Genesis 1:26 Revisited, the Ordinal “FIRST”

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All of our English Bible say US and OUR. You are denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:22-23 (NKJV)
22 He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
GINOLJC, to all.
saying one thing and UNDERSTANDING the thing is two different animals. see, one must STUDY, "WITH", the Holy Ghost... to understand what they read. that's where you're making your mistake.

now the bible said, "Let US make man". so ............ was it more than one who MADE man? remember you said, "All of our English Bible say US and OUR". I agree, but do one UNDERSTAND the "US", and the "OUR". because the same one you claim that is one of the "US",. and the "OUR", said, this, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," so kcnalp, is one of your "US", and "OUR", is lying? God forbid, you know well the Lord Jesus never LIE. and he said "he", a single person MADE man male and female. so knowing this, it means YOUR understanding of our English Bible concering the "US", and "OUR", in Genesis 12:26 is flawed in UNDERSTANDING. which means you're WRONG in understanding.

see that's your dilemma on a three person false doctrine belief. the Lord JESUS himself your SAVIOUR said that you're in ERROR, yes, your Son of God is saying to you kcnalp, that you're in ERROR of your UNDERSTANDING of Genesis 1:26.

understand, when God said, "Let US make man", then any false doctrine is eliminated, WHY 101G, answer, because when one fail to UNDERSTAND WHEN, WHERE, WHAT, WHO, and WHY, God is a H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym, a plurality of himself, then one will KNOW the TRUTH of the Godhead, because the bible tells us right in PLAIN SIGHT. and the very first piece of this UNDERSTANDING is right in the VERY first scripture in the Bible. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

if one would just study this one word, "beginning", here both in Genesis 1:1, and John 1:1, then they will have their answer.

so as said, reading something and UNDERSTANDING something are two different animals.

KNOW YOUR BIBLE, IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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To all my three persons Godhead believers. I thank God for you all.

now, the doctrine of a three persons Godhead, has suffer loss in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') problem, in Philippians 2:7, meaning how can one of the distinct person, who is one Nature, "Spirit", become "empty", abase, neutralize, or G2758 κενόω kenoo, and the rest of the Persons did not, but yet is of the same one nature.

and the three person doctrine have several more doctoral problems as well. but we want to zero in on another MAIN problem, the Genesis 1:26, the US and the OUR problem.

The scriptures in concern, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

this is the devistating scripture that the three person believers has used to champion their beliefs. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness". and it have been used in support of their doctrine of three persons. well this scripture has become their achilles heel of destruction. bible knowledge, it foretold, to come

A DREAM,
Daniel 2:31 "Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible."
Daniel 2:32 "This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,"
Daniel 2:33 "His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay."
Daniel 2:34 "Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces."
Daniel 2:35 "Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth."

the interpretation of that DREAM,
Daniel 2:43 "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."
Daniel 2:44 "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."
Daniel 2:45 "Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure."

as of this DAY, neither will the WISDOM of God, (knowledge and Understanding), will mix with the Wisdom of this World of, (lies and deceits). for LIGHT has come.

now, the FIRST STEP, to answer to the Genesis 1:26 "US and OUR" Problem, is first to affirm one's ignorance of the KNOWLEDGE if the scripture itself. because the very next verse eliminates any "US", or "OUR", that made man.
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

"his", and "he", are single designations. once this acknowledgment is made, then one can proceed with understanding the revelation. but first one must concede that the US and the OUR is not at Genesis 1:26.

next we have given the "beginning" of this understanding, in both Genesis 1:1, and John 1:1. now the revealing scripture to God's plurality, and his singularity. scripture, The "Shema", meaning "hear", well HEAR the WORD of the LORD, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

and the definition of "ONE" here is,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

Definition #2. nuff said, it's up to you to hear...... as the bible said, Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."

now we have heard, are we going to "DO?" we suggest one first learn the true definition of both "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1, and then understand definition #2 in H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd'), above, the "one" ... LORD.

