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Wrangler

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Nonsense.

Not only did I give you three Scriptural example - here's another one that I showed you back in post #1182:
In Acts 1, we read that the Aposles and over 100 others gather to elect a successor for Judas. In verse 20, Peter quotes the Psalms when he says:
Acts 1:20
"Let another take his office."
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Which references Psalms. Psalm 109:8 New Living Translation 8 Let his years be few; let someone else take his position.

What is nonsense is you reading things into the text that is not there.
 
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so the apostles themselves are the successors of f Christ good
Jn 20:21-22


The Apostle and High Priest Is Christ Jesus.

Heb 3:
1] Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
 
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Which references Psalms. Psalm 109:8 New Living Translation 8 Let his years be few; let someone else take his position.

What is nonsense is you reading things into the text that is not there.
Yes - but that's NOT what it says in Acts 1:20.
The Greek word used there is "office".

An "office" is successive.
 

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LOL.
The Church is Christ Jesus' Church.
He is in Charge. He is the High Priest.
(NOT a Bishop, and NOT a Pope.)
And Jesus didn't leave HIS Church without earthly representation - in utter chaos.

MEN did that in the 16th century.
 

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Another unrealistic and ridiculous comparison.

We live in an age of mass and social media, sophisticated weaponry - not to mention the 100% probability of a RIOT occurring if the Pope was to simply "nonchalantlt cruise around" the streets as YOU so foolishly suggest.

For your information - the current Pope WANTED to walk over the Mexico border into California when he visited - but that idea was shot down by the U.S. government because it would have been a logistical and security nightmare.

In case you forgot - this isn't the First century
This has nothing to do with security or culture. Whether it's at the Mexican border or on the streets of Rome, when you tell people this is the authorized and approved way you will approach the Pope you've immediately removed it from any comparison to an interpersonal relationship. Peter would never have allowed a rule to be made on how you must approach him. He would have refused the exaltation.
 
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Ferris Bueller

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yes and more
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royalpriesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
But for Christ to be high priest there MUST be low of the same order
Therefore not the priesthood of the faithful or royal priesthood but of the ministerial order of Melchizedek!!!
Nobody needs the Catholic church and it's earthly priesthood to be reconciled to God. That way of relating to God was laid aside by Christ himself when he brought all people close to God solely through the redemptive work of his own priestly work and sacrifice on the altar in heaven.
 

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Nobody needs the Catholic church and it's earthly priesthood to be reconciled to God. That way of relating to God was laid aside by Christ himself when he brought all people close to God solely through the redemptive work of his own priestly work and sacrifice on the altar in heaven.

Thus revealing the power play of this corrupt institution.

The hubris of them to take on the role of Christ!
 
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Wrangler

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Yes - but that's NOT what it says in Acts 1:20.
The Greek word used there is "office".

An "office" is successive.

Desperate rationalization to make any verse support your doctrine. Acts 1:20 says ' In this way, one of David’s psalms was fulfilled.' Past tense. Not future tense.
 

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Christ is the head of the church!
Peter is appointed by Christ as the head of the church on earth!
Supreme pastor and teacher of the faithful!
The body of Christ does not have two heads. Christ is the Head of his body and the rest of us are just parts of his body with our varying gifts and functions.....

...Christ Himself, who is the head. From Him the whole body, fitted and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love through the work of each individual part. Ephesians 4:15-16
 
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Ferris Bueller

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2 Cor. 5:18-20. isn't about evangelism - it's about the ministry of Reconciliation.

In other words - it's about the forgiveness of sins, per John 290:21-23, when Jesus breathed on the Apostles and gave them the power to FORGIVE or RETAIN sins in His name.
It is about evangelism—relaying the message of reconciliation......

11Therefore, since we know what it means to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is clear to God, and I hope it is clear to your conscience as well. 12We are not commending ourselves to you again. Instead, we are giving you an occasion to be proud of us, so that you can answer those who take pride in appearances rather than in the heart.13If we are out of our mind, it is for God; if we are of sound mind, it is for you. 14For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that One died for all, therefore all died. 15And He died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died for them and was raised again.16So from now on we regard no one according to the flesh. Although we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.a The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!18All this is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s trespasses against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.20Therefore we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making His appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:11-20
It's very, very clear that he is talking about sharing the message of reconciliation and trying to persuade men as though God were making that appeal himself through them. This is evangelism 101.
 
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Wrangler

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This really does sum up the Catholic church.

And of course, in their doublespeak, they deny it.

3 But it is important that you understand this about headship: the Anointed One is the head of <THE CATHOLIC CHURCH>, the <THE CATHOLIC CHURCH> is the head of every man, the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of the Anointed.
1 Corinthians 11:3 (Catholicized Version)
 
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Peter administering the king in Christ’s place

It is impossible to have a high priest without low priests

The Bible says that through Christ, we are all priests.

9 But you are a chosen people, set aside to be a royal order of priests, a holy nation, God’s own; so that you may proclaim the wondrous acts of the One who called you out of inky darkness into shimmering light.
1 Peter 2:9 (Voice)
 

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You are te picture of self-righteousness.
Now I know what it must have been like to endure the hypocrisy of the Pharisees . . .
You are the one with the rigid, legalistic 'outside of the cup' religious beliefs and practices and showing no Christ-like 'inside of the cup' character and I'm the Pharisee?
 

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And of course, in their doublespeak, they deny it.

3 But it is important that you understand this about headship: the Anointed One is the head of <THE CATHOLIC CHURCH>, the <THE CATHOLIC CHURCH> is the head of every man, the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of the Anointed.
1 Corinthians 11:3 (Catholicized Version)
Your version is stupid and insulting.

The Holy Catholic Church teaches, through Scripture and Tradition, that the husband is the head of his family and has God-given authority over his wife and children. This gift of authority does not give a husband any greater dignity than his wife. Both are equal members of the marital covenant, as is reflected by God creating woman from the side of man (as opposed to his head or feet). Instead, this order of authority reflects the divine order between God, Christ and man. God blessed the marital covenant with this order to maintain peace and harmony in the family, the “domestic church.” Just as Christ is the Head of the Catholic Church (the family of God), so the father is the head of his domestic church (his family).