two separate 'houses' of Israel, you would know all this. But IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DON'T CARE TO STUDY ALL OF GOD'S WORD, BUT INSTEAD FOLLOW DOCTRINES OF MEN.

Which leave us this;

God's statement that Israel would NOT be gathered again in their land until HIs return and David is made their king is true!

OR,

The statement that most of the world agrees, saying Israel has been gathered and the people in the land today are the Israel of the bible is true!

You cannot have both!

God says ALL of Israel WILL be gathered when He returns!

While the world says Israel HAS been gathered since 1948!

You STILL don't know what you're talking about, because you've been listening to the WORLD and men's doctrines, not God's Word.

What do you think The New Testament is declaring? Do you think The Gospel only went to Gentiles like some deceived do who follow false teachings like C.R. Stam of a twin Gospel, one for Israel ONLY when they are gathered in final, and another gospel only for Gentiles? That is an idiotic teaching, and is against God's Holy Writ.

IT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR YOU INTEND TO TOTALLY DENY GOD'S WORD ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF ISRAEL INTO TWO SEPARATE HOUSES, even while you quote from Scripture like Ezekiel 37 which CLEARLY reveals the two houses of Israel as separated.

It's also very clear you intend to LISTEN TO THE WORLD AND NOT GOD'S WORD, since your understanding is based upon who the world says Israel is today instead of what God's Word reveals where and who they are today.

And you never gave a reply to the following;

I know this is a hard one to swallow, but that fact of the matter is this;

God said His curses would be on ALL of the house of Israel until HIs return!

He NEVER said He would remove His curse and replace them with blessing!
He NEVER said He would bless some of Israel and curse others!
He NEVER took back His bill of divorce that He gave to Israel!
And as a result Israel NEVER, as a people, returned to their God!

Once again, you show your Biblical ignorance with how you interpret Christ's Messages to the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia in Rev.2 & 3.

Christ's mention of the "synagogue of Satan" in those Messages IS NOT ABOUT ALL ISRAELITES, NOR ABOUT ALL JEWS.

It's about a group of "certain men crept unawares" per Jude 1. It's about the history of FOREIGNERS of pagandom that crept in among Israel and Judah early in Israel's history!!

Per 1 Chronicles 2, the scribes were the KENITES...

1 Chr 2:55
55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
(KJV)

Gen 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
(KJV)

Why are those Kenites that made up the families of the scribes in Israel listed among those nations of Canaan in Genesis 15? Simple. It's because those Kenites WERE of the nations of Canaan; they were FOREIGNERS NOT OF ISRAELITE BIRTH.

Later when a small remnant

Eccl.12:13 said:
I see xander is correct....you are NOT paying attention to what I am posting veteran:

This is what I posted before your last post;

"God's word NEVER says that some of Israel would not be blessed; David, Solomon, and Job come to mind! But as a WHOLE the peoples, not nations, that are the true Israel of the bible are still cursed and the signs are there for all to see!"

Like I said before, I have paid attention to what you're trying to infer, but you are terribly wrong!

It's simply because YOU do not recognize the "multitude of nations" prophecy in Gen.48 that Ephraim was to become, and how that prophecy involves what our Lord Jesus said in Matt.21 that His Vineyard (Israel per Isaiah 5) would be TAKEN AWAY FROM the unbelieving Jews, and given to a NATION that would bring forth the fruits thereof.

You're denying that, AND the great abundance of EVIDENCE that was fulfilled with the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, shows just how wrong your interpretation of who and where God's true Israel is today, which is FIRST required to recognize the curses or blessings God promised upon them!

Moreover, you even BEGAN this thread with trying to say that God's Israel is still cursed today, and will be forever, which is a BOLDFACED LIE! That is a direct denial of MUCH of God's Word that declares His Blessings upon His Israel forever when He gathers them back to the lands He promise their fathers!!!

Now for the part you just really do not get is this:

God gave Israel a bill of divorce which will remain until God returns. Why? Because Israel, as a people, never returned to obeying their God. Israel was scattered into all nations around 70ad, just as Jesus said would happen, AND, just as God said will NOT return to their land until He gathers them. Now this is what God says. This is not my doctrine!

Yes, God DID given the "house of Israel" a bill of divorce (Jer.3), for falling away into Baal idol worship against Him. And He then scattered the "house of Israel" out of the holy land to never return there. That is specifically about the lost ten tribes of Israel being scattered LONG BEFORE 70 A.D. (see 2 Kings 17). Those in the holy land that were scattered by the Romans in 70 A.D. were JEWS of the "house of Judah"! That's the Jewish Diaspora scattering, NOT the ten tribed "house of Israel".

If you would only STUDY your Old Testament Bible history about the two separate 'houses' of Israel, you would know all this. But IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DON'T CARE TO STUDY ALL OF GOD'S WORD, BUT INSTEAD FOLLOW DOCTRINES OF MEN.

Which leave us this;

God's statement that Israel would NOT be gathered again in their land until HIs return and David is made their king is true!

OR,

The statement that most of the world agrees, saying Israel has been gathered and the people in the land today are the Israel of the bible is true!

You cannot have both!

God says ALL of Israel WILL be gathered when He returns!

While the world says Israel HAS been gathered since 1948!

You STILL don't know what you're talking about, because you've been listening to the WORLD and men's doctrines, not God's Word.

What do you think The New Testament is declaring? Do you think The Gospel only went to Gentiles like some deceived do who follow false teachings like C.R. Stam of a twin Gospel, one for Israel ONLY when they are gathered in final, and another gospel only for Gentiles? That is an idiotic teaching, and is against God's Holy Writ.

IT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR YOU INTEND TO TOTALLY DENY GOD'S WORD ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF ISRAEL INTO TWO SEPARATE HOUSES, even while you quote from Scripture like Ezekiel 37 which CLEARLY reveals the two houses of Israel as separated.

It's also very clear you intend to LISTEN TO THE WORLD AND NOT GOD'S WORD, since your understanding is based upon who the world says Israel is today instead of what God's Word reveals where and who they are today.

And you never gave a reply to the following;

I know this is a hard one to swallow, but that fact of the matter is this;

God said His curses would be on ALL of the house of Israel until HIs return!

He NEVER said He would remove His curse and replace them with blessing!
He NEVER said He would bless some of Israel and curse others!
He NEVER took back His bill of divorce that He gave to Israel!
And as a result Israel NEVER, as a people, returned to their God!

Once again, you show your Biblical ignorance with how you interpret Christ's Messages to the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia in Rev.2 & 3.

Christ's mention of the "synagogue of Satan" in those Messages IS NOT ABOUT ALL ISRAELITES, NOR ABOUT ALL JEWS.

