Who founded your church?

theefaith said:

then something must be do here your jn 8:32 moment
What is?????????

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I have no idea what you just said.

theefaith said:

I don’t either
Must be that head ache I get from betting my head against the fundamentalist wall

your jn 8:32 moment
What is the true church?

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Yes when I bet my head I always lose it. So I quit gambling.

theefaith said:

I don’t either
Must be that head ache I get from betting my head against the fundamentalist wall

your jn 8:32 moment
What is the true church?

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The true church is the family of all those who have faith in Jesus Christ and are born again by the power of the Holy Spirit (John 3:3).

theefaith said:

a study club with fellowship? No!

it’s a covenant
It has rules and requirements
Authority
Read Isa 22 and Matt 16

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I said nothing about a study club.

Renniks said:

Well you will never learn anything by ignoring others interpretations of the same verses. I guess that's fine if you just want to accept what your church says.

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Dear, Dear Renniks,

I have not ignored your interpretations of Scripture. Do you not recall us having disagreements in the past about your interpretations of Scripture? Why do you ignore the Church's interpretations? I know, I know, you flat out reject the interpretations of The Church! Oddly enough it is ok for you to reject the interpretations of The Church but if I flat out reject your interpretations and accept what my church says I am like a robot. Can you not see how dishonest your train of thought is on that? Can you show me in Scripture where it says Scripture is left up to each mans interpretations? OH WAIT...it says opposite of that which means you are preaching and practicing opposite of Scripture.

I will never and can never learn anything from you. You are not breaking ground on Scripture interpretation. Stop kidding yourself. Scripture has been around for 2,000 years and you are not the first person who has deceived themselves into thinking they have found the truth.

You are regurgitating and accepting what your Protestant men have taught you. Yet if I as a Catholic accept what The Church teaches you seem to think that is not a good thing to do. Can you not see your hypocrisy?

You will never learn anything by ignoring others interpretations of the same verses. I guess that's fine if you just want to accept what you teach yourself. Just don't try to teach me.

Renniks said:

The irony is, what you are sarcastically saying here is exactly what the Catholics claim about their sect.

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Dear Dear Renniks,

I was not being sarcastic. You should look up the word sarcasm before you misuse it in a sentence.

I was using your own words against you to show you how much destructive pride you have. You made it clear that when I need to know the truth of Scripture YOU are the one to contact to get YOUR interpretation because YOU have no suppositions and YOU read “the book”. You don't read just a few verses like everyone else does. You read the WHOLE book.

Can you not see how much you have deceived yourself? Do you really think that the men of The Church or any other Christian doesn't read all of Scripture and take it in context? Seriously Renniks? Do you really think that?

Marymog said:

Dear Dear Renniks,

I was not being sarcastic. You should look up the word sarcasm before you misuse it in a sentence.

I was using your own words against you to show you how much destructive pride you have. You made it clear that when I need to know the truth of Scripture YOU are the one to contact to get YOUR interpretation because YOU have no suppositions and YOU read “the book”. You don't read just a few verses like everyone else does. You read the WHOLE book.

Can you not see how much you have deceived yourself? Do you really think that the men of The Church or any other Christian doesn't read all of Scripture and take it in context? Seriously Renniks? Do you really think that?

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I think the men of the church were just men. As prone to error as any man. Which makes my interpretation, which is shared by many learned men in churches also, as likely as theirs. And I've read enough of the really old discussions on theology from like the 1400s to know that the men in the church did not agree on everything back then any more than we do.

Renniks said:

I think the men of the church were just men. As prone to error as any man. Which makes my interpretation, which is shared by many learned men in churches also, as likely as theirs. And I've read enough of the really old discussions on theology from like the 1400s to know that the men in the church did not agree on everything back then any more than we do.

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Thanks Renniks.

Why would you read the theology of christian men who lived 1,400 years after Christ died when you can read the theology of men that walked and talked with the Apostles? I would suggest you start out with the theology of Clement of Rome, Polycarp and Ignatius of Antioch and get back with me on what you think of their theology.

With that said I already know that once you read their theology you will disagree with them and convince yourself that 'your interpretation is as likely as theirs'.

Keeping it real...Mary

theefaith said:

not what the Bible says renniks
Jn 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Angels guide the church of the apostles acts 8

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I'm not renniks...

theefaith said:

I know Mary, but you were responding to him

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I see what you were doing....Thanks.

Marymog said:

Hey Truther,

I took a look at all of Scripture in regard to confession of sins and I ended up with just as many questions as answers. Maybe you can help me out.

Were the Apostles a sinful proxy even though they could bind and loosen sin? How can a sinful proxy bind and loosen sin? What are we to make of John 20:23?

What about confessing our sins to one another? Can we do that since we are all sinful proxies? James 5:16 says we can.

Thanks for your help...Mary

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Good questions.

First, it says confessing your faults, not sins. If I accidentally do something to upset a brother I must tell him it is my fault and apologize, not tell him all my thoughts.

As far as the first question, here is how Peter and the rest remitted sins....


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Instead of a confessional, they simply spoke the name of Jesus Christ during water baptism for sin's remissions.

You really need to take a hard look at that, VS what you now believe.

theefaith said:

thee faith or de fide is the word of God!
Divine and catholic revelation

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Rather, Catholic mass commentary.

The more men talk around the Bible, the farther they stray.

Marymog said:

Help me out here Truther. What was posted by @theefaith is the teaching of The Church which has been around for a long time. So I think it’s pretty solid. Also, it’s not commentary. The teaching is based on Scripture and it is taught to over 1 billion people and has been taught to many more.

Isn’t what you or other Protestants on this forum say/write truly commentary since it is your own personal interpretation of Scripture that only you follow?

Curious Mary

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I am not a protestant, but an originalist, just to clarify.

The RCC protested the original and deviated to enticing words of man's wisdom.

I think there is a difference between dictating doctrine and creeds to everyone than just chatting about the Bible.

Truther said:

I am not a protestant, but an originalist, just to clarify.

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HAHAHA.... me thinks Truther just made that word up...