Who Are The Peacemakers?

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Who are the peacemakers that Christ tells us will be blessed? It seems that Christians are concerned with fighting against the world and looking out for wars and rumors of wars, and distrusting all attempts toward peace - so, who are the peacemakers?
 

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Bait thread.
Throwing out an unfair generalization of all Christians just to see who would bite.
Why not answer the question yourself? You obviously have a predisposed position.
 

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Bait thread.
Throwing out an unfair generalization of all Christians just to see who would bite.
Why not answer the question yourself? You obviously have a predisposed position.


I am a Christian and I am looking for a real Christian answer. I just finished watching The Mission for the first time and I am interested in the different responses by the Jesuits in the movie - the fighter and the priest who wouldn't fight
 

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I am a Christian and I am looking for a real Christian answer. I just finished watching The Mission for the first time and I am interested in the different responses by the Jesuits in the movie - the fighter and the priest who wouldn't fight


-- So you're changing your original premise for this thread.
 

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Didn't they team up with a guy called Gerry to sing: "how do you do", "Ferry across the Mersey", "you'll never walk alone" etc

Ah no, that was Pacemakers.


Seriously, peacemakers must be people who know God's terms for peace, which is to receive His New Life and live it.

Peace means unity, not just lack of interaction.

Here's a thought:
Jesus didn't say they will be blessed, he said they are blessed (empowered).
Anyone who reconciles someone to God is already a blessed person!

The disciples became peacemakers at Pentecost.

Political peacemakers are not making the peace that jesus came to bring.
Nimrod was a political peacemaker in that he united people.
 

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No. The movie inspired the thread.

"It seems that Christians are concerned with fighting against the world and looking out for wars and rumors of wars, and distrusting all attempts toward peace - so, who are the peacemakers? " - aspen

-- This ^^^^ statement is an overgeneralization of all Christians and you make this far-reaching overgeneralization based on an old Robert DeNiro movie?
 

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Peace has become a relative term.

I personally know many Christians who are peacemakers. They'll cool a hot temper in moments, serve as a respecter and protector of that person who is not there to defend themselves, and much more. It's a loaded question for sure, but I'm going to assume no malice as I don't see a reason for any. :)
 

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"It seems that Christians are concerned with fighting against the world and looking out for wars and rumors of wars, and distrusting all attempts toward peace - so, who are the peacemakers? " - aspen

-- This ^^^^ statement is an overgeneralization of all Christians and you make this far-reaching overgeneralization based on an old Robert DeNiro movie?

Foreigner - I've got some good news for you - if you are suspicious about my intentions for this thread - or even if you are not - you do not have to participate.


 

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Peace has become a relative term.

I personally know many Christians who are peacemakers. They'll cool a hot temper in moments, serve as a respecter and protector of that person who is not there to defend themselves, and much more. It's a loaded question for sure, but I'm going to assume no malice as I don't see a reason for any. :)

No...no malice. I am just interested in the response from the priest who decided to conduct Mass rather than fight - it made me think of the peacemakers that Christ talked about.......which also makes me think that being a peacemaker seems to fit your practical definition (a person who mediates) rather than some one who agrees with doctrine. But, I am not sure about this either because unity does seem to be apart of it as well.


 

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No...no malice. I am just interested in the response from the priest who decided to conduct Mass rather than fight - it made me think of the peacemakers that Christ talked about.......which also makes me think that being a peacemaker seems to fit your practical definition (a person who mediates) rather than some one who agrees with doctrine. But, I am not sure about this either because unity does seem to be apart of it as well.

Your viewing this with eyes of the flesh.
To set the context lets look here. James 4:4 I recommend you remember that verse, friendship with the world

Now look here. Eph 6:12 so the priest is waging war just not the war the world understands.

Peace? heres the peacemaker giving peace to His own. John 14:27 ......huuumm not as the world gives?
 

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Your viewing this with eyes of the flesh.
To set the context lets look here. James 4:4 I recommend you remember that verse, friendship with the world

Now look here. Eph 6:12 so the priest is waging war just not the war the world understands.

Peace? heres the peacemaker giving peace to His own. John 14:27 ......huuumm not as the world gives?

So, are you saying that both priests are waging war? The one who is leading Mass is waging a spiritual battle and Robert De Niro is fighting in the flesh?