It's about a group of "certain men crept unawares" per Jude 1. It's about the history of FOREIGNERS of pagandom that crept in among Israel and Judah early in Israel's history!!

Per 1 Chronicles 2, the scribes were the KENITES...

1 Chr 2:55
55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
(KJV)

Gen 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
(KJV)

Why are those Kenites that made up the families of the scribes in Israel listed among those nations of Canaan in Genesis 15? Simple. It's because those Kenites WERE of the nations of Canaan; they were FOREIGNERS NOT OF ISRAELITE BIRTH.

Later when a small remnant of

Eccl.12:13 said:
I see xander is correct....you are NOT paying attention to what I am posting veteran:

This is what I posted before your last post;

"God's word NEVER says that some of Israel would not be blessed; David, Solomon, and Job come to mind! But as a WHOLE the peoples, not nations, that are the true Israel of the bible are still cursed and the signs are there for all to see!"

Like I said before, I have paid attention to what you're trying to infer, but you are terribly wrong!

It's simply because YOU do not recognize the "multitude of nations" prophecy in Gen.48 that Ephraim was to become, and how that prophecy involves what our Lord Jesus said in Matt.21 that His Vineyard (Israel per Isaiah 5) would be TAKEN AWAY FROM the unbelieving Jews, and given to a NATION that would bring forth the fruits thereof.

You're denying that, AND the great abundance of EVIDENCE that was fulfilled with the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, shows just how wrong your interpretation of who and where God's true Israel is today, which is FIRST required to recognize the curses or blessings God promised upon them!

Moreover, you even BEGAN this thread with trying to say that God's Israel is still cursed today, and will be forever, which is a BOLDFACED LIE! That is a direct denial of MUCH of God's Word that declares His Blessings upon His Israel forever when He gathers them back to the lands He promise their fathers!!!

Now for the part you just really do not get is this:

God gave Israel a bill of divorce which will remain until God returns. Why? Because Israel, as a people, never returned to obeying their God. Israel was scattered into all nations around 70ad, just as Jesus said would happen, AND, just as God said will NOT return to their land until He gathers them. Now this is what God says. This is not my doctrine!

Yes, God DID given the "house of Israel" a bill of divorce (Jer.3), for falling away into Baal idol worship against Him. And He then scattered the "house of Israel" out of the holy land to never return there. That is specifically about the lost ten tribes of Israel being scattered LONG BEFORE 70 A.D. (see 2 Kings 17). Those in the holy land that were scattered by the Romans in 70 A.D. were JEWS of the "house of Judah"! That's the Jewish Diaspora scattering, NOT the ten tribed "house of Israel".

If you would only STUDY your Old Testament Bible history about the two separate 'houses' of Israel, you would know all this. But IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DON'T CARE TO STUDY ALL OF GOD'S WORD, BUT INSTEAD FOLLOW DOCTRINES OF MEN.

Which leave us this;

God's statement that Israel would NOT be gathered again in their land until HIs return and David is made their king is true!

OR,

The statement that most of the world agrees, saying Israel has been gathered and the people in the land today are the Israel of the bible is true!

You cannot have both!

God says ALL of Israel WILL be gathered when He returns!

While the world says Israel HAS been gathered since 1948!

You STILL don't know what you're talking about, because you've been listening to the WORLD and men's doctrines, not God's Word.

What do you think The New Testament is declaring? Do you think The Gospel only went to Gentiles like some deceived do who follow false teachings like C.R. Stam of a twin Gospel, one for Israel ONLY when they are gathered in final, and another gospel only for Gentiles? That is an idiotic teaching, and is against God's Holy Writ.

IT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR YOU INTEND TO TOTALLY DENY GOD'S WORD ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF ISRAEL INTO TWO SEPARATE HOUSES, even while you quote from Scripture like Ezekiel 37 which CLEARLY reveals the two houses of Israel as separated.

It's also very clear you intend to LISTEN TO THE WORLD AND NOT GOD'S WORD, since your understanding is based upon who the world says Israel is today instead of what God's Word reveals where and who they are today.

And you never gave a reply to the following;

I know this is a hard one to swallow, but that fact of the matter is this;

God said His curses would be on ALL of the house of Israel until HIs return!

He NEVER said He would remove His curse and replace them with blessing!
He NEVER said He would bless some of Israel and curse others!
He NEVER took back His bill of divorce that He gave to Israel!
And as a result Israel NEVER, as a people, returned to their God!

Once again, you show your Biblical ignorance with how you interpret Christ's Messages to the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia in Rev.2 & 3.

Christ's mention of the "synagogue of Satan" in those Messages IS NOT ABOUT ALL ISRAELITES, NOR ABOUT ALL JEWS.

It's about a group of "certain men crept unawares" per Jude 1. It's about the history of FOREIGNERS of pagandom that crept in among Israel and Judah early in Israel's history!!

Per 1 Chronicles 2, the scribes were the KENITES...

1 Chr 2:55
55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
(KJV)

Gen 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
(KJV)

Why are those Kenites that made up the families of the scribes in Israel listed among those nations of Canaan in Genesis 15? Simple. It's because those Kenites WERE of the nations of Canaan; they were FOREIGNERS NOT OF ISRAELITE BIRTH.

Later when a small remnant of the house of

veteran · Nov 26, 2010

Eccl.12:13 said:
I see xander is correct....you are NOT paying attention to what I am posting veteran:

This is what I posted before your last post;

"God's word NEVER says that some of Israel would not be blessed; David, Solomon, and Job come to mind! But as a WHOLE the peoples, not nations, that are the true Israel of the bible are still cursed and the signs are there for all to see!"

YOU are the one not paying attention to God's Word involving the history of Israel, nor Bible prophecy that Ephraim was to become "a multitude of nations" (Gen.48), nor Christ's prophecy that He would take away His Vineyard (Israel per Isa.5) from the unbelieving Jews, and instead give it to a NATION that would bring forth the fruits thereof (Matthew 21).

When Christ used the VINEYARD metaphor in Matt.21, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLES OF ISRAEL, AS A NATION EVEN...

Isa 5:7
7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.
(KJV)

Per God's Word after the split of Israel (1 Kings 11 forward), "the house of Israel" = ten tribes under Ephraim
The "house of Judah" = three tribes under Judah (Judah, Benjamin, and Levi)

YOU HAVE SHOWN YOU DO NOT CARE TO LEARN NOR STUDY GOD'S WORD ABOUT THAT HISTORY OF GOD SPLITTING ISRAEL INTO TWO SEPARATE HOUSES AFTER SOLOMON'S DAYS. YOU SHOW DENIAL OF IT even WHILE you quote prophecy like Ezekiel 37 which declares the two separate houses of Israel.

