A Question About The Death and Resurrection of Christ
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ByGraceThroughFaith
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amigo de christo
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Because it was not possible for death to hold him . He just simply paid the price .
Peter and paul both explain something quite well .
HE took OUR sins in his flesh , that we BEING made dead to sin , SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS .
GOD desired a people who would worship HIM in SPIRIT and in TRUTH . AND JESUS IS THE WAY .
LET the LORD be praised . Let an all out praise fest be sounded unto the LORD .
Being then made free from sin , ye became servants to RIGHTEOUSNESS .
quietthinker
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Hi AR, you bring up a very good point, again! If Christ paid the penalty for our sins, which would obviously be eternal death, then how come he was raised again 3 days later? Precisely, .... because his death on the cross was NOT a payment for sins, as far as any judicial proceedings are concerned between the culprit and the victim - punishment fitting the crime. Jesus died to end the Old Covenant, that which held us in bondage and condemnation - where there is Law, there is the notion of sin and penalty. As much as the blood of bulls and goats purged the Israelites of their sins for the time being (Yom Kippur), Christ was the final oblation to God. Not as one paying a penalty for a crime that they committed according to a law, but as a death that symbolizes the abolishment of a former Covenant. Just as a marriage contract is nullified after the death of one of the spouses, or as a will that gets enacted upon the death of the testator.
Jesus did not suffer the penalty of man, he would have to reject God in order to be able suffer such a consequence - the torment in hell is regret and frustration, not corporeal infliction. Christ's death purged our sins, as blood eradicates the old by death, and allows to bring in the new. Thus, he was raised as a promise that God will do the same for us - we live by faith that our sins have been cleansed by his death, and Christ will bring us into his Kingdom as he had ascended into heaven.
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So, the god-man can't remain dead because, obviously, he's god. But, he can die as the god-man because, obviously, he isn't god.
...since when did they allow 10 year old's on the forum?
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No, I cannot. But Jesus can as He lives his life in me and through me (Galatians 2:20).
As I consistently walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be (practically) fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4). Not according to the letter, but according to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).
I do not become sinless in this (for the element of sin continues to dwell within me); but I can become perfect (for example, Philippians 3:15 (kjv)) in that the flesh is crucified so that the element of sin no longer has any say over my behaviour (Romans 6:14). Sin is rendered dead within me as I reckon it to be dead (Romans 6:11).
The righteousness of the Lord is not only positionally imputed to us; it is also practically imparted (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
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BARNEY BRIGHT
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I don't believe that it is God who is the word, but instead it is his Only-begotten Son that is the word. When it says in the scriptures that the word became flesh it means the spiritual being who is the Only Begotten Son of God who lived in heaven with God became a perfect sinless human without spot or blemish. Since God is the Only-Begotten Son Father Jesus didn't inherit sin when he was born. The point is Jesus came to the world of mankind as a perfect sinless human who's origin is devine since God is Jesus Father. When Jesus died it's that perfect sinless human who was without spot and blemish that was sacrificed in death, but three days later when the Only Begotten Son of God was resurrected he was resurrected a spiritual being who had been given immortality and who had inherited incorruption the Only Begotten Son of God was resurrected a life giving spirit. So it was the human life that was sacrificed, the perfect sinless human was sacrificed.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1.
I say this because my audience includes more than just those who adhere to the New World Translation.
For those who do, I would encourage them to google "Watchtower false prophecies" as it will be an eye-opener for them.
If the Watchtower Society is a false prophet, then its translation cannot really be trusted to give you the unadulterated truth of God's word or the real gospel of Jesus Christ.
You will know them by their fruits.
I say this because my audience includes more than just those who adhere to the New World Translation.
For those who do, I would encourage them to google "Watchtower false prophecies" as it will be an eye-opener for them.
If the Watchtower Society is a false prophet, then its translation cannot really be trusted to give you the unadulterated truth of God's word or the real gospel of Jesus Christ.
You will know them by their fruits.
CharismaticLady
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Actually it looks like He ascended right after the resurrection, and came back to give witness to the disciples, THEN left for good forty days later.
14 Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?”