I just came across this commentary and I agree with it. Being a peacemakers is much more than simply leaving people with the peace of Christ.

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Peace has become a relative term.

I personally know many Christians who are peacemakers. They'll cool a hot temper in moments, serve as a respecter and protector of that person who is not there to defend themselves, and much more.
Plenty of non-Christians do that, most mothers do it for their children, most teachers do it aty school, most police do it on the streets etc.

It's a loaded question for sure,
What makes you sure?
 

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So, are you saying that both priests are waging war? The one who is leading Mass is waging a spiritual battle and Robert De Niro is fighting in the flesh?

I just came across this commentary and I agree with it. Being a peacemakers is much more than simply leaving people with the peace of Christ.

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[color="#001320"][font="Arial][size="4"][font="Arial] [/font][/color]Blessed are the peacemakers - Those who strive to prevent contention, strife, and war; who use their influence to reconcile opposing parties, and to prevent lawsuits and hostilities in families and neighborhoods. Every man may do something of this; and no man is more like God than he who does it. There ought not to be unlawful and officious interference in that which is none of our business; but without any danger of acquiring this character, every man has many opportunities of reconciling opposing parties. Friends, neighbors, people of influence, lawyers, physicians, ministers of the gospel, may do much to promote peace. And it should be taken in hand in the beginning. "The beginning of strife," says Solomon, "is like the letting out of water." "An ounce of prevention," says the English proverb, "is worth a pound of cure." Long and most deadly quarrels might often be prevented by a little kind interference in the beginning.

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[size="4"]Please don't attempt to imply that I don't know what I speaking of by quoting another verse out of context of what I said and posted John 14:27
Now you see why people post such things. You do have a
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You can't be a peacemaker without knowing the peace of Christ. Take note of this also, that all of the outward signs of a believer can be counterfeited, thats why I rely on "the sheep know the shepherds voice".
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Bait thread.
Throwing out an unfair generalization of all Christians just to see who would bite.
Why not answer the question yourself? You obviously have a predisposed position.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on the Bible
14:25-27 Would we know these things for our good, we must pray for, and depend on the teaching of the Holy Ghost; thus the words of Jesus will be brought to our remembrance, and many difficulties be cleared up which are not plain to others. To all the saints, the Spirit of grace is given to be a remembrancer, and to him, by faith and prayer, we should commit the keeping of what we hear and know. Peace is put for all good, and Christ has left us all that is really and truly good, all the promised good; peace of mind from our justification before God. This Christ calls his peace, for he is himself our Peace. The peace of God widely differs from that of Pharisees or hypocrites, as is shown by its humbling and holy effects.
Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole BibleII. That they should be under the influence of his peace (v. 27): Peace I leave with you. When Christ was about to leave the world he made his will. His soul he committed to his Father; his body he bequeathed to Joseph, to be decently interred; his clothes fell to the soldiers; his mother he left to the care of John: but what should he leave to his poor disciples, that had left all for him? Silver and gold he had none; but he left them that which was infinitely better, his peace. "I leave you, but I leave my peace with you. I not only give you a title to it, but put you in possession of it." He did not part in anger, but in love; for this was his farewell, Peace I leave with you, as a dying father leaves portions to his children; and this is a worthy portion. Observe,

1. The legacy that is here bequeathed Peace, my peace. Peace is put for all good, and Christ has left us all needful good, all that is really and truly good, as all the purchased promised good. Peace is put for reconciliation and love; the peace bequeathed is peace with God, peace with one another; peace in our own bosoms seems to be especially meant; a tranquillity of mind arising from a sense of our justification before God. It is the counterpart of our pardons, and the composure of our minds. This Christ calls his peace, for he is himself our peace, Eph. 2:14. It is the peace he purchased for us and preached to us, and on which the angels congratulated men at his birth, Lu. 2:14.

2. To whom this legacy is bequeathed: "To you, my disciples and followers, that will be exposed to trouble, and have need of peace; to you that are the sons of peace, and are qualified to receive it." This legacy was left to them as the representatives of the church, to them and their successors, to them and all true Christians in all ages.