THERE HAS BEEN PLENTY OF SPACE ON THIS FORUM FOR YOU TO LEARN ABOUT THAT BIBLE HISTORY OF THE TWO SEPARATE HOUSES OF ISRAEL, SO YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE.

Christ removed His Vineyard away from the unbelieving Jews. That means THE MAJORITY OF ISRAELITES BECAUSE THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL OF TEN TRIBES MADE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLES OF ISRAEL. At Christ's first coming, the MAJORITY OF ISRAEL (TEN TRIBES) HAD ALREADY BEEN SCATTERED OUT OF THE HOLY LAND (2 Kings 17).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ was preached to where the majority of the ten tribed house of Israel were scattered, and the MAJORITY OF THEM BELIEVED, along with believing Gentiles. They became the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS, FULFILLING GOD'S PROPHECY THROUGH JACOB THAT EPHRAIM WOULD BECOME "a multitude of nations" (Gen.48).

So have the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS BEEN BLESSED OR CURSED BY GOD THROUGH THEIR HISTORY? It's obvious by The Gospel of Jesus Christ THEY HAVE BEEN THE MOST BLESSED NATIONS ON THIS EARTH!

But you say that God's Israel is cursed until their gathering in final, showing you don't know your Bible about the history of Israel nor their relationship with The Gospel of Jesus Christ! Instead, you say they are cursed still, AND EVEN HAVE SAID A LIE THAT ISRAEL IS CURSED FOREVER!!

The false idea that Israel is cursed forever is A LIE ORIGINATING FROM CHRIST'S ENEMIES, AND IS A REJECTION OF WHO AND WHERE GOD'S TRUE ISRAEL IS TODAY UNDER THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.

And then you followed with this;

Now for the part you just really do not get is this:

God gave Israel a bill of divorce which will remain until God returns. Why? Because Israel, as a people, never returned to obeying their God. Israel was scattered into all nations around 70ad, just as Jesus said would happen, AND, just as God said will NOT return to their land until He gathers them. Now this is what God says. This is not my doctrine!

Not the bill of divorce part of Jer.3, but the rest of it IS YOUR OWN DOCTRINE, or from those false prophets who you listen to.

YOU HAVE MISSED (or actually deny) God's prophecy of His leading the majority of the house of Israel (ten tribes) into the wilderness to new lands, and there He would speak softly to them, and remove their Baal worship, and they would no longer call Him Baali, but Ishi (Book of Hosea). Both Apostles Paul and Peter quoted that Hosea prophecy when preaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ, about a people that God called Loammi (not My people) which He would later call them Ammi (My people). That was about both the scattered ten tribes of the house of Israel along with believing Gentiles coming to The Gospel of Jesus Christ as one body, in the West.

God's statement that Israel would NOT be gathered again in their land until HIs return and David is made their king is true!

OR,

The statement that most of the world agrees, saying Israel has been gathered and the people in the land today are the Israel of the bible is true!

You cannot have both!

God says ALL of Israel WILL be gathered when He returns!

While the world says Israel HAS been gathered since 1948!

The question remains......

Who do YOU believe?

The answer SHOULD be obvious, but, as I am reading....it is NOT!!!

Your choices are very much lacking in alignment with God's Word as written. It's because you're only pulling out a few Scriptures from The Bible and assigning DOCTRINES OF THIS WORLD TO THEM.

The WORLD DOES BELIEVE THE NATION STATE OF ISRAEL IN THE HOLY LAND IS ALL ISRAEL. And that's what you show us you follow, WHAT THE WORLD SAYS, AND NOT WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS.

The nation state of Israel in the holy land today ARE ONLY THE HOUSE OF JUDAH, ONLY ONE PART OF THE PEOPLES OF LITERAL ISRAELITES TODAY. NOT ONLY THAT, THE JEWS IN THE HOLY LAND ARE ONLY A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE HOUSE OF JUDAH. THE MAJORITY OF THE THREE TRIBED HOUSE OF JUDAH REMAINED IN BABYLON AFTER THEIR 70 YEARS CAPTIVITY (That is per both God's Word in the Books of Ezra and Nehemiah, and per the Jewish historian Josephus. Might want to study both before making the false assumptions about Israel that you've done here).

And actually per the Bible history of foreigners creeping into Israel of old, A GOOD PORTION OF THOSE IN THE HOLY LAND THAT CLAIM ISRAELITE HERITAGE REALLY ARE NOT, BUT ARE DESCENDENTS FROM THE HEATHEN NATIONS OF OLD TESTAMENT HISTORY.

Esth 8:17
17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
(KJV)

Per 1 Chronicles 2, the SCRIBES of Israel were of the families of the KENITES. Who were the KENITES?

1 Chr 2:55
55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
(KJV)

Gen 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
(KJV)

What were those Kenites doing as SCRIBES during the time of Christ's first coming? Israel failed God's command to destroy utterly the nations of Canaan, which included those Kenites in Canaan (Judges 2 & 3). So He left them among Israel to use as a test to see whether Israel would follow Him or not.

Does that answer your ignorance about Christ's Messages in Rev.2 & 3 about those of "the synagogue of Satan"? It should, if you had paid attention to all of God's Word. But obviously, you have not paid attention to all of God's Word.

YOU even sound like those deceived on the false dual Gospel idea like C.R. Stam; the idea that there's TWO Gospels, one for Israel, and another for Gentiles. That's a flagrant false doctrine of men. It's used to TRY and support a Biblically non-existence Pre-Trib secret rapture theory of Israel going through the tribulation, while Gentiles under a different Gospel get raptured out prior to the great tribulation.

THAT doctrine is why you would refuse to study and learn God's Word about the split of Israel into two separate houses, with Christ crucified being preached to the majority of the ten tribes scattered among the Gentiles to the West, with both becoming one under the same Gospel of Jesus Christ, AND their being BLESSED AS CHRISTIAN NATIONS... WHILE ALL OTHER NATIONS ON EARTH HAVE BEEN CURSED.

