How would you handle this situation? "Sex Transition"

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Oh right, so IF it happened would you turn your back on them and reject them? Sounds like a good Christian attitude. We may not agree with the choices our non-Christian family make but we need to keep loving them whatever their choices.
Am I required to support my child or grandchild’s decision to join MBLA and embrace their pedophilia?
Do we Christians have an obligation to affirm that evil is good in the name of “love”?

In the OP, the Christian grandparents are being demanded by the children to support the evil decisions of the grandSON. The Grandparents have a right to affirm that right is right and wrong is wrong ... refusing to say “wrong is right” is not hatred. If the parents and grandchild choose to respond to truth in love with lies and hatred, that sin is on their head and not the grandparents.
 

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When writing to timothy paul made something very clear .
Do not be a partaker of other mens sins , keep thyself pure .
We must not partake in their sin by calling them by their identity gender . We must
not be a partaker in the sin that has driven them into total reprobation .
Oh praise be to the Lord.
 

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Folks do as folks do . But the question was , HOW would i HANDLE the situation .
And i wont cave in to a lie that would dishonor GOD as well as harm the child . So , yeah any child , even if it aint my own
that asks me to call them the sex they were not born , Yeah , i aint doing it .
If the Bible says do it, do it.
If it says don’t, don’t.

Oh praise the Lord.
 

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By warning them . Love corrects it warns .
Sorry amigo but I think you're wrong about this.

My family are not Christians (yet) and until they are they don't see things the same way I do. They know my beliefs and I have explained to them about my Christianity and they don't want to know so we mostly avoid talking about it.

Now say, if I 'warned' them about certain other issues that aren't acceptable to me as a Christian they would get their high horse and probably fall out with me so then I would have no influence whatever with them.

Now as non-Christians they have the free choice to live in whatever way they choose and I choose to carry on loving them all even though I don't like their choices. Loving is good. I feel pretty sure in my heart that Jesus wouldn't have rejected any of his family.

There used to be a phrase in common Christian use which said, 'Hate the sin but love the sinner.' Why do so many people find it hard to love the sinner?
 
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There used to be a phrase in common Christian use which said, 'Hate the sin but love the sinner.' Why do so many people find it hard to love the sinner?





You will probably enjoy my "Growing In Christ" program that begins tomorrow. Though acceptance isn't going to be covered until the beginning of next week but I will be talking an awful lot about this then. :)
 

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Think ye that i have come to bring peace upon the earth . I tell you nay . But rather division .
For from now on a mans foes shall be those of his household .
If we simply do not compromise the faith by accepting the evil act , i assure
us all we will be rejected . Unless some do repent of course .
Jesus did not come to bring this popes idea of world peace , false love and deadly unity .
WE must go back into our bibles and learn THAT doctrine well .
For many speak with only a senusal mind that can only relate to a senusal world love .
But we must learn Christ and that doctrine well . SO as we are no longer tossed to and fro
by fleshly men who are sensual but have not the spirit . Learn Christ well . Get learned in those bibles .
 

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So from your reaction I take it that you would reject your own children and grandchildren if they made life decisions you don't agree with. But the thing is unless they are Christians they are yet sinners and how will they know the love of God if their own father and grandfather rejects them?

i agree with your posts here Pat.
A friend of my daughters has a son who has changed to a girl .
My daughter asked her friend how she is handling this thing with her son being a girl ( he’s about 25 and says in his whole life this is the first times he’s been happy )
The answer was, - “At least he/she didn’t commit suicide, which he had threatened to do...while there is breath in him God can still work in his life. “
He now has loads of long fluffy hair , he’s taking female hormones , calling himself Victoria ...and is about 6.3”
Even his grandma call him Victoria.
It’s all very strange , the mum is obviously broken hearted. But like you have said in your posts ...he may be a prodigal son , but he’s still a son...and we haven’t seen the end of the story yet....the family cover him with prayer.
BTW , Sadly All of her three sons are autistic , which “ Victoria “ is one of them. The father left.


I am not one, as you know, who can just throw legalistic Bible verses at it and say- “That's the answer “

It’s all heart breaking. As is this thread .

There by the grace of God , go every one of us. Self righteousness will quickly say ...”I would never ....”
We were just blessed with an extra blessing grace that kept us.
 

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This is not a case that's happening in my family.
I found this on the internet, grand parents asking advice:


A grandson is being supported by his parents to “transition” to a girl. They say that if we don’t call him by his new female name, they’ll cut us out of their lives. We don’t know where this is coming from or what to do. How do we show them love without abandoning our Christian values?

How would you handle this situation?
I would feel offended at first. But then this might be an opportunity to grow and learn more about transgender, in particular this boy who wants to becomes girl.
Most of us don't have personal experience of challenges like this. So we tend to maintain strong views without practical experience.
But I am disappointed by the threatening style of communication. If they continue non negotiable threats like this, I might be inclined to ignore them altogether.
Still, if you agree to call him by a girl's name, things may ease off. Relations may improve. If they do, good. If you continue to walk on egg shells, might be time to move away.
Sorry...this view is ongoing and subject to editing and change
 
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Praise the glorious LORD for His wonderful grace given us in JESUS CHRIST .
The more we do read our bibles , the more our mind will be molded .
We will soon learn there is a difference between how our fleshy mind sees love versus HOW GOD SEES LOVE and IS LOVE .
HIS love desires none to perish . Thus if one is in error it would correct the one in error
Ponder this scenario . IF anyone here saw their child or another child
and that child was headed right out into a busy street , would they sit back and say , hey let him figure it out .
Lets just have patience and love them . OR out of LOVE would they not run to stop the child
from entering into danger . Exactly . ANd how much more when it pertains to EVERLASTING LIFE .
Warn those children and raise them up in the way that they should go . IN the way of our HOLY LORD .
DO not let them believe a lie that in the end will cost them their soul .
GOD made us what we are , do not let satan lead your children or even your brethren into
sin . For the end of sin is death . Save some by fear and others by compassion , but do not just let
them believe a lie .
 