3. In what manner it is left: Not as the world giveth, give I unto you. That is, (1.) "I do not compliment you with Peace be unto you; no, it is not a mere formality, but a real blessing." (2.) "The peace I give is of such a nature that the smiles of the world cannot give it, nor the frowns of the world take it away." Or, (3.) "The gifts I give to you are not such as this world gives to its children and votaries, to whom it is kind." The world's gifts concern only the body and time; Christ's gifts enrich the soul for eternity: the world gives lying vanities, and that which will cheat us; Christ gives substantial blessings, which will never fail us: the world gives and takes; Christ gives a good part that shall never be taken away. (4.) The peace which Christ gives is infinitely more valuable than that which the world gives. The world's peace begins in ignorance, consists with sin, and ends in endless troubles; Christ's peace begins in grace, consists with no allowed sin, and ends at length in everlasting peace. As is the difference between a killing lethargy and a reviving refreshing sleep, such is the difference between Christ's peace and the world's.

4. What use they should make of it: Let not your heart be troubled, for any evils past or present, neither let it be afraid of any evil to come. Note, Those that are interested in the covenant of grace, and entitled to the peace which Christ gives, ought not to yield to overwhelming griefs and fears. This comes in here as the conclusion of the whole matter; he had said (v. 1), Let not your heart be troubled, and here he repeats it as that for which he had now given sufficient reason.

And your chosen commentary on the same passage, a bit shallow if you ask me but its your life,
Barnes' Notes on the Bible

27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Peace I leave with you - This was a common form of benediction among the Jews. See the notes at Matthew 10:13. It is the invocation of the blessings of peace and happiness. In this place it was, however, much more than a mere form or an empty wish. It came from Him who had power to make peace and to confer it on all, Ephesians 2:15. It refers here particularly to the consolations which he gave to his disciples in view of his approaching death. He had exhorted them not to be troubled John 14:1, and he had stated reasons why they should not be. He explained to them why he was about to leave them; he promised them that he would return; he assured them that the Holy Spirit would come to comfort, teach, and guide them. By all these truths and promises he provided for their peace in the time of his approaching departure. But the expression refers also, doubtless. to the peace which is given to all who love the Saviour. They are by nature enmity against God, Romans 8:7. Their minds are like the troubled sea, which cannot rest, whose waters east up mire and dirt, Isaiah 57:20. They were at war with conscience, with the law and perfections of God, and with all the truths of religion. Their state after conversion is described as a state of peace. They are reconciled to God; they acquiesce in all his claims; and they have a joy which the world knows not in the word, the promises, the law, and the perfections of God, in the plan of salvation, and in the hopes of eternal life. See Romans 1:7; Romans 5:1; Romans 8:6; Romans 14:7; Galatians 5:22; Ephesians 2:17; Ephesians 6:15; Philippians 4:7; Colossians 3:15.

My peace - Such as I only can impart. The special peace which my religion is fitted to impart.

Not as the world -

1. Not as the objects which men commonly pursue - pleasure, fame, wealth. They leave care, anxiety, remorse. They do not meet the desires of the immortal mind, and they are incapable of affording that peace which the soul needs.

2. Not as the men of the world give. They salute you with empty and flattering words, but their professed friendship is often reigned and has no sincerity. You cannot be sure that they are sincere, but Iam.

3. Not as systems of philosophy and false religion give. They profess to give peace, but it is not real. It does not still the voice of conscience; it does not take away sin; it does not reconcile the soul to God.

4. My peace is such as meets all the wants of the soul, silences the alarms of conscience, is fixed and sure amid all external changes, and will abide in the hour of death and forever. How desirable, in a world of anxiety and care, to possess this peace! and how should all who have it not, seek that which the world can neither give nor take away!

Neither let it be afraid - Of any pain, persecutions, or trials. You have a Friend who will never leave you; a peace that shall always attend you. See John 14:1.