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GINOLJC, to all.
saying one thing and UNDERSTANDING the thing is two different animals. see, one must STUDY, "WITH", the Holy Ghost... to understand what they read. that's where you're making your mistake.
I agree, you don't even understand US and OUR!
now the bible said, "Let US make man". so ............ was it more than one who MADE man? remember you said, "All of our English Bible say US and OUR". I agree, but do one UNDERSTAND the "US", and the "OUR". because the same one you claim that is one of the "US",. and the "OUR", said, this, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," so kcnalp, is one of your "US", and "OUR", is lying? God forbid, you know well the Lord Jesus never LIE. and he said "he", a single person MADE man male and female. so knowing this, it means YOUR understanding of our English Bible concering the "US", and "OUR", in Genesis 12:26 is flawed in UNDERSTANDING. which means you're WRONG in understanding.

see that's your dilemma on a three person false doctrine belief. the Lord JESUS himself your SAVIOUR said that you're in ERROR, yes, your Son of God is saying to you kcnalp, that you're in ERROR of your UNDERSTANDING of Genesis 1:26.

understand, when God said, "Let US make man", then any false doctrine is eliminated, WHY 101G, answer, because when one fail to UNDERSTAND WHEN, WHERE, WHAT, WHO, and WHY, God is a H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym, a plurality of himself, then one will KNOW the TRUTH of the Godhead, because the bible tells us right in PLAIN SIGHT. and the very first piece of this UNDERSTANDING is right in the VERY first scripture in the Bible. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

if one would just study this one word, "beginning", here both in Genesis 1:1, and John 1:1, then they will have their answer.

so as said, reading something and UNDERSTANDING something are two different animals.

KNOW YOUR BIBLE, IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
There's One true God of the Bible, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You deny the Father and the Son! God warned us about YOUR doctrine!

1 John 2:22-23 (NKJV)
22 He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
 

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There's One true God of the Bible, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You deny the Father and the Son! God warned us about YOUR doctrine!
same old record? try something new. the ONLY TRUE and LIVING GOD is JESUS, 1 Timothy 6:16 (smile).... lol, :D YIKES!

as HC Hammer said, "you can't touch this" next.

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same old record? try something new. the ONLY TRUE and LIVING GOD is JESUS, 1 Timothy 6:16 (smile).... lol, :D YIKES!

as HC Hammer said, "you can't touch this" next.

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So you quote Hammer and I quote God of the Bible Whom you reject!
 

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So you quote Hammer and I quote God of the Bible Whom you reject!
again, we can take this as you cannot address the 1 Timothy 6:16 question?.... :D YIKES!

so yes, it's Hammer time.....

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to all my monotheistic sisters and brothers. that's good to believe such, but I declare, God is a plurality of HIMSELF in that ONENESS. and this plurality is clearly defined by the scriptures.
A. in Ordinal, as in First and Last. this is the KEY to understanding God as the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') of himself as the H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth'), or the "beginning".

B. this Key, open the door to all the questions that concerns the so-called three person, meaning why God is a plurality of ONE. yes, One person, one substance.
this is accomplish in being the G243 Allos or the EQUAL "Share" of himself in flesh. BINGO. when man come to that understanding then the whole bible is open unto him, (G). else he sits in darkness.

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to all my monotheistic sisters and brothers. that's good to believe such, but I declare, God is a plurality of HIMSELF in that ONENESS. and this plurality is clearly defined by the scriptures.
A. in Ordinal, as in First and Last. this is the KEY to understanding God as the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') of himself as the H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth'), or the "beginning".

B. this Key, open the door to all the questions that concerns the so-called three person, meaning why God is a plurality of ONE. yes, One person, one substance.
this is accomplish in being the G243 Allos or the EQUAL "Share" of himself in flesh. BINGO. when man come to that understanding then the whole bible is open unto him, (G). else he sits in darkness.

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But you don't even believe in Jesus of the Bible, the Son of God. What is your religion?

John 20:31 (NKJV)
31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
 

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But you don't even believe in Jesus of the Bible
is thats your personal oponion? I hope so and not FACT ....... :eek: YIKES!
but don't worry, rest assured I will not loose any sleep over it........ (smile).
What is your religion?
Just what the Lord God JESUS is, and his apostles, and all of his disples. read, 1 Peter 1:15 & 16, where is it written? Leviticus 11:44, and it, no, HE, was here before the heavens and the EARTH... BINGO.