Xanderoc · Nov 26, 2010

Veteran, there you go again using the terms doctrines of men. Calling teachers false prophets. What makes your doctrine the doctrine of the Lord? Do you keep God's holy sabbath? His laws, feasts, his commandments? What makes your doctrine the doctrines of God. Do you keep these pagan holidays? Christmas, halloween, easter. Winter solstice, hallows eve, goddess of fertility feast. All pagan! What makes your doctrine the doctrine of God? If you worship God on Sunday, I can tell you that, it is not the doctrine of The Living God! I want to know what makes you doctrine so different then the worlds. You say you have the truth, what do you believe?

veteran · Nov 27, 2010

xander said:
Veteran, there you go again using the terms doctrines of men. Calling teachers false prophets. What makes your doctrine the doctrine of the Lord? Do you keep God's holy sabbath? His laws, feasts, his commandments? What makes your doctrine the doctrines of God. Do you keep these pagan holidays? Christmas, halloween, easter. Winter solstice, hallows eve, goddess of fertility feast. All pagan! What makes your doctrine the doctrine of God? If you worship God on Sunday, I can tell you that, it is not the doctrine of The Living God! I want to know what makes you doctrine so different then the worlds. You say you have the truth, what do you believe?

My doctrine is from God's Doctrine in His Holy Word The Bible, and history of Its fulfillment. It is not a bunch of FALSE DOCTRINES FROM FALSE JEWS OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.

For those wondering what this thread started by Eccl. is really about, it is ultimately this:

The FALSE JEWS have long had the aim to create a lie among Christianity that ONLY JEWS are of the seed of Israel. Included in that lie is that ONLY the nation state in the holy land called Israel should be known as ISRAEL today.

Yet in Romans 9 through 11, apostle Paul WELL SHOWED that God had preserved a seed of Israel that would believe on Christ Jesus. On top of that, Paul preached in Ephesians 2 that the Gentiles who were once without God and the promises and covenants involving the "commonwealth of Israel", are now made nigh by believing on Christ Jesus. Paul made a DIRECT CONNECTION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL WITH GOD'S PROMISES AND COVENANTS TO BELIEVERS ON CHRIST JESUS.

That connection of the commonwealth of Israel is ONLY about those in Christ Jesus, and has NOTHING to do with unbelieving JEWS who want us to think they only represent the seed of Israel today.

When apostle Paul mentioned God's promises and covenants in association with that "commonwealth of Israel", he was revealing WHERE God moved His Promises and Covenants to, meaning those did not END with the unbelieving JEWS, but were given to another NATION that would bring forth the fruits of His Vineyard (Israel), JUST AS CHRIST SAID IN MATTHEW 21. It is a major pointer to WHO and WHERE God's true Israel is today, in the West represented by the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS.

And to the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS can be found ALL of God's Promises and Covenants per His Birthright first given to Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob, then Joseph, and then Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. It has fulfilled God's promise through Jacob and Joseph that Ephraim would become "a multitude of nations"...

Gen 48:18-20
18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
(KJV)

Gen 35:10-11
10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and He called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
(KJV)

That "company of nations" and "multitude of nations" prophecy is especially involving the seed of Israel (Jacob), just as the Scripture states. It also includes the believing Gentiles with them. Yet to the world, there has only ever been but one nation known as Israel per history. And that's exactly what the FALSE JEWS want the majority of us Christians to keep thinking!

But per that prophecy in God's Word, including prophecies about Ephraim as head tribe over the ten tribes ("house of Israel"), that portion of the seed of Israel which was separated out of the holy land apart from the "house of Judah" (JEWS), and scattered primarily to the West, becoming the western Christian nations, is HOW this prophecy in Genesis was accomplished per history. The Christian West is where Christ Jesus moved His Vineyard of Israel to, for that's where those SAME blessings from God to Israel prior to their fall shows up once again after they accepted The Gospel of Jesus Christ!

God's Birthright Blessings to Israel involve the blessings He outlined in Deuteronomy along with the curses, and they involve...

1. a great number of seed, as many as the stars of the sky and sands of the sea:
The Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said the ten tribes of Israel were still scattered abroad in his day, and that they were a great number of literal seed, too many to be numbered. That reveals he knew where they were scattered to in order to know that. Biblical archaeologists have traced where the majority of the ten tribes of Israel migrated to, in the West and to the Isles, exaclty where God's Word says they will be gathered from in final (Jer.31:8-10).

2. great national wealth:
This blessing from God shows up once again in the Christian West, the lands where the first Christian Nations appeared on earth. It's the Christian West that has been blessed with the most productive natural resources, food production, and great national wealth. It has set the standard for all other nations through its history.

3. great military power:
This once again shows up in the Christian West with great military power and navies that control the gates of their enemies

4. the rule of God's law:
This once again shows up in the Christian West per history, among a people that looked to God's Word The Bible to institute its law and court system. It is in contrast to the false traditions of the FALSE JEWS who left God's Law a long time ago to instead follow their 'own' RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS OF THE JEWS, a system of corruption that Christ Jesus and His Apostles rebuked.

5. continuance of the royal sceptre rule of the house of David:
This also appears again in the CHRISTIAN WEST with European kings and queens upon thrones declared as Defenders Of The Faith. Per history of the Irish, Scottish, and English kings and queens, they have been coronated in the same method as the kings of Israel, and either standing upon or next to the pillar stone, which has been in the Isles since ancient Ireland's history. Queen Elizabeth II who is still living, was the last royal monarch in the Isles in 1953 to be coronated upon the pillar stone like the kings of Israel were.

THIS is why the FALSE JEWS really, really HATE this teaching from God's Word about His moving His Vineyard of Israel to another NATION, and that nation would bring forth the fruits thereof (Matt.21; Isaiah 5). So of course those JEWS are going to be strongly against the history and prophecy in God's Word about the split of Israel into two separate houses, with God establishing the ten tribes in the West under The Gospel as the "commonwealth of Israel" Paul preached among believing Gentiles who are graffed in.

And that's also why the idea that God's Blessings upon His Israel again only when Christ returns is a LIE in denying how God fulfilled prophecy about His Israel today among the Christian West through The Gospel manifested as "a multitude of nations". It would be like saying since His Blessings no longer exist, then He didn't fulfill what He said He would involving the moving of His Vineyard Israel to a nation that would bring forth its fruits. And HOW GLORIOUSLY FRUITFUL THE WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS HAVE BEEN IN THE GOSPEL, IT'S LITERALLY AMAZING!

The same "crept in unawares" Judaizers that apostle Paul had to put up with of Pharisee Jewish converts to Christ who wanted to lord it over the Gentiles are still within Christian circles today (Acts 15; Gal.2). THAT's where such ideas are still coming from that ONLY JEWS are literal seed Israelites, and only the state of Israel in the holy land today as God's Israel. In reality though, MOST JEWS even cannot prove their geneaology back to Jacob, they've been so infiltrated by foreigners of other nations throughout their "house of Judah" history.

Xanderoc · Nov 27, 2010

veteran said:
My doctrine is from God's Doctrine in His Holy Word The Bible, and history of Its fulfillment. It is not a bunch of FALSE DOCTRINES FROM FALSE JEWS OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.

