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No, actually receiving the Holy Spirit is when you are born again. Baptism can actually be done after you receive the Spirit, not TO receive the Holy Spirit, because baptism is in answer to a good conscience, and your conscience is clear only after you stop sinning, which you can't do without the Spirit given to us when we cry out to Jesus.

The end must be freedom from sin.

baptism is either the new birth or it’s meaningless

A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
 

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Enjoy that Harem!
While you can.....God will NOT be Mocked...if you are a child of His you can expect to be Chastised ....you’ll soon abandon it.....
If you are NOT a child of God , you can REALLy enjoy that Harem! You can look back on it with fondness while you roast in Hell......

I thought I was saved?
 

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Nothing happened to the Gospel....you just never realized what it IS......and just as important....what it ISN'T ....one can’t just reel off a bunch of verses that sound good and call it the “ Gospel “ .....
The Gospel That Saves, If you have the Faith to believe it is very specific.... it’s 1Cor15:1-4..... This is what God will judge you by....Paul said so....I hope you will be prepared when God asks you if you Rested in that Gospel ....or added to it.....your answer could be the difference between Heaven and Hell....

do the real gospel is not the gospel?
 

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The verses you chose to quote?




Matt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Luke 7:47
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much:



The verses you are quoting ? You are preaching to the choir...
I don’t get your point.....sorry....[/QUOTE]

I thought it was faith alone?
 

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One of the primary reasons that a man turns to Christ, if he really does so because of recognizing that he is a sinner in need of mercy, is that he turns to Christ so that Christ might take away his sins and help him to do better in the future. So, I will agree with you that we can only have the victory through Christ; but I will disagree with you and say that coming to Christ means turning away from sin. The very reason any man genuinely turns to Christ is because he recognizes his need as a sinner for the power to gain freedom (John 8:31-36) and victory (1 Corinthians 15:57) over sin.

So, repentance is an integral part of the process.
Funny thing, JBF, is that I don't see anything here I would disagree with. Strange how fragile and inadequate our communication with one another can be. By the way, those last words of mine were not my own, but from a book called "Steps To Christ." I cheated. :D
Read my testimony in your in box. You will KNOW you've been born again, when your nature changes.
Do you believe, Dear Lady, that everyone's experience of regeneration is basically the same?
No, actually receiving the Holy Spirit is when you are born again. Baptism can actually be done after you receive the Spirit, not TO receive the Holy Spirit, because baptism is in answer to a good conscience, and your conscience is clear only after you stop sinning, which you can't do without the Spirit given to us when we cry out to Jesus.
I think conversion is an ongoing process. Of course, I don't just assume this from my wandering thoughts. I kinda believe that Matthew 6:25-34 (and especially v. 34) pertains to spiritual things as well as temporal. Also, there's 1 Corinthians 15:31 which hints at this, as well. And Christ told Peter (I believe in John 13) that he had to be converted later on. Was he lost while he walked with Jesus? Weren't the disciples told that their names were written in Heaven?

As many times as I've heard about how the baptism of the Holy Spirit works, I still don't understand it very well, and I keep coming back to John 3:8. I think that Exodus paints a fairly plain picture of of it, but I haven't studied it out.
The end must be freedom from sin.
Absolutely--No doubt.
 
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You’re on a Roll, Behold.....keep up the good work.....
Yes, by all means, let's us Christians see just how insulting we can be. :rolleyes:
I love to make “ friends”......I’ve got way more than you realize.....they all have one thing in common....they don’t “Pervert” Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing.....they sing” Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”——and they actually MEAN it....THOSE are “ my” types of Friends.....I couldn’t care less about the “ friendship” of those that cause poorly taught people to “ Fall From Grace” and risk an eternity in Hell ...
When it comes to Biblically Ignorant people, I think like FDR did in regard to his critics....” I welcome their hatred!”......
I never join any forums to make friends.....I am a “ Free Man in Christ”..... my “ Abundant” life is full of Assurance in regard to my Salvation and I live a life of immense joy.... I want people to join me.....
You will not believe this but it is true....my biggest problem in “ the real world” is that everybody I meet wants to hang around with me and be my best friend......
Maybe that is because Jesus and I have at least two things in common..... I am a friend to Sinners and I am really disliked by Religious people.....I can live with that. Joyously, as a matter of fact....
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:20)
I don't think this is merely hyperbole. :)
 
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it would be great if "Blood Blot 1953" weren't a troll...
Oh, for a miracle...
I really do sing that song and mean it...