If your interested in seeing more just look at the preferences in both Mathew Henry and Albert Barns it doesn't take a scientist to see a vast difference in character, in reading the first few paragraphs. Just read the first sentence in each

Mathew Henry
Though it is most my concern, that I be able to give a good account to God and my own conscience, yet, perhaps, it will be expected that I give the world also some account of this bold undertaking; which I shall endeavour to do with all plainness, and as one who believes, that if men must be reckoned with in the great day, for every vain and idle word they speak, much more for every vain and idle line they write. And it may be of use, in the first place, to lay down those great and sacred principles which I go upon, and am governed by, in this endeavour to explain and improve these portions of holy writ; which endeavour I humbly offer to the service of those (and to those only I expect it will be acceptable) who agree with me in these six principles:—

I. That religion is the one thing useful; and to know, and love, and fear God our Maker, and in all the instances both of devout affection, and of good conversation, to keep his commandments, (Eccles. xii. 13) is, without doubt, the whole of man; it is all in all to him. This the wisest of men, after a close and copious argument in his Ecclesiastes, lays down as the conclusion of his whole matter (the Quod erat demonstrandum of his whole discourse); and therefore I may be allowed to lay it down as a postulatum, and the foundation of this whole matter. It is necessary to mankind in general, that there should be religion in the world, absolutely necessary for the preservation of the honour of the human nature, and no less so for the preservation of the order of human societies. It is necessary to each of us in particular, that we be religious; we cannot otherwise answer the end of our creation, obtain the favour of our Creator, make ourselves easy now, or happy forever. A man that is endued with the powers of reason, by which he is capable of knowing, serving, glorifying, and enjoying his Maker, and yet lives without God in the world, is certainly the most despicable and the most miserable animal under the sun.

II. That divine revelation is necessary to true religion, to the being and support of it. That faith without which it is impossible to please God, cannot come to any perfection by seeing the works of God, but it must come by hearing the word of God, Rom. x. 17. The rational soul, since it received that fatal shock by the fall, cannot have or maintain that just regard to the great author of its being, that observance of him, and expectation from him, which are both its duty and felicity, without some supernatural discovery made by himself of himself, and of his mind and will. Natural light, no doubt, is of excellent use, as far as it goes; but it is necessary that there be a divine revelation, to rectify its mistakes, and make up its deficiencies, to help us out where the light of nature leaves us quite at a loss, especially in the way and method of man's recovery from his lapsed state, and his restoration to his Maker's favour; which he cannot but be conscious to himself of the loss of, finding, by sad experience, his own present state to be sinful and miserable. Our own reason shows us the wound, but nothing short of a divine revelation can discover to us a remedy to be confided in. The case and character of those nations of the earth which had no other guide in their devotions than that of natural light, with some remains of the divine institution of sacrifices received by tradition from their fathers, plainly show how necessary divine revelation is to the subsistence of religion; for those that had not the word of God, soon lost God himself, became vain in their imaginations concerning him, and prodigiously vile and absurd in their worships and divinations. It is true, the Jews, who had the benefit of divine revelation, lapsed sometimes into idolatry, and admitted very gross corruptions; yet, with the help of the law and the prophets, they recovered and reformed: whereas the best and most admired philosophy of the heathen could never do any thing toward the cure of the vulgar idolatry, or so much as offered to remove any of those barbarous and ridiculous rites of their religion, which were the scandal and reproach of the human nature. Let men therefore pretend what they will, deists are, or will be, atheists; and those that, under colour of admiring the oracles of reason, set aside as useless the oracles of God, undermine the foundations of all religion, and do what they can to cut off all communication between man and his Maker, and to set that noble creature on a level with the beasts that perish.

III. That divine revelation is not now to be found nor expected any where but in the scriptures of the Old and New Testament; and there it is. It is true, there were religion and divine revelation before there was any written word; but to argue from thence, that the scriptures are not now necessary, it as absurd as it would be to argue that the world might do well enough without the sun, because in the creation the world had light three days before the sun was made. Divine revelations, when first given, were confirmed by visions, miracles, and prophecy; but they were to be

Albert Barns

The object has been to express, in as few words as possible, the real meaning of the Gospels; the results of their critical study, rather than the process by which these results were reached. This work is designed to occupy a place, which is supposed to be unappropriated, in attempts to explain the New Testament. It was my wish to present to Sunday school teachers a plain and simple explanation of the more common difficulties of the book which it is their province to teach. This wish has given character to the work. If it should occur to any one that more minute explanations of words, phrases, and customs, have been attempted than might seem to them desirable, it will be recollected that many Sunday school teachers have little access to means of information, and that no small part of their success is dependent on the minuteness and correctness of the explanation which is given to children.