For those wondering what this thread started by Eccl. is really about, it is ultimately this:

The FALSE JEWS have long had the aim to create a lie among Christianity that ONLY JEWS are of the seed of Israel. Included in that lie is that ONLY the nation state in the holy land called Israel should be known as ISRAEL today.

Yet in Romans 9 through 11, apostle Paul WELL SHOWED that God had preserved a seed of Israel that would believe on Christ Jesus. On top of that, Paul preached in Ephesians 2 that the Gentiles who were once without God and the promises and covenants involving the "commonwealth of Israel", are now made nigh by believing on Christ Jesus. Paul made a DIRECT CONNECTION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL WITH GOD'S PROMISES AND COVENANTS TO BELIEVERS ON CHRIST JESUS.

That connection of the commonwealth of Israel is ONLY about those in Christ Jesus, and has NOTHING to do with unbelieving JEWS who want us to think they only represent the seed of Israel today.

When apostle Paul mentioned God's promises and covenants in association with that "commonwealth of Israel", he was revealing WHERE God moved His Promises and Covenants to, meaning those did not END with the unbelieving JEWS, but were given to another NATION that would bring forth the fruits of His Vineyard (Israel), JUST AS CHRIST SAID IN MATTHEW 21. It is a major pointer to WHO and WHERE God's true Israel is today, in the West represented by the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS.

And to the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS can be found ALL of God's Promises and Covenants per His Birthright first given to Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob, then Joseph, and then Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. It has fulfilled God's promise through Jacob and Joseph that Ephraim would become "a multitude of nations"...

Gen 48:18-20
18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
(KJV)

Gen 35:10-11
10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and He called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
(KJV)

That "company of nations" and "multitude of nations" prophecy is especially involving the seed of Israel (Jacob), just as the Scripture states. It also includes the believing Gentiles with them. Yet to the world, there has only ever been but one nation known as Israel per history. And that's exactly what the FALSE JEWS want the majority of us Christians to keep thinking!

But per that prophecy in God's Word, including prophecies about Ephraim as head tribe over the ten tribes ("house of Israel"), that portion of the seed of Israel which was separated out of the holy land apart from the "house of Judah" (JEWS), and scattered primarily to the West, becoming the western Christian nations, is HOW this prophecy in Genesis was accomplished per history. The Christian West is where Christ Jesus moved His Vineyard of Israel to, for that's where those SAME blessings from God to Israel prior to their fall shows up once again after they accepted The Gospel of Jesus Christ!

God's Birthright Blessings to Israel involve the blessings He outlined in Deuteronomy along with the curses, and they involve...

1. a great number of seed, as many as the stars of the sky and sands of the sea:
The Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said the ten tribes of Israel were still scattered abroad in his day, and that they were a great number of literal seed, too many to be numbered. That reveals he knew where they were scattered to in order to know that. Biblical archaeologists have traced where the majority of the ten tribes of Israel migrated to, in the West and to the Isles, exaclty where God's Word says they will be gathered from in final (Jer.31:8-10).

2. great national wealth:
This blessing from God shows up once again in the Christian West, the lands where the first Christian Nations appeared on earth. It's the Christian West that has been blessed with the most productive natural resources, food production, and great national wealth. It has set the standard for all other nations through its history.

3. great military power:
This once again shows up in the Christian West with great military power and navies that control the gates of their enemies

4. the rule of God's law:
This once again shows up in the Christian West per history, among a people that looked to God's Word The Bible to institute its law and court system. It is in contrast to the false traditions of the FALSE JEWS who left God's Law a long time ago to instead follow their 'own' RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS OF THE JEWS, a system of corruption that Christ Jesus and His Apostles rebuked.

5. continuance of the royal sceptre rule of the house of David:
This also appears again in the CHRISTIAN WEST with European kings and queens upon thrones declared as Defenders Of The Faith. Per history of the Irish, Scottish, and English kings and queens, they have been coronated in the same method as the kings of Israel, and either standing upon or next to the pillar stone, which has been in the Isles since ancient Ireland's history. Queen Elizabeth II who is still living, was the last royal monarch in the Isles in 1953 to be coronated upon the pillar stone like the kings of Israel were.

THIS is why the FALSE JEWS really, really HATE this teaching from God's Word about His moving His Vineyard of Israel to another NATION, and that nation would bring forth the fruits thereof (Matt.21; Isaiah 5). So of course those JEWS are going to be strongly against the history and prophecy in God's Word about the split of Israel into two separate houses, with God establishing the ten tribes in the West under The Gospel as the "commonwealth of Israel" Paul preached among believing Gentiles who are graffed in.

And that's also why the idea that God's Blessings upon His Israel again only when Christ returns is a LIE in denying how God fulfilled prophecy about His Israel today among the Christian West through The Gospel manifested as "a multitude of nations". It would be like saying since His Blessings no longer exist, then He didn't fulfill what He said He would involving the moving of His Vineyard Israel to a nation that would bring forth its fruits. And HOW GLORIOUSLY FRUITFUL THE WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS HAVE BEEN IN THE GOSPEL, IT'S LITERALLY AMAZING!

The same "crept in unawares" Judaizers that apostle Paul had to put up with of Pharisee Jewish converts to Christ who wanted to lord it over the Gentiles are still within Christian circles today (Acts 15; Gal.2). THAT's where such ideas are still coming from that ONLY JEWS are literal seed Israelites, and only the state of Israel in the holy land today as God's Israel. In reality though, MOST JEWS even cannot prove their geneaology back to Jacob, they've been so infiltrated by foreigners of other nations throughout their "house of Judah" history.

You still didn't answer my question. Do you keep the the Lord's holy sabbath? His laws, His feast days? Or do you follow the doctrines of men? Sunday worship? Pagan holidays?

veteran · Nov 30, 2010

xander said:
You still didn't answer my question. Do you keep the the Lord's holy sabbath? His laws, His feast days? Or do you follow the doctrines of men? Sunday worship? Pagan holidays?

What did Christ Jesus mean by His answer in the following?

Mark 2:24-28
24 And the Pharisees said unto Him, "Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?"
25 And He said unto them, "Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?"
27 And He said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
(KJV)

The "crept in unawares" that took over the priest system and positions of the law in Moses' seat took God's Word and turned It into their own set of rules and religious traditions which Christ rebuked. So their following those many Talmud traditions certainly does not prove their being of literal Israel.

Moreover, are God's Blessings of the "commonwealth of Israel" apostle Paul taught upon the unbelieving Jews today, or even upon the majority of Jews as a whole? No...

