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There's quite a bit of controversy and confusion related to charting the three
days predicted by Matt 12:40 & John 2:19. Some of the disagreement is due
to one side of the aisle insisting that portions of a day count as a day,
whereas the other side of the aisle insists that in order for a day to count as
a day, it has to be a whole day.
Fortunately this issue is very easy to resolve due to a preponderance of
textual evidence strongly attesting that Jesus Christ's crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than the end of the day.
• Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.
• Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.
• Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by
the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.
• Luke 24:5-8 . . In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to
the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you look for the living among
the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he
was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must be delivered into the
hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."
• Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.
• Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behooved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day
• Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day
• 1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
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There's quite a bit of controversy and confusion related to charting the three
days predicted by Matt 12:40 & John 2:19. Some of the disagreement is due
to one side of the aisle insisting that portions of a day count as a day,
whereas the other side of the aisle insists that in order for a day to count as
a day, it has to be a whole day.
Fortunately this issue is very easy to resolve due to a preponderance of
textual evidence strongly attesting that Jesus Christ's crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than the end of the day.
• Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.
• Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.
• Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by
the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.
• Luke 24:5-8 . . In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to
the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you look for the living among
the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he
was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must be delivered into the
hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."
• Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.
• Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behooved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day
• Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day
• 1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
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In support of amadeus' Greek Orthodox priest, please let me remind people, day is defined by light, and night is defined by darkness, as was explained by the Greek priest, and a portion of a day is counted as a whole. If I go to the sea-side for the day, I am not there for 24 hours.
Remember Jesus and the disciples were talking and writing to Hebrews who knew very well that the word for day (yome) means a period of time defined by light and dark. The Greek Orthodox priest was correct and those contemporary to Jesus obviously knew about the period of darkness on the first day followed by the light that marked another new day. They were there and they witnessed it.
When darkness fled away, a new day dawned, praise God. We are now living in the day that the Lord has made. God bless.
I hope to give examples from scripture, so please keep watching and reading.
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Three days and three nights
“A day and a night make an onah, and a part of an onah is as the whole.” (Jewish saying). (Source: Believers Bible)
Jesus continued in the grave just as long as Jonah continued in the fish’s belly. Three days and three nights; not three entire days and nights: it is probable Jonah did not lie so long in the whale’s belly, but part of three natural days (nuchthe¯merai, the Greeks called them). They buried Jesus in the afternoon of the sixth day of the week and he rose again in the morning of the first day; it is a manner of speech very usual; see 1Ki_20:29; Est_4:16; Est_5:1; Luk_2:21. (Matthew Henry)
Three days and three nights - we will see in the resurrection account of Christ that he was in the grave but two nights and a part of three days. See Mat_18:6. This computation, however, accords strictly with the Jewish mode of reckoning. If it had “not” been, the Jews would have known it and would have charged our Saviour as being a false prophet, for they well knew he had spoken this prophecy in Matthew 27:63. However, they never made such a charge, and it is plain, therefore, that Christ accomplished the prediction.
It was a maxim, also, among the Jews, in computing time, that a part of a day was to be received as the whole. There are many instances of this in both sacred and profane history. See 2Ch_10:5, 2Ch_10:12; Gen_42:17-18. Compare Est_4:16 with Est_5:1. (Albert Barnes)
The period during which Jesus would lie in the grave is expressed in round numbers, according to the Jewish way of speaking, which was to regard any part of a day, however small, included within a period of days, as a full day. (See 1Sa_30:12, 1Sa_30:13; Est_4:16; Est_5:1; Mat_27:63, Mat_27:64, etc.). (Jamison-Faucett-Brown)
Here are some examples from scripture:
1Sa 30:11-13 They found an Egyptian in the open country and brought him to David. And they gave him bread, and he ate. They gave him water to drink, and they gave him a piece of a cake of figs and two clusters of raisins. And when he had eaten, his spirit revived, for he had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and three nights. And David said to him, “To whom do you belong? And where are you from?” He said, “I am a young man of Egypt, servant to an Amalekite, and my master left me behind because I fell sick three days ago.
He had not eaten or drunk for three days and three nights.
Assuming he had breakfast on Monday morning and then fell ill sometime during the day, then he went without food Monday night and all day Tuesday. When they found him three days later on Wednesday and gave him food and water, he had only been without food Monday night and all day Tuesday. They gave him food on Wednesday. He had not eaten or drunk for one and a half days.
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Gen 42.16: “And he put them all in custody for three days. 18 On the third day, Joseph said to them, Do this and you will live, for I fear God” and they are released ON that day (from the context of verses 25-26). They were released on the third day.
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1 Kings 20.29: “For seven days they camped opposite each other, and on the seventh day the battle was joined." In this case, battle began on the seventh day.
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2 Chr 10.5: “And he said to them, ‘Return to me again in three days” (NAS) with verse 12: “So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day as the king had directed, saying, ‘Return to me on the third day.” They had only been away two days.
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Esther 4.16: “Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my maids will fast as you do. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish.’” And then in 5.1: “On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the palace, in front of the king’s hall." “Esther had been away two days. She returned on the third day.” The same as Christ returned to newness of life on the third day.