She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, “Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away.”
16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!”
She turned and said to Him, “Rabboni!” (which is to say, Teacher).
17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that He had spoken these things to her.
ByGraceThroughFaith
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It does have a lot to do with "a body Dying".
Consider: God IS a "spiritual" Spirit.
"Spiritual" Spirits "can Never Die".
Mankind, IS a Body.
And all bodies, that have, blood ...
Blood IS the Life of the Body.
And a consequence of Sin, IS all body's, with Blood, MUST Die.
Telling, teaching a man...hey, you are bodily going to die...(look around, you CAN see people do bodily Die) but hey, if you believe in God, (that you can nether see or hear)...He will make your body rise up from decayed rotting flesh into a Forever living body...wanna join the believers club?
Pretty hard for one man to convince another man that is possible.
That has been man's condunrum since the beginning of mankind. FEW men preaching About This Heavenly God...
And MANY men saying pfft, ya prove it smartypants.
There is much indepth things Jesus was to accomplish and did accomplish when He came to Earth...
And a highlight was to Satisfy Earthly men's ...
"Senses" ... something men could Hear, See, Touch, observe Results....a Perfect Example.
And "nothing" whatsoever...
Threats, beatings, gossip, love, hate, injustice, discomfort, tempting....
Nothing anyone- spirit or man could do...Stopped Him from accomplishing being a Perfect Example for mankind TO SEE.
It had everything to do with "His" Death and His Body.
He IS the Word of God.
Since Before mankind... the Word of God WAS Slain, Killed....and the Manner of Death;
(Was NOT bodily).
The manner of Death, was Changing Gods Truth into a Lie- "killing His Truth".
And that was "effected" by a very highly gifted (powerful) Holy angel's "Thoughts"...
Lucifer...who Thought, he could BE Greater than God....and instantly "forfeited" his Holiness status.
That was between "spirits".
The Eternal Spirit God and the Created spirit, Lucifer.
Men are bodies...Gods Communicated with men via visons...and the frustration of men teaching men without all men havis a vision...
Pretty tough.
God promised, and followed through with sending His Word to Earth...in the LIKENESS "as" a man...for many many men to SEE...and tell others...increased the Believability for mankind.
And then SEEING a very public crucifixion and....What?? Three days later He's Walking about Talking and visiting with men?
He claimed men could die and be risen up again...oh ya....prove it....oh ya...He did!
Not just a handful of men preaching their Visions....But Thousands of Jews and Gentiles...Witnesses.
You noticed the "supposed" breaking news...which means, whatever important news was being broadcast...Biden tripping Up the stairs was Sooo important to stop the reports and break in with Biden all important trip! Laughable "breaking news"...YET splashed on every station!
Now consider REAL news in Jesus' Day. A famous crucifixion many observed...then 3 days later He is walking About amongst the People... Think That news didn't spread like wildfire? Locals, travelers, letters, along regular caravan routes?
Man is a Body...and Jesus' Body did what?
Took upon His Body the Sin of Every man's Body....and overcame that Sin with His Light.
Oh so Every man's bodily Sin is Overcome with Gods Light...
Well YES... IF the individual Believes That.
And No... IF the Individual doesn't believe That.
Always a "IF" / "THEN"
Jesus came, revealed, exampled, offered.
Nothing is forced.
But Acceptance IS Required.
Man is subject to death because of his Sin.
Blood is the payment required For Forgiveness of Sin.
Little problem...Pure Blood is required for Forgiveness of Sin.
No Earthly man has pure Blood.
It required Jesus' Pure Blood, Offering, that men can accept or Reject.
God Bless,
Taken
Partically Correct.
The Word of God...has numerous names and they appear to distinguish particular "time frames", identifying the periods in man's history, as to when certain names are revealed, and doing what particular thing.
Yes...the name for Gods Word, at a point in history Gods Word was revealed in the Likeness as A Jewish man...He was called Son of man, Jesus, Revealed is the Christ, the wisdom of God, the Power of God, the Seed of God, a Quickening Spirit...and many other things.
And Before that?