Is Christ's Vineyard (Israel per Isa.5) in the holy land today among the unbelieving Jews who seek to be strict in following God's law, and even think to be saved by following God's law? Nope.

Matt 21:42-43
42 Jesus saith unto them, "Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
(KJV)

That's what Christ did too, moved His Vineyard Israel out of the hands of those Jews who sought to be justified by following God's law, as it still out of their hands today. God's covenants and promises to Israel are NOW ONLY upon those in Jesus Christ, and that's not shown to exist in the nation state of Israel in the holy land today, but it is manifest in the Christian West.

JarBreaker · Nov 30, 2010

Check out;

1. Noah plants a vineyard, just before Canaan is cursed.

2. Jezebel usurps the king's authority and has Naboth killed on the testimony of 2 false witnesses. Note here: Ahab repented and was given further time, judgment fell on Jezebel right away. Also, Naboth would not sell his inheritance for money.

3. Parable of the wicked husbandman.

4. Ruth and Boaz.

The land and those without an heir to the inheritance still have to be redeemed (not talking about sin redemption) in order for the borders to be enlarged and all the pagan nations who were not wiped out (as Israel was told to do) are again dealt with.

Eccl.12:13 · Nov 30, 2010

God made many promises; some with Abraham and his seed and some with ONLY the nation of Israel, which was not until Jacob…Abraham’s grandson.

Something that should be understood is that the blessing or curses God gave were to the seed of Abraham, BUT they were only to the Israelites, and NOT to any of Abraham’s seed before the (12) tribes!

What you are not understanding is that the covenant you keep referring to, the covenant God made with Abraham and ALL his seed was NOT based on whether Abraham's seed kept His laws or not. The promises made to Abraham and his seed in Gen. was for the LAND and land ONLY! And it was NOT based on anybody keeping or breaking any of God’s laws! There were no curses or blessings involved. God made that promise unconditionally! So no matter what the seed of Abraham did they would always be guaranteed the land of Canaan.

It is possible to be of the seed of Abraham and NOT be one of the (12) tribes of Israel. The (12) tribes came through Jacob. Isaac was not an Israelite! Isaac was the son of Abraham, the seed of Abraham, but it was Isaac’s son, Jacob, that the (12) tribes emerged.

Let’s look and understand. Who did God promise the land of Canaan to? ALL of the seed of Abraham. That would include ALL of the sons that Isaac had and ALL of the sons that Jacob had, including the (12) tribes.

But who did God make the promise to concerning keeping or breaking His laws? That promise was ONLY to the (12) tribes; the Israelites!!

So YES! ALL of Abrahams seed will be blessed with the land of Canaan, regardless if they kept or did not keep God’s laws.

And YES! Some of Abraham’s seed will be blessed, which we know from the following;

Gen.17
[18] And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! [20] And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

But the covenant concerning curses and blessing were ONLY for the (12) tribes…the sons of Jacob; the Israelites!!

And that is what this lesson is about. Identifying, or proving wrong, the (12) tribes!

Once again, if a nation claims to be one of the (12) tribes of Israel then they MUST still have ALL of the curses God put upon them!

Being in the land is NOT a curse!
Having an Army is NOT a curse!
Being able to lend to nations is NOT a curse!

.

veteran · Dec 5, 2010

The Promise God gave through Abraham was not of the law. It was by Faith; Abraham believed and it was counted to him as righteousness (Galatians 3). That Promise is commonly called the Abrahamic Covenant. But it is essentially the New Covenant by Faith on The Saviour. It was given PRIOR to the law. And it includes BOTH the lands of promise AND ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AS ABRAHAM DID, BY FAITH. So the idea that it is only about the land is a faslehood.

That Promise continued to Isaac, then to Jacob, then to Joseph, and then finally to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. That transfer can be simply followed in the Book of Genesis.

Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh were separated from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi after Solomon's days. Jeroboam whom God made as first king over the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) was of the tribe of Ephraim, from Joseph's house (1 Kings 11). Ephraim became the lead tribe over the ten tribes of Israel. God's Birthright Promise continued with them per 1 Chronicles 5. And per Gen.48, Ephraim was to become "a multitude of nations" involving that Promise first given through Abraham. That has come to pass with God's scattering of the ten tribes of Israel to new lands, where the believing Gentiles there, and of all nations, were to included in that Promise. It is about the Salvation Promise through Christ Jesus, and it involves Christians and Christianity, not Judaism of the unbelieving Jews.

As Christians, it should be our hope that the unbelieving Jews will turn to Christ Jesus also, and I believe the majority of them will some day, but not those unbelievers among them that purposefully turn them away from Christ Jesus. At Christ's second coming is when the ten tribes will return to those lands of Promise God originally gave to Abraham. And that will include the believing Gentiles of all nations. So the manifesting of the Promise about the land in final is not yet today, for only a small remnant of the "house of Judah" (Jews) are in the land today, while the majority of Israelites are still scattered.

bud02 · Dec 5, 2010

veteran said:
The Promise God gave through Abraham was not of the law. It was by Faith; Abraham believed and it was counted to him as righteousness (Galatians 3). That Promise is commonly called the Abrahamic Covenant. But it is essentially the New Covenant by Faith on The Saviour. It was given PRIOR to the law. And it includes BOTH the lands of promise AND ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AS ABRAHAM DID, BY FAITH. So the idea that it is only about the land is a faslehood.

That Promise continued to Isaac, then to Jacob, then to Joseph, and then finally to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. That transfer can be simply followed in the Book of Genesis.

Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh were separated from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi after Solomon's days. Jeroboam whom God made as first king over the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) was of the tribe of Ephraim, from Joseph's house (1 Kings 11). Ephraim became the lead tribe over the ten tribes of Israel. God's Birthright Promise continued with them per 1 Chronicles 5. And per Gen.48, Ephraim was to become "a multitude of nations" involving that Promise first given through Abraham. That has come to pass with God's scattering of the ten tribes of Israel to new lands, where the believing Gentiles there, and of all nations, were to included in that Promise. It is about the Salvation Promise through Christ Jesus, and it involves Christians and Christianity, not Judaism of the unbelieving Jews.

As Christians, it should be our hope that the unbelieving Jews will turn to Christ Jesus also, and I believe the majority of them will some day, but not those unbelievers among them that purposefully turn them away from Christ Jesus. At Christ's second coming is when the ten tribes will return to those lands of Promise God originally gave to Abraham. And that will include the believing Gentiles of all nations. So the manifesting of the Promise about the land in final is not yet today, for only a small remnant of the "house of Judah" (Jews) are in the land today, while the majority of Israelites are still scattered.