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The Rabbinical literature also manifests this idiomatic range:
Rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah, tenth in the descent from Ezra was very specific: “A day and a night are an Onah [‘a portion of time’] and the portion of an Onah is as the whole of it” [J.Talmud, Shabbath 9.3 and b.Talmud, Pesahim 4a]
There is one NT passage that indicates this Jewish idiom.
Matt 27.63: “Sir," they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, `After three days I will rise again.” 64 So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. The third day was Sunday and the grave was no longer secure. The guard had gone off duty and were fast asleep.
“Three days and three nights” is a Hebrew idiom that the Greek of Matthew 12:40 follows. Concerning this idiom, a near contemporary of Jesus, Rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah (circa A.D. 100), said, “A day and a night make an ’onah [a twenty-four-hour period], and the portion of an ’onah is reckoned as a complete ’onah.”[7] In Hebrew a portion of a day could be counted as a complete day. As R. T. France writes, “Three days and three nights was a Jewish idiom appropriate to a period covering only two nights.”[8] Numerous commentators support this position. Although written in Greek, Matthew 12:40 expresses the Hebrew idiom—"three days and three nights"—that was understood by the Jews listening to Jesus to mean one full day and portions of two others with the intervening nights.
(Collected from sources long forgotten over a number of years.)
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“A day and a night make an onah, and a part of an onah is as the whole.” (Jewish saying). (Source: Believers Bible)
Jesus continued in the grave just as long as Jonah continued in the fish’s belly. Three days and three nights; not three entire days and nights: it is probable Jonah did not lie so long in the whale’s belly, but part of three natural days (nuchthe¯merai, the Greeks called them). They buried Jesus in the afternoon of the sixth day of the week and he rose again in the morning of the first day; it is a manner of speech very usual; see 1Ki_20:29; Est_4:16; Est_5:1; Luk_2:21. (Matthew Henry)
Three days and three nights - we will see in the resurrection account of Christ that he was in the grave but two nights and a part of three days. See Mat_18:6. This computation, however, accords strictly with the Jewish mode of reckoning. If it had “not” been, the Jews would have known it and would have charged our Saviour as being a false prophet, for they well knew he had spoken this prophecy in Matthew 27:63. However, they never made such a charge, and it is plain, therefore, that Christ accomplished the prediction.
It was a maxim, also, among the Jews, in computing time, that a part of a day was to be received as the whole. There are many instances of this in both sacred and profane history. See 2Ch_10:5, 2Ch_10:12; Gen_42:17-18. Compare Est_4:16 with Est_5:1. (Albert Barnes)
The period during which Jesus would lie in the grave is expressed in round numbers, according to the Jewish way of speaking, which was to regard any part of a day, however small, included within a period of days, as a full day. (See 1Sa_30:12, 1Sa_30:13; Est_4:16; Est_5:1; Mat_27:63, Mat_27:64, etc.). (Jamison-Faucett-Brown)
Here are some examples from scripture:
1Sa 30:11-13 They found an Egyptian in the open country and brought him to David. And they gave him bread, and he ate. They gave him water to drink, and they gave him a piece of a cake of figs and two clusters of raisins. And when he had eaten, his spirit revived, for he had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and three nights. And David said to him, “To whom do you belong? And where are you from?” He said, “I am a young man of Egypt, servant to an Amalekite, and my master left me behind because I fell sick three days ago.
He had not eaten or drunk for three days and three nights.
Assuming he had breakfast on Monday morning and then fell ill sometime during the day, then he went without food Monday night and all day Tuesday. When they found him three days later on Wednesday and gave him food and water, he had only been without food Monday night and all day Tuesday. They gave him food on Wednesday. He had not eaten or drunk for one and a half days.
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Gen 42.16: “And he put them all in custody for three days. 18 On the third day, Joseph said to them, Do this and you will live, for I fear God” and they are released ON that day (from the context of verses 25-26). They were released on the third day.
****
1 Kings 20.29: “For seven days they camped opposite each other, and on the seventh day the battle was joined." In this case, battle began on the seventh day.
****
2 Chr 10.5: “And he said to them, ‘Return to me again in three days” (NAS) with verse 12: “So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day as the king had directed, saying, ‘Return to me on the third day.” They had only been away two days.
****
Esther 4.16: “Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my maids will fast as you do. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish.’” And then in 5.1: “On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the palace, in front of the king’s hall." “Esther had been away two days. She returned on the third day.” The same as Christ returned to newness of life on the third day.
****
The Rabbinical literature also manifests this idiomatic range:
Rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah, tenth in the descent from Ezra was very specific: “A day and a night are an Onah [‘a portion of time’] and the portion of an Onah is as the whole of it” [J.Talmud, Shabbath 9.3 and b.Talmud, Pesahim 4a]
There is one NT passage that indicates this Jewish idiom.
Matt 27.63: “Sir," they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, `After three days I will rise again.” 64 So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. The third day was Sunday and the grave was no longer secure. The guard had gone off duty and were fast asleep.