Told the Lamb was "slain" as the Earth's foundation was being established (and that is Before mankind)
And that killing (of Gods Word) was Lucifer having the Lying thought he could rise up Above God.
The Word of God appeared to men ...As an Angel (Called The Angel of the Lord, a man, a burning bush, later ->a dove, a donkey, an Earthly man, etc.)...
But in those days, He was never called; Son of man, Jesus, Son of God, etc.
Rev 13:
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of theLamb slain from the foundation of the world.
God is first in all things.
Jesus is first in all things.
Mankind could not experience life or death...without God First experiencing it.
Man is physical, so also is his bodily death.
God is Spiritual, so also was his spiritual death (before mankind)...the killing of His Word when Lucifer made Gods Word untrue.
His physical death 4,000 years after mankind was created...(was revealed to mankind in a body, in the Likeness as a man, God prepared.)
Point being...IF Gods Word had not been slain Before mankind was created...not one man for 4,000 years, could have been Saved or his spirit Born Again.
So yes Jesus only died once.
And Gods Word was murdered (by Lucifer and has been murdered many times by men.
And WHEN God said "thou shalt not murder"...
The spiritual Understanding is: thou shalt not murder Gods Word by turning Gods Truth into a Lie.
God Bless,
Taken
It's about BLOOD.
His pure Blood forgives.
Human Blood shall Die...it's required.
But human Blood is corrupt.
While human blood Shall Die, it's Death does does Not provide Forgiveness.
Gen 9:
[4] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood..
Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require;
...
I require the life of man.
All Body's and the body's life --->Blood Shall Die.
The revelation is....
Salvation requires Forgiveness...
And the Price for receiving Forgiveness...
Is the giving of Pure Blood.
Oops...manKIND doesn't have Pure Blood.
That was the point of a "pure animals blood being offered" and that was temporary.
Jesus' Pure Blood Offering was ONCE and for every Individual willing to Accept His Offering.
Wrangler
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Yes. I think you need to consider his death and resurrection as 2 distinct events.
DEATH: His death is the ultimate, the purpose of the existence of the Messiah. It balanced the equation set wrong by Adam, who sinned in a perfect world. Jesus, sinless, died FOR a fallen world. His atoning death is the substitution for our own IF we accept this exchange.
RESURRECTION: In Acts, we learn God raised Jesus from death and delegated his authority to Judge the world. In fact, the resurrected Jesus tells us he has been given all authority. The reality of the resurrection is how we know our fate IF we follow in Jesus’ foot steps - be obedient to the Will of God onto death.
I hoe this answers your question.
Yes.
Inasmuch as Jesus Was prepared a body, by God, to give that Body, its pure Blood life for (any willing Accepting man) man's corrupted Blood life ... that Offer continues as long as men inhabit the earth (and receive no allegience mark/Seal unto Satan)...
But also to note...from the beginning Before mankind...Lucifer murdered the Word of God by his thoughts of turning Gods True Word into a Lie.
And ON this Earth, men OF this Earth, routinely...Murder the Word of God...in the Same fashion Lucifer did...BY changing the Truth of God into a Lie...
EX 20:
[13] Thou shalt not murder.
Glory to God,
Taken
Nancy
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In the context I was writing is solely speaking to a "PERFECT SACRIFICE". Are you so perfect that you too could have taken Jesus place on that cross?
The word "perfect" can also mean "complete".
The sin nature is NOT rendered dead in anyone jbf! You are rendered dead to the sin nature by virtue of your faith in the sacrifice of Christ. The sin nature will not have dominion over you if you are walking in the Spirit.
This misunderstanding leads some to believe they can lead a sinless life. While one can be in the center of God's will, that is, having no known sin in one's life, sinless perfection is not possible this side of the grave.
Well, any question is a good question. But if Jesus stayed dead then who would I have as a Father in heaven under God the Father? I'm happy for Jesus that he gets to live after suffering for the price of sin which is death. I love Jesus and want to be with him.
But why did he use God's power and resurrect himself? I think the point of the resurrection was to prove to Satan and man that death is a lie to God, killing God and the saints and making yourself a god and governor to man is a lie. See Lucifers plans to take over for God:
2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
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