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This is not a case that's happening in my family.
I found this on the internet, grand parents asking advice:


A grandson is being supported by his parents to “transition” to a girl. They say that if we don’t call him by his new female name, they’ll cut us out of their lives. We don’t know where this is coming from or what to do. How do we show them love without abandoning our Christian values?

How would you handle this situation?

Honestly.

As the grand-parent- EXPRESS the love for the child and desire to have Grand-parent grand-child relationship with the grand-child,
(Not grand-son...Not grand-daughter).

Extending a respect to the parents and child's (decision for Gender change identity)...
Without "agreeing"...

As Grand-Parent;
Never will call the child by Any Name. Pronoun he/ or she...him/ or her reference.
Will never buy Clothes/ toys/ jewelry/ books etc. gender specific as gifts.
Will never "bring up" conversation with child, gender issue.
Will never "encourage or participate in gender" specific activities.
Will never "discuss to child" Grandparents disagreement/disapproval.
(And must stick to that while child is a minor).

If parents are not willing to agree with "grandparents" terms...grandparents ...
cut them all off.

Rom 1:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 
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Sorry amigo but I think you're wrong about this.

My family are not Christians (yet) and until they are they don't see things the same way I do. They know my beliefs and I have explained to them about my Christianity and they don't want to know so we mostly avoid talking about it.

Now say, if I 'warned' them about certain other issues that aren't acceptable to me as a Christian they would get their high horse and probably fall out with me so then I would have no influence whatever with them.

Now as non-Christians they have the free choice to live in whatever way they choose and I choose to carry on loving them all even though I don't like their choices. Loving is good. I feel pretty sure in my heart that Jesus wouldn't have rejected any of his family.

There used to be a phrase in common Christian use which said, 'Hate the sin but love the sinner.' Why do so many people find it hard to love the sinner?

Although you think we had a difference in opinion yesterday... I think we absolutely agree on this issue... I am perhaps a bit more set in my ways regarding ultimatums...but when push comes to shove... I KNOW how to LOVE the broken and hurting.
Sadly... many Christians are more comfortable with waving fingers of judgement.
 

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Although you think we had a difference in opinion yesterday... I think we absolutely agree on this issue... I am perhaps a bit more set in my ways regarding ultimatums...but when push comes to shove... I KNOW how to LOVE the broken and hurting.
Sadly... many Christians are more comfortable with waving fingers of judgement.
Yes I agree with what you say Addy, we can never know how a person feels inside their head and like Helen's friend said, better that they transgender than commit suicide because they are so unhappy. I don't understand it and to me it's sad that so many these days want to do it.
 
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Yes I agree with what you say Addy, we can never know how a person feels inside their head and like Helen's friend said, better that they transgender than commit suicide because they are so unhappy. I don't understand it and to me it's sad that so many these days want to do it.

I think what I have learned in all of this experience with my landlord is that my position on the issue of all matters regarding the LGTBQ agenda has not changed one bit... I am still as much against any behaviour that sits outside the confines of the bible.
I still believe there is only male and female... I still believe God made man for woman... and that anyone who is NOT married is called to refrain from sexual activities. I am a single woman... I am called to be chaste and celibate... I believe this is true and I live by this. I will be accountable for my own actions... I do not think God will ask me if I corrected... shamed or shunned those who live in sexual sins. That is not my job.

What has changed is that I am better able to face this issue head on... NO sinner is exempt from being loved and respected. Often times we think we need to shame and shun... so many Christians have this NEED to wash the blood from their hands.. as though loudly proclaiming... that person is a SINNER is going to change anything... but it seems to help the conscience of many.
 
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I think what I have learned in all of this experience with my landlord is that my position on the issue of all matters regarding the LGTBQ agenda has not changed one bit... I am still as much against any behaviour that sits outside the confines of the bible.

I'm with you one hundred percent Addy.

I still believe there is only male and female... I still believe God made man for woman... and that anyone who is NOT married is called to refrain from sexual activities. I am a single woman... I am called to be chaste and celibate... I believe this is true and I live by this. I will be accountable for my own actions... I do not think God will ask me if I corrected... shamed or shunned those who live in sexual sins. That is not my job.

Again I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've said.

What has changed is that I am better able to face this issue head on... NO sinner is exempt from being loved and respected. Often times we think we need to shame and shun... so many Christians have this NEED to wash the blood from their hands.. as though loudly proclaiming... that person is a SINNER is going to change anything... but it seems to help the conscience of many.

I don't know if tolerance is the right word but I have to say have become more tolerant over the years. Probably down to greater maturity both in age and as a Christian. There used to be a saying, 'If we catch them God will clean them' because like you said it's not our job.
 
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I don't know if tolerance is the right word but I have to say have become more tolerant over the years. Probably down to greater maturity both in age and as a Christian. There used to be a saying, 'If we catch them God will clean them' because like you said it's not our job.
I soooooooo remember that saying... and I guess I am one of those who believe that. I have spent much time working with street people... they are not pretty or clean in the least... but oh what an honour to approach them and have them open up to you and begin to trust you. I come from a family that is all about do's and don'ts... and pointing fingers of judgement... I am the black sheep of my Christian family. LOL
 
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I will add...

Such a situation...is about love.
And WHEN an agreement to disagree can not be concluded, should a parting of ways result...it is not about Lack of love.

Homosexuality, gender id changing, cross dressing is not my thing to participate in or condone.
I have friends that fall into such catagories, we agree on boundaries, when they visit our home...and groups at there homes...I have gone, too much, now I do not go.