Why Do We Sin?

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Actually, this makes a bit of sense of Jesus having some of Mary's dna. I really don't know.

Jesus Christ IS 100% God and 100% Man. As God He is eternally so, and cannot cease to be God. At His Incarnation (conception) in the womb of Mary, Jesus actually derived His human nature from her, apart from any sin. This is clear from Matthew 1:16, where the Greek is important, "Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ". The words "of whom" (εξ ης), literally is "out of whom", as in "derived", "whom"(ης) is in the singular number, and feminine gender, which 100% excludes Joseph as Jesus' actual father. Luke 1:35 is similar, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and on account of this the Holy One being born of you (εκ σου, "out of you", singular) will be called Son of God".
 

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So there's some debate whether or not Jesus could sin and just chose not to or if He was incapable of sinning. I personally believe that He was capable of sinning and just chose not to for two reasons. One,.. if He couldn't sin then why would Satan even bother with trying to tempt Him in the first place and two,.. if He was incapable of sin then I don't think it would have worked for Him being the perfect sacrifice for our sins.




Anyways, so now that I've covered why I think Jesus didn't sin,.. why do we sin? Could we choose to never sin if we really wanted to or is it because that it's in our blood due to the original sin? If the latter part is true how was Jesus born without it when (even though I already know that the Catholics will disagree with me on this but it's not biblical and Mary could have just easily died on the cross for our sins then) Mary was a sinner herself?
What do I believe and why?

Well I believe Jesus couldn't sin because it is not in his nature. God can do no evil and Satan can do no good. And Satan tempted him because that is the nature of Satan.

We all sin because that is in our nature. And the Holy Spirit is in the nature of God which is why we need the Holy Spirit to not sin.
 
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So there's some debate whether or not Jesus could sin and just chose not to or if He was incapable of sinning. I personally believe that He was capable of sinning and just chose not to for two reasons. One,.. if He couldn't sin then why would Satan even bother with trying to tempt Him in the first place and two,.. if He was incapable of sin then I don't think it would have worked for Him being the perfect sacrifice for our sins.




Anyways, so now that I've covered why I think Jesus didn't sin,.. why do we sin? Could we choose to never sin if we really wanted to or is it because that it's in our blood due to the original sin? If the latter part is true how was Jesus born without it when (even though I already know that the Catholics will disagree with me on this but it's not biblical and Mary could have just easily died on the cross for our sins then) Mary was a sinner herself?
I like your OP....very well thought out. Shows wisdom in your words.:)
 

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KJV Hebrews 4:15-16
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;
As is suggested by some who propose that Christ came in the unfallen nature of Adam.

but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

In all points means precisely that. He was literally tempted just as we are, having all the infirmities and human weaknesses and depleted strength of 4000 years of human degeneracy... But overcame nevertheless and did no sin. By this He proved that the weakest of men can, in faith and trust in, and in union with the divine nature, resist temptation.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

We can approach the throne with confidence, knowing that Jesus has suffered and has overcome... Has been tempted and has overcome... Has been tested and gained victory... And in that confidence be bold in claiming like victory over sin, doubt, and fear, knowing that there is nothing we experience in this life either mentally, physically, or spiritually, that the Son of God hasn't experienced Himself personally. He knows where we are at. Thus He is fully qualified to succor them that are tempted.

KJV Hebrews 2:16-18
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Not the seed of so called sinless Mary, but the seed of fallen Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren,

That is fallen brethren friends...

that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
 

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I think if we look at sin, we might find something common among all sin, and that is selfishness. Our great commandment is love our neighbor and God. And that is an unselfish commandment.
 

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So there's some debate whether or not Jesus could sin and just chose not to or if He was incapable of sinning. I personally believe that He was capable of sinning and just chose not to for two reasons. One,.. if He couldn't sin then why would Satan even bother with trying to tempt Him in the first place and two,.. if He was incapable of sin then I don't think it would have worked for Him being the perfect sacrifice for our sins.




