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justbyfaith

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Im saying that Paul said we are to always have the Victory.
Not sometimes.
Not every other day.
He says "Christ always gives him the Victory"..
You say that can't be true.
One of you is lying.
No, I do not say that that can't be true.

The one that is lying is you.
 

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Do you sin, @Behold?

Do you violate any of the commandments as Jesus re-defined them in the Sermon on the Mount in the practical sense?
 

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But you sin and confess.

No I don’t sin. I have confessed my sins when I repented and believed.

I am born of God:

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin

That’s why Christ says:

John 3:3
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

So much of Christianity has been corrupted with men’s traditional doctrines which have caused many to flat out deny scriptures. Many are not born again at all. Many are deceived and sinning without a guilty conscience because it has been seared by men’s teachings.

Matthew 15:6
...Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

A very grievous thing to behold.

There are indeed many false prophets in these last days:

Matthew 24:5
For many shall come in my name... and shall deceive many.
 

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No, I do not say that that can't be true.

The one that is lying is you.

Saying im lying without any proof, without any quotes..... what does that make you?
You think the proof is that you believe it?
Well, if wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

See, the issue is..
You can't HEAR.
And that is because you are carnal and self obsessed.
For example.....You have the obsession that you are this Forum's "Pastor".
You actually stated this in a post, then argued this delusion in a few more posts.
And that's a delusion that you BELIEVE, along with believing that im not honest.
Listen....
You have to let go of your carnal "self saving" and begin to trust in Christ to keep you saved.
Until then, your faith is dead.
Understand?
At this time, and for the 6+ months you have talked to me, you've never given Christ credit, even once, for keeping you saved.
Not one time......never.
And why?
Because you will not be honest if you say He does, as you do not believe He does..
So do not come now and lie, justbyfaith., or you'll have one more sin to confess tonight.
This is why your "gospel of works and water" and "gospel of self saving", is all you can keep on posting along with verses that you do not understand.
 

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I want to say also that the fact that I have confessed my sins means that Jesus is faithful and just to forgive me of my sins and to cleanse me from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9).

So, it is not a fruitless endeavor to confess our sins; it will result in the peaceable fruit of righteousness in those who do so.

What I confessed as sin yesterday, therefore, may not be my sin today; for in confessing my sins I have enabled the Lord to cleanse me from all unrighteousness and therefore what I have confessed is no longer my sin today; because I have confessed it and the Lord has cleansed me.
 

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Im saying that Paul said we are to always have the Victory.
Not sometimes.
Not every other day.
He says "Christ always gives him the Victory"..
You say that can't be true.
One of you is lying.

No, I do not say that that can't be true.

The one that is lying is you.

Saying im lying without any proof, without any quotes..... what does that make you?
You think the proof is that you believe it?

The quotes are above for all to see....you claimed that I said something that I did not say...therefore you were bearing false witness about my testimony.

At this time, and for the 6+ months you have talked to me, you never give Christ credit, even once, for keeping you saved.

Another lie.

I have taught clearly that in Ephesians 1:13-14, those who have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14) have everlasting faith and therefore everlasting life (John 6:47) because they are sealed by the Holy Spirit...which means that they are kept by Christ. 1 John 5:18 also says that they keep themselves. So, to reconcile the concepts, I would teach that we are kept by the motivating power of God in that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit and He motivates us to continue in His goodness (Romans 11:20-22).

It is those who have a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith who can fall away (Luke 8:12-13); for they are not sealed by the Holy Spirit....they do not have Christ to keep them saved.
 

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No I don’t sin. I have confessed my sins when I repented and believed.
I am born of God:
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin

Why do you not commit sin, if you are born again?

1 John 1:8 """says that if you say you have no sin, you deceive yourself"..

So, are you deceiving yourself with 1 John 3:9 ?

So, im going to let you explain that, and then i'll respond to it, as it could be, that you know why.
It could be, that you don't and your explanation will be quite a mess.
I think its fair to let you explain 1 Jn 3:9 vs 1 Jn 1:8.

If you can't, i can, and i will.
But give it a shot, as this is very important for believers to understand.
Its in fact, critical.
 

justbyfaith

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You have the obsession that you are this Forum's "Pastor", for example.
No, that seems to be your obsession.

I spoke of that in a thread that has long been buried. I even mentioned that I was embarrassed by it. But you seem to keep wanting to dredge it up.
 

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1 John 1:8 speaks of indwelling sin; while 1 John 3:9 speaks of practical sins.

Indwelling sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).
 

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1 John 1:8 """says that if you say you have no sin, you deceive yourself"..

This applies to people who are not saved.

1 John 1:7-9
...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

But if we deny the cleansing blood and say this:

[8]... we have no sin

Then we are deceived and the truth (Christ) is not in us.

But:

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


And we fulfill these words:

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin

It’s extraordinary how abused and twisted the writings of 1 John are by mainstream Christianity.
 

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The quotes are above for all to see....you claimed that I said something that I did not say...

Well then let me be clear.

You stated that if any believers say that they have no sin, (are not sinning) then this can't be true, as then you post 1jn 1:8 = 150 times.
Thats you.

So , when i say that Paul said that I can have Victory , (no sinning), as he has it, you then say that is not true. and post 1 Jn 1:8 again, and again.

Later, if you NOW SAY that this could be true,....... while you are posting against me saying it IS TRUE,..... then you are either lost in your own mind or are not aware of what you are writing.

Let me be really precise.

You can't be honest....and on one hand say, as you did today, that "it could be true" that a person can not sin. ("Christ gives me the Victory")....while you post that a believer is deceived if they say this about themselves.. And then you paste 1 Jn 1:8.


You need to work on whatever it is that is making you behave like this, and think like this, and solve it.
 

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Well then let me be clear.

You stated that if any believers say that they have no sin, (are not sinning) then this can't be true, as then you post 1jn 1:8 = 150 times.
Thats you.

So , when i say that Paul said that I can have Victory , (no sinning), as he has it, you then say that is not true. and post 1 Jn 1:8 again, and again.

Later, if you NOW SAY that this could be true,....... while you are posting against me saying it IS TRUE,..... then you are either lost in your own mind or are not aware of what you are writing.

Let me be really precise.

You can't be honest....and on one hand say, as you did today, that "it could be true" that a person can not sin. ("Christ gives me the Victory")....while you post that a believer is deceived if they say this about themselves.. And then you paste 1 Jn 1:8.


You need to work on whatever it is that is making you behave like this, and think like this, and solve it.

@Behold, you simply do not understand my theology on this.

We all have indwelling sin; which does not preclude that we must practically commit sin; because the element of sin can be rendered dead within us (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

That means, that 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 3:9 are reconciled. Both are absolutely true and there is no contradiction between them.

While I have indwelling sin, it is dead within me and therefore I do not have to sin.

Understand?
 

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@Behold

Your only way out of 1 John 3:9 is to make it void by traditional teachings.

But beware:

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

And Jesus is the word!

Don’t deny it, don’t twist it!

Any conflict of the word with your carnal mind must be resolved by you doing this:

Romans 12:2
be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So be transformed by the word: do not transform the word of God to fit YOUR condition!