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is thats your personal oponion? I hope so and not FACT ....... :eek: YIKES!
but don't worry, rest assured I will not loose any sleep over it........ (smile).

Just what the Lord God JESUS is, and his apostles, and all of his disples. read, 1 Peter 1:15 & 16, where is it written? Leviticus 11:44, and it, no, HE, was here before the heavens and the EARTH... BINGO.
You've had hundreds of opportunities to confess that Jesus is the Son of God. Why can't you?
1 John 4:15 (NKJV)
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
 

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You've had hundreds of opportunities to confess that Jesus is the Son of God. Why can't you?
1 John 4:15 (NKJV)
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
understand this kcnalp, this is why you're in the ninth hour. now go and find out what I mean... o_O YIKES!.

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understand this kcnalp, this is why you're in the ninth hour. now go and find out what I mean... o_O YIKES!.

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But I do understand. You keep trying to hide the fact that you reject Jesus the Son of God and God the Father. Your doctrines are antiChrist.
1 John 2:22 (NKJV)
He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
 

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But I do understand. You keep trying to hide the fact that you reject Jesus the Son of God and God the Father. Your doctrines are antiChrist.
1 John 2:22 (NKJV)
He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
If I'm hiding any facts prove me worng. you acuse me of rejecting Jesus the Son of God, and God the Father, and you say my Doctrine? well it was given unto me by the Lord Jesus, who is the Ordinal First and is the Ordinal Last, and you say that this is antiChrist. if what I just said is antichrist, then prove me wrong.

even if I put it in your face, (which I just did), you would not see it anyway.

but in every instance, you try to meet people where they are at, Just like the Jews, they have a zeal for God without KNOWLEDGE, nor understanding.

kcnalp, do you really understand Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:", and what "one" here means as the "Ordinal?", do you, yes or no?

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If I'm hiding any facts prove me worng. you acuse me of rejecting Jesus the Son of God, and God the Father, and you say my Doctrine? well it was given unto me by the Lord Jesus, who is the Ordinal First and is the Ordinal Last, and you say that this is antiChrist. if what I just said is antichrist, then prove me wrong.

even if I put it in your face, (which I just did), you would not see it anyway.

but in every instance, you try to meet people where they are at, Just like the Jews, they have a zeal for God without KNOWLEDGE, nor understanding.

kcnalp, do you really understand Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:", and what "one" here means as the "Ordinal?", do you, yes or no?
And you still can't confess Jesus is the Son of God because your doctrines are antiChrist/Satanic!

1 John 2:22 (NKJV)
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

That's you!
 

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@kcnalp, @Gregory, listen, God the "Elohim" is a plurality in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK. do you understand this?
knowing this, God is a "Elohim" in "TIME" the BEGINNING, Genesis 1:1 the "ORDER", the Ordinal FIRST, "RANK", the LORD, "PLACE", Alone, and by himself, Father, CREATOR, and MAKER".... and this same "Elohim" in "TIME" the BEGINNING, at John 1:1, the "ORDER", the Ordinal Last, "RANK", the Lord, "PLACE", diversified, the ANOTHER, Son, REEDEMER, and SAVIOUR.
this is the basic understanding.

Sorry, "Elohim" should be translated "Gods", but the translators of the bible could not translate it that way because of their religious biases. So Moses knew there were 2 or more persons at the creation and said so.

Calling God Elohim to cleary refer to Gods. And telling us in Genesis 1:26 let US, US, US, make man in
OUR, OUR, OUR, image, after OUR, OUR, OUR, likeness. Can't get around it, no matter if you study your commentaries, dictionaries, and scriptures all day. Sorry, it is just there, you totally ignore it so you can have your theology.

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so your Ignorance = smokescreen now, is this the new normal?....... :eek: YIKES!.

do you even know who the ordinal First and the Ordinal Last is? do you?

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You are the only person I have ever talked with that use these 2 NONBIBLICAL terms, "ordinal First" and the Orinal Last. Never heard it before. Not in bible, so nobody uses these terms. So change your terms into biblical terms and maybe we will understand you better.
 