“Three days and three nights” is a Hebrew idiom that the Greek of Matthew 12:40 follows. Concerning this idiom, a near contemporary of Jesus, Rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah (circa A.D. 100), said, “A day and a night make an ’onah [a twenty-four-hour period], and the portion of an ’onah is reckoned as a complete ’onah.”[7] In Hebrew a portion of a day could be counted as a complete day. As R. T. France writes, “Three days and three nights was a Jewish idiom appropriate to a period covering only two nights.”[8] Numerous commentators support this position. Although written in Greek, Matthew 12:40 expresses the Hebrew idiom—"three days and three nights"—that was understood by the Jews listening to Jesus to mean one full day and portions of two others with the intervening nights.
(Collected from sources long forgotten over a number of years.)
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Grailhunter
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Trust me when I tell you, I have heard it all. LOL Day and Night. LOL If Christ had said three days....Friday...Saturday....Sunday.... there ya go. But He said went out of His way to say three days and three nights.....LOL You be missing a night. 39 hours vs 72 hours.
Like I said before, if you mess with this then you have to address how they normally think of time. When does the day start....when does it end. It is an interesting topic if someone wants to start it.
In the Jewish tradition it is customary to count the day from the onset of night (i.e., the visibility of three stars in the sky) until after the sunset of the following day. Thus the halakhic ruling: Ha/ailah nimshakh abarei hayom, the night follows (i.e., is part of) the day which comes after it. This method of counting was based upon the language of the Bible in the creation story (Gen. 1) where it says several times "and it was evening, and it was morning, the first (second, third, etc.) day." Because of the language of the Bible, in which the evening is antecedent to the morning, it was reasoned that in the counting of the unit "day," the evening is reckoned to belong to the day which comes after it.
https://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/...sics/11-29-11-calendar/counting-day-night.pdf
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Salutations Cooper...and good morning.
So we are on the battlefield and we get a message...."The Assyrians are going to attack in three days. Be ready." But they attack in 25 hours and we are defeated. This error of understanding would play out in all time keeping. The messenger should not have counted an hour of a day as a whole day. Then again the pretense of telling someone what is going to happen as opposed to telling someone what happened is a little different. And that is another topic. As in Christ saying this, so as His followers would know when to expect His resurrection....Of course the guy with the stopwatch was not there but Christ may have risen before dawn. Another time marker. Did the ladies know? It is all good topics.
The "whole day" argument does not pan out in normal reckoning, much less the fact that Christ specified day...and....night.
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That is what the Bible says, and I am not arguing with scripture.
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The day that Jesus was crucified coincides with preparation day (John 18:28
& John 19:14) which is the day during which pious Jews prepare for their
Seder in accord with instructions per the 12th chapter of Exodus.
So then, I do not recommend counting preparation day as one of the three
days that Jesus predicted per Matt 12:40 because the Jews' preparation day
was the day of his own preparation when he too was slain along with all the
other lambs.
And besides, if we count the Jews' prep day, then our chronology will have
only two nights in the tomb instead of three, seeing as how we know from
numerous passages that Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life during
the hours of daylight. (Post No.22)
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The day that Jesus was crucified coincides with preparation day (John 18:28
& John 19:14) which is the day during which pious Jews prepare for their
Seder in accord with instructions per the 12th chapter of Exodus.
So then, I do not recommend counting preparation day as one of the three
days that Jesus predicted per Matt 12:40 because the Jews' preparation day
was the day of his own preparation when he too was slain along with all the
other lambs.
And besides, if we count the Jews' prep day, then our chronology will have
only two nights in the tomb instead of three, seeing as how we know from
numerous passages that Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life during
the hours of daylight. (Post No.22)
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Wrangler
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Agreed. I've long stated this is the most important fact of the Bible. Just because there is a caring God does not mean logic does not work. Math
Wed @ ~ 3PM Jesus dies. Is put in ground ~dusk.
Thursday @ dusk: Day 1
Friday @ dusk: Day 2
Saturday @ dusk: Day 3
Some like to think Mary missed by minutes the most important fact in all of human history, the resurrection of Jesus. She missed it by nearly 12 hours.
Grailhunter
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So you can help us with this. Find where after three days and three nights the ladies came to the tomb.
The whole high horse thing, the soap box and Bible thumping only works if what you have to say is true.
If not I will put you in the category of those that think the world is flat...
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Just believe Jesus. He said he would rise again on the third day, Friday, Saturday, Sunday are three days, and that is what he did.
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Grailhunter
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The problem being is that He was crucified on Friday. I have already proved the following day was the full moon of the Passover. And that no other calculation works.
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You mention the day of preparation and we see this mentioned in Matthew 27:62-64. This is what it says, "Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said (Jesus), while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first."
Jesus did what he said he would do. If people disagree that is sad. But rather than find fault with Jesus, not a very sensible thing to do, would it not be best to either try to understand the way they counted short term time, or just accept what happened was correct, and move on.
Did you read post 25?
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Always context to consider....You must hate your mother and father your wife your family etc to be my disciple. Biblical understanding is more than reading a sentence.
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I have given a very full explanation in post 25. Context, examples, everything.
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