Im not trying to start a disagreement but you left out Judah's inheritance, you see this is where the promise was split. The two sticks yet to be joined together.
Up until this point the promise rested on Jacob but he split it in his blessing. Your only giving half the story. Threw Judah came the seed Jesus
Gal 3:16 [sup]16[/sup] Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed, who is Christ.

Genesis 49
[sup]8[/sup] “ Judah, you are he whom your brothers shall praise;
Your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies;
Your father’s children shall bow down before you. [sup]9[/sup] Judah is a lion’s whelp;
From the prey, my son, you have gone up.
He bows down, he lies down as a lion;
And as a lion, who shall rouse him?

[sup]10[/sup] The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
Nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
Until Shiloh comes;
And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.

[sup]11[/sup] Binding his donkey to the vine,
And his donkey’s colt to the choice vine,
He washed his garments in wine,
And his clothes in the blood of grapes.

[sup]12[/sup] His eyes are darker than wine,
And his teeth whiter than milk.

And to Joseph

[sup]22[/sup] “ Joseph is a fruitful bough,
A fruitful bough by a well;
His branches run over the wall. [sup]23[/sup] The archers have bitterly grieved him,
Shot at him and hated him.

[sup]24[/sup] But his bow remained in strength,
And the arms of his hands were made strong
By the hands of the Mighty God of Jacob
(From there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel),

[sup]25[/sup] By the God of your father who will help you,
And by the Almighty who will bless you
With blessings of heaven above,
Blessings of the deep that lies beneath,
Blessings of the breasts and of the womb.

[sup]26[/sup] The blessings of your father
Have excelled the blessings of my ancestors,
Up to the utmost bound of the everlasting hills.
They shall be on the head of Joseph,
And on the crown of the head of him who was separate from his brothers.

jiggyfly · Dec 6, 2010

xander said:
Amen! That is right what you say Ecc. Israel will not be gathered until David is their king. After the tribulation, after the first resurrection, when Christ returns. Veteran, has not realized that Lord gave all secrets to His prophets. If the prophets didn't write it, it will not happen. Veteran, and many others want to circumvent the Old testament, with the New testament. You need both testaments too get the truth.

Where is the death of JFK, Watergate, 9-11 written in the scriptures? We know it happen yet I haven't seen it written.

Eccl.12:13 · Dec 6, 2010

jiggyfly said:
Where is the death of JFK, Watergate, 9-11 written in the scriptures? We know it happen yet I haven't seen it written.

"But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy."

"Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on."

"How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts."

Please.......say what you like! Poke fun and make jokes if it so pleases you!

But through all of what you say and do, God's word is true! And His true people have not been gathered, nor will they be gathered in their land until King David rules over them and is their king once again!

And why is all of this important?

Because if you base prophecy on a event, such as the gathering of Israel, and that event is wrong, then how can your prophecy be correct?

The people in the land today cannot be the true Israelites because the prophets did not say this is the way it is supposed to be. God's prophets said the following;

"And I will scatter you among the heathen" Lev.26:33
"I will scatter them also among the heathen" Jer.9:16
"I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy" Jer.18:17
"and disperse thee in the countries" Ezek.22:15

And God said, though He scattered Israel, they would also be gathered by Him;

"Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock."

"And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase."

"And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive."

"Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:"

"And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out."

"And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:"

And HOW will we know that it was God that gathered the true Israelite? When we will be able to look over at Jerusalem and see the following as King.....

"And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever."

Readers of the word of God you can;

Study, believe and trust the signs given in the word of God, or...

Listen to those that mock the word of God!

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jiggyfly · Dec 7, 2010

Eccl.12:13 said:
"But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy."

"Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on."

"How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts."

Please.......say what you like! Poke fun and make jokes if it so pleases you!

But through all of what you say and do, God's word is true! And His true people have not been gathered, nor will they be gathered in their land until King David rules over them and is their king once again!

And why is all of this important?

Because if you base prophecy on a event, such as the gathering of Israel, and that event is wrong, then how can your prophecy be correct?

The people in the land today cannot be the true Israelites because the prophets did not say this is the way it is supposed to be. God's prophets said the following;

"And I will scatter you among the heathen" Lev.26:33
"I will scatter them also among the heathen" Jer.9:16
"I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy" Jer.18:17
"and disperse thee in the countries" Ezek.22:15

And God said, though He scattered Israel, they would also be gathered by Him;

"Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock."

"And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase."

"And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive."

"Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:"

"And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out."

"And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:"

And HOW will we know that it was God that gathered the true Israelite? When we will be able to look over at Jerusalem and see the following as King.....

"And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever."

Readers of the word of God you can;

Study, believe and trust the signs given in the word of God, or...

Listen to those that mock the word of God!

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No mocking just exposing your error.

Eccl.12:13 · Dec 7, 2010

jiggyfly said:
No mocking just exposing your error.

No!!!! You were mocking! We all know there are billions of things not mentioned in God's word that has happened. Do you really believe anyone would take what you said as serious? I wouldn't, nor would the readers.

The bible is NOT a history book for ALL of the events of mankind! It is a guide for ALL of mankind to learn from and to use to save himself!

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jiggyfly · Dec 7, 2010

No!!!! You were mocking! We all know there are billions of things not mentioned in God's word that has happened. Do you really believe anyone would take what you said as serious? I wouldn't, nor would the readers.

The bible is NOT a history book for ALL of the events of mankind! It is a guide for ALL of mankind to learn from and to use to save himself!

xander said:
Amen! That is right what you say Ecc. Israel will not be gathered until David is their king. After the tribulation, after the first resurrection, when Christ returns. Veteran, has not realized that Lord gave all secrets to His prophets. If the prophets didn't write it, it will not happen. Veteran, and many others want to circumvent the Old testament, with the New testament. You need both testaments too get the truth.

" If the prophets didn't write it, it will not happen"
Your friend Xander said this but I glad to see that you disagree with what he has said.

Eccl.12:13 · Dec 7, 2010

jiggyfly said:
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" If the prophets didn't write it, it will not happen"
Your friend Xander said this but I glad to see that you disagree with what he has said.

Xander and I are both on the same page. We both understand that the events spoken of the prophets are biblical in nature, as I'm sure most of the readers are also well aware. And on that note Xander is absolutly correct; if the prophets did not write it, it did not happen!

Just how old are you? It's as though you are trying to start an argument at the playground!

Now if you care to address the topic, then sobeit! Otherwise...you do NOT have to reply you know!!!!

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jiggyfly · Dec 8, 2010

Eccl.12:13 said:
Xander and I are both on the same page. We both understand that the events spoken of the prophets are biblical in nature, as I'm sure most of the readers are also well aware. And on that note Xander is absolutly correct; if the prophets did not write it, it did not happen!