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You are the only person I have ever talked with that use these 2 NONBIBLICAL terms, "ordinal First" and the Orinal Last. Never heard it before. Not in bible, so nobody uses these terms. So change your terms into biblical terms and maybe we will understand you better.
You can bet he won't preach "Jesus the Son of God" nor "God the Father". Unless ....
 

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ERROR, only one person was present at Genesi 1:1, and Genesis 1:26 & 27, as I asked, who was any two or three that MADE MAN MALE AND FEMALE, because remember he said let US make, no need to understand how many was present, because the US coveres that, we must deal with who, (how many), was it that made man. I don't care if 10,000 was present, my question, is simple, who was the "US", that made man in "the OUR" image, once we answer that then the many present will be answered. see how simple that question is, not how many was present, but how many was it that made man.

now the Lord Jesus said in Matthews 19:4 the "HE" a single person made man, (as well as Genesis 1:27), so that eliminate anyone, no matter how many was present, that statement in Matthews 19:4 eliminates anyone present at Genesis 1:1 or Genesis 1:26. and it also eliminates anyone going through someone else. and this is backed up in Isaiah 44:24 because there it states, he (of Matthews 19:4) was alone, and by HIMSELF. so any two or three persons are eliminated in these scriptures and many more, so that excuse want fly. just because one say it long enough don't make it TRUTH.

Now your last half of the question. well if YOU believe that, and you say that the Holy Spirit told YOU this, and that you're right, then go back to him and ask him how to explain, the US and the OUR in Genesis 1:26 who man man, the plurality, and in Genesis 1:27, the very next scripture that US and OUR went to a, HIS and a HE a single person. please ask him to explain that to us.... will be looking for that answer. and please use scripture.


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I have gone over this many times. There were at least 2 present at the creation, but only Jesus did the actual creation. Like 1 Corinthians 8:6 says, God made everything through Jesus, his Son. Now you can pooh, pooh this scripture if you wish and try to override it with another scripture, but you cannot do this without ripping scripture out of the bible.

Is it possible that one of the persons present at the creation of man and woman, was a woman, who was a proto-type of the female body? Just thinking out loud.
 

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And you still can't confess Jesus is the Son of God because your doctrines are antiChrist/Satanic!

1 John 2:22 (NKJV)
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

That's you!
you're dismissed,
So Moses knew there were 2 or more persons at the creation and said so.
ERROR, and you're dismissed.
Calling God Elohim to cleary refer to Gods. And telling us in Genesis 1:26 let US, US, US, make man in
OUR, OUR, OUR, image, after OUR, OUR, OUR, likeness. Can't get around it, no matter if you study your commentaries, dictionaries, and scriptures all day. Sorry, it is just there, you totally ignore it so you can have your theology.
you missed it Right in your face... dismissed,
You are the only person I have ever talked with that use these 2 NONBIBLICAL terms, "ordinal First" and the Orinal Last. Never heard it before. Not in bible, so nobody uses these terms. So change your terms into biblical terms and maybe we will understand you better.
the FIRST is the Ordinal as well as the Last, and the reason why you haven't heard it before... maybe you just haven\t heard the TRUTH before?
dismissed.
You can bet he won't preach "Jesus the Son of God" nor "God the Father". Unless ....
been doing it, but in your natural state, your ears are uncircumcised to the truth.... hence the GREAT deception of three persons :rolleyes: YIKES, again dismissed.
I have gone over this many times. There were at least 2 present at the creation, but only Jesus did the actual creation. Like 1 Corinthians 8:6 says, God made everything through Jesus, his Son. Now you can pooh, pooh this scripture if you wish and try to override it with another scripture, but you cannot do this without ripping scripture out of the bible.
quit misquoting God in1 Corinthians 8:6. read it before speaking.
and no, no TWO person was present at creation, nor in the OT as God. .... :p neither any "US" nor "OUR", made any man at Genesis 1:26...
so again dismissed.

I love this, ever learning, but not able to come to the truth.... and the scriptures are true, Revelation 22:11

so all dismissed... posts... :D


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