Knowing that the blood of Jesus doesn't only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...but it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses me from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Your blood of Jesus doesn't sanctify...mine does.

I will go with my version of the blood of Jesus over yours, any day of the week...

Because your blood of Jesus is too weak to make a person holy...

Your version of the gospel has sinners in heaven.

If sinners are in heaven, then so is sin.

You probably don't realize this, but sin is the cause of death, sorrow, crying, and pain.

Therefore your version of the gospel is unbiblical (see Revelation 21:4).
I hate to be unduly flattering here but you've really outdone yourself here, JBF.
The god of the (justification-only) half-gospel is infinitely too small. I want all of the good news!
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Jesus revealed, when asked by His Disciples , what “ the Will Of The Father” was.....it was.... “ Believe in the One that He sent” .....it’s so simple people don’t believe it....it’s “ foolishness to those that Perish”
So, what do we do with this?

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification (1 Thessalonians 4:3)
 
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Enjoy that Harem!
While you can.....God will NOT be Mocked...if you are a child of His you can expect to be Chastised ....you’ll soon abandon it.....
If you are NOT a child of God , you can REALLy enjoy that Harem! You can look back on it with fondness while you roast in Hell......
Disgusting
 

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I love to make “ friends”......I’ve got way more than you realize.....they all have one thing in common....they don’t “Pervert” Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing.....they sing” Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”——and they actually MEAN it....THOSE are “ my” types of Friends.....I couldn’t care less about the “ friendship” of those that cause poorly taught people to “ Fall From Grace” and risk an eternity in Hell ...
When it comes to Biblically Ignorant people, I think like FDR did in regard to his critics....” I welcome their hatred!”......
I never join any forums to make friends.....I am a “ Free Man in Christ”..... my “ Abundant” life is full of Assurance in regard to my Salvation and I live a life of immense joy.... I want people to join me.....
You will not believe this but it is true....my biggest problem in “ the real world” is that everybody I meet wants to hang around with me and be my best friend......
Maybe that is because Jesus and I have at least two things in common..... I am a friend to Sinners and I am really disliked by Religious people.....I can live with that. Joyously, as a matter of fact....
Do you see here how you've completely avoided the "Influence People" side of the question and honed in on the cheap "I don't need any new friends" defense and even pointed out the fact that your salvation is joyfully intact, as if someone had suggested otherwise?
 
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Luther was astonished by the Grace of God .......Astonished by it to the point of praising it with ridiculous exaggeration ! Luther, for all Of His faults , truly understood Gods Amazing Grace..... many in here have never experienced the Grace Of God ....God has not bestowed it on them....they won’t be Saved without it ....
I suppose it has to be lived to understand it.....Saved people.....those actually Saved by Grace Know Exactly where Luther was coming from....if you don’t understand it, it’s YOUR problem—— NOT Luther’s .....nor mine.....
Never said Luther didn't understand the Gospel, but the reformation has been a process, and Luther was only near the beginning. Later reformers understood it better.
Lol.....I see now why you call yourself “ Barney Fife”..... he was famous for getting his panties in a knot over Nothing....
Of COURSE it is great to do Good and avoid sin and evil.....
I am talking about in regard to Salvation.....obedience is always great, but a person is Wrong— DAMNED WRONG —- if he thinks Obedience is the Criteria for the entrance to Heaven . Faith in Jesus and His Finished Work Of The Cross ALONE accomplishes that....
Now if one is speaking of the Obedience to the Gospel....that is a horse if a different color....THAT Obedience , which means to rest in it and never add to it——THAT “ Obedience” will Save a fella ! Even the True “ Chief Of Sinners”, yours truly.....don’t ya just “ hate” it ?
Underwear and cursing. Discussions with you are so edifying. :rolleyes:
When you believe "sin is sin" you miss the weightier measures of advanced theology. IOW, what God calls Sin as opposed to sin.
This is a double-edged sword or a paradox, at least. While I believe God correctly determines and recognizes the varying degrees of the sinfulness of a given sin: Even the smallest one ever committed was enough to send Jesus to the cross, no? :)
God ” Found fault” with the old covenant.....we have “ new and better promises” now....I exclude NO parts of the Bible , but I tend to concentrate on something superior when Given a choice....
When, on the road to emmaus, Christ opened to the mourners from the scriptures all things concerning Himself, He had only the Old Testament to work with. All Scripture is...
True...but the Bible does ....let me know when I veer from Biblical Truth ( as if you would recognize it)
How 'bout now?
Now?
Not even the Orthodox Jews agree on the number of positive commands in the Torah. The Mitzvot is full of synonymous and overlapping commands.
It was a response to a personal insult....who drew “ first blood? “ mind your own business....you have-much to attend to without being concerned about me and/ or JBF......
Really? "He started it?!!!" Are you 7?
No. It would be great if we could , but we can’t. We need Grace. I thank God
I got it because I Rest in the Gospel .... how about you?
Boy do I rest. You have no idea. You just have to make everything personal. (?)
What Luther probably didn't understand was that if anyone is saved / born again through the grace of God, they are a new creature in Christ
Erm, I highly doubt that this escaped Luther's Theological prowess. Just sayin' ;)
Uh.....wanna discuss your “ Doctrine” Of “ Lucky Repentance?” You barely mention it anymore....
If it is true , you are going to make God angry by not shouting it from the mountain tops ! Do I sense a reluctance ? Why the silence? Aren’t souls being Lost as you withhold the “ truth”....If I thought that one had to repent of all their sins before they die, lest they go to Hell, I would be in here shouting it out anytime that I did not see it taught.....
Why must you goad people? It is so clearly against Forum rules and yet you persist. Repent of that.
You wouldn't recognize something like that if it bit you in the butt.
Let us be plain-spoken, but never crude. :)
There are many doctrines in scripture that need to be discussed.