This work is designed also to be a Harmony of the Gospels. Particular attention has been bestowed, especially in the Notes on Matthew, to bring the different narratives of the evangelists together, and to show that, in their narration of the same events, there is no real contradiction. It will be recollected, that the sacred narrative of an event is what it is reported to be by all the evangelists. It will also be recollected, that the most plausible objections to the New Testament have been drawn from the apparent contradictions in the Gospels. The importance of meeting these difficulties, in the education of the young, and of showing that these objections are not well founded, will be apparent to all.

Particular attention has been paid to the references to parallel passages of Scripture. In all instances, in these Notes, they are an essential part of the explanation of the text. The authority of the Bible has been deemed the only authority that was necessary in such cases; and it is hoped that no one will condemn any explanation offered, without a candid examination of the real meaning of the passages referred to.

The main design of these Notes will be accomplished, if they furnish a just explanation of the text. Practical remarks could not have been more full without materially increasing the size of the book, and, as was supposed, without essentially limiting its circulation and its usefulness. All that has been attempted, therefore, in this part of the work, has been to furnish leading thoughts, or heads of practical remark, to be enlarged on at the discretion of the teacher.



Bait thread.
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Why not answer the question yourself? You obviously have a predisposed position.
 

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Peacemakers?

But didn't Jesus say, "I have not come to bring peace but a sword" a couple of chapters later in Matthew?

Isn't Jesus one of the most blessed people?

Of course though...

Jesus was speaking aramaic to a culture that in many ways is vastly different than ours. Especially with the use of idioms of speech and metaphors that they understood and that we do not these two thousand years later. It is translated straight....but so could "I have a frog in my throat" and two thousand years from now people can imagine and tell all kinds of wild tales about what that meant.

Soooo

Jesus was talking about those that bring peace between men and God. That was who the real peacemaker is/are/was. And in that Jesus is the most blessed. Because of sin there is emnity between God and man...a hostile relationship. (of course God wins and man loses) but now with Jesus providing a manner that we now can have peace with God as a perfect intermediary we have lost the animosity and can have a great relationship of friendship with God.

And Jesus is still the most blessed. He is the ultimate peacemaker.

Man will always be at enmity with each other...we can't get two posters on this forum to agree about anything...and as such there will never be peace. There hasn't been peace between all of the pseudo-theologians for millennium...
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Peacemakers?

But didn't Jesus say, "I have not come to bring peace but a sword" a couple of chapters later in Matthew?

Isn't Jesus one of the most blessed people?

Of course though...

Jesus was speaking aramaic to a culture that in many ways is vastly different than ours. Especially with the use of idioms of speech and metaphors that they understood and that we do not these two thousand years later. It is translated straight....but so could "I have a frog in my throat" and two thousand years from now people can imagine and tell all kinds of wild tales about what that meant.

Soooo

Jesus was talking about those that bring peace between men and God. That was who the real peacemaker is/are/was. And in that Jesus is the most blessed. Because of sin there is emnity between God and man...a hostile relationship. (of course God wins and man loses) but now with Jesus providing a manner that we now can have peace with God as a perfect intermediary we have lost the animosity and can have a great relationship of friendship with God.

And Jesus is still the most blessed. He is the ultimate peacemaker.

Man will always be at enmity with each other...we can't get two posters on this forum to agree about anything...and as such there will never be peace. There hasn't been peace between all of the pseudo-theologians for millennium...
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how and why would there be any tomorrow?

Here is wisdom stated that the world and many Christians fail to recognize; that 'the peace' which is spoken of is peace with God.
There is no promise whatsoever that there will ever be peace with the world.

The world is by nature a place of conflict, unending tension and eternal change.
There is nothing wrong with that.
God made it that way for a reason.
It is perfect in its tension and change.


The imperfection and sin that has entered into the world is that which tries to remake it and redefine it;
-to make eternal something that is not,
-to be discontent with temporal finite limits,
-to attempt to exceed the spiritual boundaries set by God,
-to assume the pride of life and claim the very throne of the Almighty.

This is the sin of Lucifer and it continues to this day in the heart of man.

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As to the constant rendering of opinion on these pages, we see that it is a forum for opinion only.
This is not a place of learning. There is little acceptance of differing posts as you observe.
The bulk of text that flies through this niche of cyber space is inconsiderate of a search for truth.