Anyways, so now that I've covered why I think Jesus didn't sin,.. why do we sin? Could we choose to never sin if we really wanted to or is it because that it's in our blood due to the original sin? If the latter part is true how was Jesus born without it when (even though I already know that the Catholics will disagree with me on this but it's not biblical and Mary could have just easily died on the cross for our sins then) Mary was a sinner herself?

Your first paragraph's answers are perfect. I can't correct them. God risked His all to send his Son. Had Jesus failed, it would have been the biggest universal tragedy and God the Father in effect would have locked himself out from ever having reconciled to mankind. And here's the mind blower: His right side partner, the Word, would have been dead forever. That's because He became a man and could die as a man. Upon a mission completed successfully, He arose again and "all power was given to him in heaven and earth" after lying it aside to become as we are. Again, the biggest risk ever.

Now, why do we sin? We don't have to either as by His work and the Spirit sin was overcome at the cross and we become a new person. It's not about just forgiveness, but about power to become as He is and the old man of flesh dies. But herein is the problem. Until you are in your grave, that flesh sometimes gets tricky and and tempted, so we sin. We can't do it without God and the more we submit to and obey Him in faith, the more in like character we become. So to sum it up, the power is already there, pragmatically speaking the flesh gets in the way once in awhile. The net result: even the most holy sin a little. If you see us as sons in embryo inside this body as Jesus was in Mary's, and the new birth happens at resurrection, then John's statement that "whoever is born of God does not sin" makes sense, because the old body of flesh is not the new resurrected life in the Spirit.
 

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You need to be careful in implying that God is so foolish, that He sent Himself as the mediator between Himself and man. You need to consider how dangerous your theology is, when you regard God as being so irrational as to send a being to not sin, who is incapable of sinning, to expose and rectify the sins of a being, who was capable of sinning, namely Adam & Eve.
Christ's self oblation to God was not accepted solely for his obedience, and thus, fulfillment of the Mosaic Law, for perfection also includes the golden rule - loving God with all your heart mind and soul. Perfection is deficient without this disposition. Therefore, Christ's eligibility as the perfect sacrifice was based on his uncompromised love, devotion and obedience to God, something a god-man cannot qualify for, nor God himself, obviously.

You make a mockery of God's judicial system by claiming that he demanded an infallible being, to be infallible, while condemning a fallible being for not being infallible. You ridicule God's wisdom by asserting that He sent Himself, in order to prove His love for Himself.

Your exegesis is entirely imbalanced, you over emphasized your implausible god-man theory, while entirely ignoring, and ultimately undermining, the logistics and rationality behind God's Atonement. You lack a great deal of depth to your understanding, despite your prolific use of etymologies to try and make your point. Have you ever considered applying wisdom to your exegesis?




Exactly and I don't see what was so blasphemous about what I said either. All I said is that being a human being Jesus could have sinned if He had the desire and wanted to but He didn't. I don't think that He would have been completely human if He didn't have the free will to like the rest of us though.




I like your OP....very well thought out. Shows wisdom in your words.:)





Thanks. So what do you think?
 
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Exactly and I don't see what was so blasphemous about what I said either. All I said is that being a human being Jesus could have sinned if He had the desire and wanted to but He didn't. I don't think that He would have been completely human if He didn't have the free will to like the rest of us though.










Thanks. So what do you think?
I think Jesus could sin, or rather his flesh could, because as you said, Satan would be wasting his time tempting Him to sin if it wasn't possible.
 

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What do I believe and why?

Well I believe Jesus couldn't sin because it is not in his nature. God can do no evil and Satan can do no good. And Satan tempted him because that is the nature of Satan.

We all sin because that is in our nature. And the Holy Spirit is in the nature of God which is why we need the Holy Spirit to not sin.
I think so also.

I think that Jesus had a body that was capable of sin, but that Jesus being God would never have sinned. He would not act contrary to His Own nature.

Much love!
 

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The Bible also doesn't say whether or not He was capable of sinning though just that He didn't.

Well though He emptied HImself as it says in Phil. 2 He still was God in human flesh. Mary provided His Body, but Jesus Himself provided His nature when He was conceived.
 