The doctrine of "Lucky Repentance" is only one of them.

We will move on from that doctrine if God permits; as it is a basic doctrine (Hebrews 6:1-3).

As long as you continue to bring it up, I will address it; for it will be useful for the "newbies" to understand.
Consider me a newb. I don't get it--at least, as it is expressed as "Lucky."
 

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Could you possibly explain this in a little more detail? I know it wasn't directed at me, but I see both myself and others getting a lot of what I would not compliment as being "loving rebukes." I'm talking strictly between members, of course--not as coming from admins. :)
The requirement of the rules is to not resort to character attacks among other basic requirements.

I'm sure if someone proceeds in a loving manner that edifies their readers, they will not be at risk of running afoul with the moderators, even if technically breaking the rules there is a greater chance of a friendly correction.
 

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I calmly and kindly explained how we were really on the same page about this, we were simply using our words differently.....
Shame you reject that “peace branch” with a lie....” deceivers gonna deceive”..... why did I hope for anything different....
When did this happen? I need to see that. :D
See 1 Corinthians 15:37 as compared to Matthew 13:30.
Doesn't seem quite conclusive. For the record (although I realize it has been presented in quotes), I do not believe in luck whatsoever. :)
 

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The requirement of the rules is to not resort to character attacks among other basic requirements.

I'm sure if someone proceeds in a loving manner that edifies their readers, they will not be at risk of running afoul with the moderators, even if technically breaking the rules there is a greater chance of a friendly correction.
I must confess that I have retaliated with my own version towards @Blood Bought 1953 in response to his attack on me in calling me "justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance".
 
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When did this happen? I need to see that. :D

Doesn't seem quite conclusive. For the record (although I realize it has been presented in quotes), I do not believe in luck whatsoever. :)
What about chance (see Ecclesiastes 9:11, 1 Corinthians 15:37)?
 

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The requirement of the rules is to not resort to character attacks among other basic requirements.

I'm sure if someone proceeds in a loving manner that edifies their readers, they will not be at risk of running afoul with the moderators, even if technically breaking the rules there is a greater chance of a friendly correction.
Thank you for making that so clear. It explains a lot (of good stuff, of course). :)
 

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What about chance (see Ecclesiastes 9:11, 1 Corinthians 15:37)?
Well, I'm also firmly seated in the "God meets people where they are" camp. I hope we all recognize that God never actually condoned slavery (I could explain my theory on that at a later time). I tend to think that God has a perfect will that has been interrupted by sin, and He is therefore ordering (even by restraint sometimes) every single, solitary event (right down to the molecule) toward the best possible outcome. So "chance" might be a word He used to placate us, for the time being. All along the lines of the principle expressed in John 16:12. :)
 

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I guess you could say I'm a firm believer in progressive revelation. But perhaps not according to just any definition thereof.
 

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@justbyfaith, this is the last post that I'm making to you and I'm way too lazy to try and find your post because I'm tired of this thread,.. but why did it sound like every time I was saying that salvation is based upon grace I would be gambling my salvation or I would be wise to listen to your teachings or something? You made it sound like you believed in work based salvation.
 
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You have three fingers pointing back at you.


* yawn*..... that line is getting old....put on your thinking cap and come up with something new....or at least copy something of mine , as is your sad custom.....