In point of fact, the educational infrastructure which had been setup in Christendom over the course of centuries has been eroded over the past sixty years.
As of this writing, there is little if any detailed formal Christian education at all.
That is why there is such a divergence of opinion. There is no basis in fact or precedent for much of the opinion expressed anywhere, not just here.
As an example, can you remember that last time that you witnessed a lecture on HOW TO STUDY?

There used to be a technique and a method for study, but it is not even being taught in secular schools any more.
Why? People in general have become lazy and just want a regurgitated form of information.
Truth, like liberty requires effort and sacrifice to be apprehended in reality.

That is why we have less and less of it in America today.
 

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Please don't attempt to imply that I don't know what I speaking of by quoting another verse out of context of what I said and posted John 14:27
Now you see why people post such things. You do have a
predisposed position.
You can't be a peacemaker without knowing the peace of Christ. Take note of this also, that all of the outward signs of a believer can be counterfeited, thats why I rely on "the sheep know the shepherds voice".


Why do you sound so angry? I asked the question about the priests in the movie in order to understand where you are coming from. I believe you started out our conversation with an antagonizing statement about me seeing the issue with worldly eye. If you cannot talk about this issue in a civil manner, go find another topic.

If your interested in seeing more just look at the preferences in both Mathew Henry and Albert Barns it doesn't take a scientist to see a vast difference in character, in reading the first few paragraphs. Just read the first sentence in each

I may do some more research into Mathew Henry commentary, but I am more interested in what people have to say about this topic.

Two points:

Peace is not limited to Christians - Gandhi is proof of this
Christians do not mediate peace between God and man - Christ is our only mediator.

Disagreement between us should spur us on to a good discussion, not anger. I am not sure what you are expecting from me - it seems like you want to bestow truth on me and when I do not give you the reaction you are expecting I get statements from you that question my faith and intention.
 

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Who are the peacemakers that Christ tells us will be blessed? It seems that Christians are concerned with fighting against the world and looking out for wars and rumors of wars, and distrusting all attempts toward peace - so, who are the peacemakers?

Mat 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Peacemakers are believers who promote peace when possible and are blessed or happy because we will be recognized as 'sons of God.' The reason I say 'when possible' can be seen in the quote below.

Rom 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
 

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Peacemakers are believers who promote peace when possible and are blessed or happy because we will be recognized as 'sons of God.' The reason I say 'when possible' can be seen in the quote below.

I agree - I think we are supposed to live in peace when possible - what does living in peace look like?
 

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Please don't attempt to imply that I don't know what I speaking of by quoting another verse out of context of what I said and posted John 14:27
Now you see why people post such things. You do have a
predisposed position.
You can't be a peacemaker without knowing the peace of Christ. Take note of this also, that all of the outward signs of a believer can be counterfeited, thats why I rely on "the sheep know the shepherds voice".


Why do you sound so angry? I asked the question about the priests in the movie in order to understand where you are coming from. I believe you started out our conversation with an antagonizing statement about me seeing the issue with worldly eye. If you cannot talk about this issue in a civil manner, go find another topic.

If your interested in seeing more just look at the preferences in both Mathew Henry and Albert Barns it doesn't take a scientist to see a vast difference in character, in reading the first few paragraphs. Just read the first sentence in each

I may do some more research into Mathew Henry commentary, but I am more interested in what people have to say about this topic.

Two points:

Peace is not limited to Christians - Gandhi is proof of this
Christians do not mediate peace between God and man - Christ is our only mediator.

Disagreement between us should spur us on to a good discussion, not anger. I am not sure what you are expecting from me - it seems like you want to bestow truth on me and when I do not give you the reaction you are expecting I get statements from you that question my faith and intention.

You go ahead a measure all your understanding in the light of your profession. I'll continue to speak about spiritual things.
Everyone of your thread starters is based on your own reason and deduction, your a counselor that is evident in your ability to reason. You come to this forum presuming to treat everyone as a patent on your couch. I gave you my opinion you have yours. You go on now and preach how Gandhi is proof of this peace I spoke of, you can't, but you can in the peace your looking for. I'm not here to listen to a psychic evaluation thank you.

You have another patent I'll leave you so you can tend to him.
I agree - I think we are supposed to live in peace when possible - what does living in peace look like?