Dear Charlie,
Then it should be easy to answer, no?
Mischievous? No.. Leading? Certainly..
Peace!
So why play games, can't you make your points from scripture without "leading" as you call it?
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Dear Charlie,
Then it should be easy to answer, no?
Mischievous? No.. Leading? Certainly..
Peace!
One cant be born again by amniotic water if they were already born by amniotic water. So to be born again by water HAS TO BE a different water.I totally agree with what you wrote.
1.) Born of water = your mother's water BREAKS, and out you come, = 1st birth.
next..
"You must be BORN AGAIN...""
See, you are already BORN, = BY YOUR MOTHER.....= THE WATER BREAKS = born of WATER.... into this world.
NOW, you must be """""born again""""""= by GOD.
See it?
Do you see it yet?
BORN AGAIN = SPIRITUAL Birth. = THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES THIS.....not the city water supply as your Catholic Bible falsely teaches.
Notice....
You just said......"born again OF water and Spirit...
The "cult of the virgin's demonic bible says....."Born again BY= Water".
Do you see the change?
You stated the correct understanding as found in the Greek.
Your water cult changes this in their LATIN BIBLE to "born again BY= WATER.".. "by water"......"born again by the water"....."the water causes it"...."by WATER"
See that water cult doctrine of Devil's. ????
God sees it.
Huh?? I wasn’t trying to offend you sooooo not sure where that came from.1. You can't offend me, If you think you can, Stop puffing yourself up. Your church does not even offend me, It does not have that power. I do not protest your church, I do not even consider it a church. Does that offend you? Not that it matters,, I could care one way or the other. Thats not my purpose here. My purpose is to have conversations about the word of God
2. when you tell me that, You show me there is no need to even try to discuss anything with you anymore. Because in the end, that is what you answer will be. You can not discuss the word with people who think they have the truth no matter what,
One cant be born again by amniotic water if they were already born by amniotic water. So to be born again by water HAS TO BE a different water.
Can’t you see it? God sees it.
Good morning Charlie.You know where it's at! But again, it's not for the reasons you state!
Wish we could get along and not argue like this, but there's no way around it.
But don't take it personal from me, I assure you it's not meant that way!
We just disagree on one of the most important issues in scripture!
Good morning Charlie.
How do you twist a question from me into an argument with you? I’m not arguing with you. I asked you to show me the passage from Scripture that backs up your assertion that Jesus said baptism must be public. You didn’t do that which means it isn’t there. If you would have given me a passage that you think confirms your belief and I disagreed with you we would have an argument. You presented nothing so there is nothing to argue about or disagree about.
Well, I don’t have a problem kiddo. Actually I do. It’s your condescending, degrading and hurtful tone. But that isn’t really my problem, it is yours, since it shows the type of person you are To other people: condescending, degrading and hurtfulI didnt teach that, and Jesus does not say that..
You can't be honest?
Let me give you another opportunity.
Have you any kids?
Are you aware that they were born?
How many births is that?
Did your water break?
Were you asleep, and missed it?
So, that is one birth, by water, as Jesus says...
Now, that one can't save you.
So, you must be BORN AGAIN.
THIS BIRTH, IS THE 2ND, and its SPIRITUAL.
A 5 yr old can understand this.
What is your problem?
Thanks Charlie. I am not sure what we disagree on. To the best of my memory this is the first time I have discussed anything with you. But my memory may be wrong and I will never claim to be perfect.We certainly disagree on many things, no doubt about that! The many things we disagree on can become a heated argument or can be a controlled argument, I was telling you ahead of time I prefer the latter.
As far as water baptism being public, it's a ceremony where the church members are invited to attend, is it not?
There is nothing private about it, is there? It's not found in scripture it's just a no brainer, wouldn't you think?
Did I try to be born again by the Spirit and then years later become water baptized? Ummmmm......no. My Church believes what Scripture says. When one is properly baptized via the trinitarian method the Spirit descends upon them in that baptism. Just like what happened to Jesus. Just like what happened in Acts 2 when 3,000 were baptized. You know what I mean. I was born again the Bible way: I was baptized and received the Holy Spirit. I feel bad that you weren’t.I was eventually water baptized., 11 yrs after i was born again by God's Holy Spirit.
Did you try that yet?
Dear behold. Here is the sequence of events in John:I totally agree with what you wrote.
1.) Born of water = your mother's water BREAKS, and out you come, = 1st birth.
next..
"You must be BORN AGAIN...""
See, you are already BORN, = BY YOUR MOTHER.....= THE WATER BREAKS = born of WATER.... into this world.
NOW, you must be """""born again""""""= by GOD.
See it?
Do you see it yet?
BORN AGAIN = SPIRITUAL Birth. = THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES THIS.....not the city water supply as your Catholic Bible falsely teaches.
Notice....
You just said......"born again OF water and Spirit...
The "cult of the virgin's demonic bible says....."Born again BY= Water".
Do you see the change?
You stated the correct understanding as found in the Greek.
Your water cult changes this in their LATIN BIBLE to "born again BY= WATER.".. "by water"......"born again by the water"....."the water causes it"...."by WATER"
See that water cult doctrine of Devil's. ????
God sees it.
Well, I don’t have a problem kiddo. Actually I do. It’s your condescending, degrading and hurtful tone.
Just like what happened to Jesus.
Dear behold. Here is the sequence of events in John:
John 1:31-34: Jesus was baptized. This was BEFORE his discourse with Nicdemus.
yet you go to NT shadows and treat them as if they are different.Indeed the works of 'the law' will avail one nothing. They have been fulfilled in Christ. Why go back to shadows?
you mean pipeline? I have heard many of Catholic use this saying. So there you goAn interesting metaphor, but it works..
The law was of God, (actually christ himself gave it to moses)As I said, the sacraments are Jesus' work, not ours... No one can baptise themselves..
But works of charity, now, those we do indeed need to do..
For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
Peace!
Yep there is only one churchHuh?? I wasn’t trying to offend you sooooo not sure where that came from.
There is only ONE Church with ONE truth. The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth....just like Scripture says. The key words you said were “people who THINK they have the truth”. So I agree with you. It is hard to have a discussion with people who THINK they have the truth. People don’t have the truth. The Church has the truth.
Hey behold. We agree on something. He was baptized because he had to fulfill the Law. Wanna know why else he was baptized?Why was Jesus baptized?
You think it was because he needed to be born again?
Is that right? Like all the unbelieving Jews in Acts 2?
Do you see what you are believing about Jesus that your water cult has deceived you to believe?
Jesus was baptized because He had to totally fulfill the LAW.
Jesus had to fulfill all the "law", and live a sinless LIFE, or His sacrifice of Himself as the blood atonement, would not have succeeded.
Dear dear behold,Jesus was not born again when John the Baptist, baptized Him.
Listen.,
To be born again, you have to be a SINNER in need of Salvation.
So, you just taught that Jesus was a sinner, and needed to be born again.
Kiddo is an enduring term when it comes from me but I will respect your wishes.Here is an update for you.
Continue to call a grown man "kiddo", and i'll continue to allow you to feel your feelings.
Do you hear me?
yet you go to NT shadows and treat them as if they are different