Just how old are you? It's as though you are trying to start an argument at the playground!

Now if you care to address the topic, then sobeit! Otherwise...you do NOT have to reply you know!!!!

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This is a discussion forum isn't it? Xander posted something that I disagree with and I posted a comment showing why I disagree with what he stated, then you chime in with name calling like "mocker, mocker". You are also the one using all the exclamation points in your post, which is generally a sign of being upset, commonly expressed by those less than mature.

Eccl.12:13 · Dec 8, 2010

jiggyfly said:
This is a discussion forum isn't it? Xander posted something that I disagree with and I posted a comment showing why I disagree with what he stated, then you chime in with name calling like "mocker, mocker".

I am only using the names that my God uses. So as the saying goes, "If the shoe fits....."!

Now let's talk about the signs God gave the whole world so that the true Israelites would NOT be missed.

Deut.28
[45] Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
[47] Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;

God's word says His true choosen would have curses and would be in certain conditions until He gathered them. These conditions are yet upon God's choosen, meaning the prophets were right. If you find a people that claim to be God's chosen but do not have the curses or the conditions, then they cannot be God's choosen people.

Simple question;

Do the people living in the land that claim to be Gods choosen have the curses upon them?

First of all, God's word tells us that the true Israelite would be scattered into all the earth and NOT be gathered until done so by the Lord. One sign of that gathering will be seeing David as their King. I have yet to see King David in Jerusalem!

Some of the other signs are the following;

Israel, as a whole, would not be a great nation.
Israel, as a whole, would make up a large portion of prison houses.
Israel, as a whole, would be borrows and not lenders.
Israel, as a whole, would see their children taken captive.
Israel, as a whole, would not do well in the lands where they dwell, other will rise higher while Israel stayed low.
Israel, as a whole, would not see the fruits of their labor..other nations would benefit.

These are just a few of the signs God gave the world to identify the true Israelites!

Do you know of a people that have these curses upon them?
Is it possible to find a people that are in these conditions where they dwell?

God's word says yes; "And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever."

God's word also tells us something else....

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

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Mercy777 · Dec 9, 2010

veteran said:
It's not just that simple, because God NEVER cut off a 'remnant' of Israel that kept the Faith in following Him (Isaiah 1:9; Isaiah 6; Romans 11:1-5). There has always been an elect remnant of Israel that obeyed and knew His Truth, unto all generations. Thus you're last statement is not true.

You've got the lenders part wrong. Being in position to lend is blessing; not being in a position to lend is the curse part (Deut.28:44).

As can be seen even with the nation state of Israel today in the holy land, they are more blessed than the nations around them, even though the majority of them still refuse Christ Jesus. But the Christian west is still more blessed than they.

The curses or the blessings would be to Israel depending on whether or not they follow God. That's what God's Word shows. The curses are a sign for Israel to know upon themselves, that's what Deut.28:46 is about. Those curses have been upon other nations too, like Communist Russia for example. That's why they've only been able to exist by borrowing from rich nations like the Christian west. We're still giving them foreign aid. So does that point to Communist Russia as being Israel? No, even though there's some Israelites no doubt living there. Lot of Jews there having been returning back to the holy land now that they are allowed to leave.

That's another area of The Bible you're apparently weak on understanding. For that "synagogue of Satan" our Lord Jesus was pointing to is not about His true Israel, but about a group of "crept in unawares" that claim to be Israel, and lord it over true Judah (the good wheat, the good basket of figs). There's a major history of that in God's Word of false ones that began creeping into Judah's stay long ago. Christ pointed to them with the "tares" in Matt.13, and also in Jer.24 with the basket of rotten figs.

Again, look at the nation state of Israel in the holy land today. It is more blessed than the nations around it, yet still not as blessed as God's people in the Christian west. Since the Jews were allowed to return to the holy land, they have flourished in the land by getting back to God's commandments, yet still can't be seen as blessed as those under Christ among the western Christian nations.

That's where you're wrong, because the traditions of men you follow has taught you to totally forget about prophecy in God's Word concerning His Birthright promises to the seed of Israel, which are still present where the majority of Israel are today. Those you've been listening to apparently only recognize the Jews as Israel, and have totally forgotten about prophecy involving the ten tribes which were not, and are not Jews. You need to study more about the division of Israel God made long ago with the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel", and understand who they are. Then you might... begin to understand where they are today, and how it now involves Israel under The New Covenant Jesus Christ (see Matt.21 with the parable of the husbandmen).

Otherwise, you make the same mistake Dispensationalists make in trying to separate Christ's Church apart from Israel. One of the false doctrines Dispensationalism has is there's one gospel to the seed of Israel, and another gospel for Gentiles. But per God's Word, there's only one Gospel of Jesus Christ, and it's the same Gospel to both Israelite and Gentile.

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Agree with this last statement.

Romans 11:25
[ All Israel Will Be Saved ] I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,
Romans 11:26
and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

Galatians 2:

15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 3:

1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Was not Paul a Jew? Was not Abraham an Israelite/Jew, how about Peter, John, James, Andrew, Thomas, etc. Did they not recieve the blessing?

15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed, meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

Reminder; Jesus redeemed us from the curse by becoming a curse for us.

John 3:
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

This gift has been given to all who believe(faith) in Christ**** God shows no favortism.

God bless,
Mercy

Eccl.12:13 · Dec 9, 2010

Mercy said:
Reminder; Jesus redeemed us from the curse by becoming a curse for us.

The curse that Jesus redeemed us from was the curse of 'death'; the second death!

The curse that is YET upon the true Israelites will not be removed until Jesus returns and David is King again in Jerusalem.

To find the true Israelites of the bible one must search and look for a people that STILL have the curses Jesus put upon them. When you find a people with ALL of the curses, living in ALL of the conditions Jesus put upon them, then you will have found God's people.

Anybody claiming to be God's chosen WITHOUT the curses or living in the condtions set forth by God are not telling the truth.

Jesus already gave us a warning. Is it just too hard to believe?

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

It's pretty easy to figure out;

Those with the curses and living in the conditions set forth by the Lord are Israel.

Those without the curses and are not living in the conditions set forth by the Lord are NOT!

The problem is that most want to go with what man says and not trust what God says!

There are a people that are YET cursed with the exact curses and are living in the conditions that God described....but I'm sure most as saying, "No way could THEY be the apple of God's eye! No way could they be God's chosen!" But the fact is......

THEY ARE!!!!!

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God’S Curses Are Still On The True Israelites Of Today!!

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