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Then you don't believe that the Only Begotten Son of God came in the likeness of the first man Adam who was created without spots and blemishes, he was sinless until he disobeyed God. God sent his Only Begotten Son of God in the likeness of the first man Adam. Jesus was not born in sin as we are and he remained sinless right on up to his death. Jesus chose to be a person who loved his heavenly father so much that he chose not to disobey God's commands but instead he chose to be obedient


Stop trying to read my mind. You just failed!

Yes Jesus came in the form of Adam! Phil 2:6 makes that clear. But that is the physical form.

Philippians 2:6-10
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6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

These verses are even powerful biblical proof for teh Deity of Jesus. for the word "form" is the same word n vses 6&7 so if he was found like a man- He also was found like god! If He was man (and He was) then He is God also!

Jesus humbled himself, but did not give up His Divine nature when He took on human form!
 
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Also, I forgot to mention that I do agree with @Devin Wintch on the fact that it was probably due to Jesus' divine nature of why He did not wish to sin.
 
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Stop trying to read my mind. You just failed!

Yes Jesus came in the form of Adam! Phil 2:6 makes that clear. But that is the physical form.

Philippians 2:6-10
King James Version

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

These verses are even powerful biblical proof for teh Deity of Jesus. for the word "form" is the same word n vses 6&7 so if he was found like a man- He also was found like god! If He was man (and He was) then He is God also!

Jesus humbled himself, but did not give up His Divine nature when He took on human form!

Jesus came in the likeness of the first man Adam, whether you choose to believe that or not is on you. Those who say Jesus came in the likeness of a God-Man deny Jesus came in the likeness of the first man Adam, you're saying he came more than human.
 
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Jesus was without sin.
Hebrews 4:15
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15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
 
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So there's some debate whether or not Jesus could sin and just chose not to or if He was incapable of sinning. I personally believe that He was capable of sinning and just chose not to for two reasons. One,.. if He couldn't sin then why would Satan even bother with trying to tempt Him in the first place and two,.. if He was incapable of sin then I don't think it would have worked for Him being the perfect sacrifice for our sins.

Anyways, so now that I've covered why I think Jesus didn't sin,.. why do we sin? Could we choose to never sin if we really wanted to or is it because that it's in our blood due to the original sin? If the latter part is true how was Jesus born without it when (even though I already know that the Catholics will disagree with me on this but it's not biblical and Mary could have just easily died on the cross for ou
sins then) Mary was a sinner herself?

1 John 3:5 provides answer.
 
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judging from what you write here and elsewhere, it is clear that you don't really know what you are on about!
But you won't for the life of you even begin to attempt to undermine a thing that I said, neither in willingness, nor ability.
You're pedantic BGTF, lacking a great deal of wisdom, ...and, out of your own mouth (as always), unqualified.
 

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Exactly and I don't see what was so blasphemous about what I said either. All I said is that being a human being Jesus could have sinned if He had the desire and wanted to but He didn't. I don't think that He would have been completely human if He didn't have the free will to like the rest of us though.
Yeah, that guys quite a bit pedantic in his approach. He presumes many things then spends 90% of his time trying to prove it, and that, in a very technical manner, not spiritual.
I don't believe that he grasped the profundity of the point that you were trying to make.
Don't worry, many of us did. It was an excellent point that you brought up, that requires much more thought and consideration than many are willing to give it. To me, God's soteriology is almost entirely summed up on this issue - if Christ is the Saviour, then, on what grounds, ...he was obedient unto death.
 
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Going back to Jesus being tempted, each time Satan tempted Him, Ge answered, “It is written:...”. How well do we know what is written? Because many times Satan comes to us with the twisted truth, we need to know for ourselves the Word of God. In Psalm 119, the psalmist says, “I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you”. It is one thing to know what the Word of God says in general, and it is totally another thing to kn
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Going back to Jesus being tempted, each time Satan tempted Him, Ge answered, “It is written:...”. How well do we know what is written? Because many times Satan comes to us with the twisted truth, we need to know for ourselves the Word of God. In Psalm 119, the psalmist says, “I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you”. It is one thing to know what the Word of God says in general, and it is totally another thing to know it the way you know each word of a love letter—nor just know it, but think about it and how it can help you defend against any of the devil’s schemes.