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Friday is not Saturday or Sunday.
But Friday is the day He died. So a portion of Friday counts as the first day.
All day Saturday...counts as one whole Day.

Then a very small portion of Sunday morning...so that counts as the third day.

And that's how the Jews counted things.

That's highly specific and accurate prophecy.

Think again JohnDB...LOL
In the Jewish tradition it is customary to count the day from the onset of night (i.e., the visibility of three stars in the sky) until after the sunset of the following day. Thus the halakhic ruling: Ha/ailah nimshakh abarei hayom, the night follows (i.e., is part of) the day which comes after it. This method of counting was based upon the language of the Bible in the creation story (Gen. 1) where it says several times "and it was evening, and it was morning, the first (second, third, etc.) day." Because of the language of the Bible, in which the evening is antecedent to the morning, it was reasoned that in the counting of the unit "day," the evening is reckoned to belong to the day which comes after it.

https://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/...sics/11-29-11-calendar/counting-day-night.pdf
 

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Friday is not Saturday or Sunday.
But Friday is the day He died. So a portion of Friday counts as the first day.
All day Saturday...counts as one whole Day.

Then a very small portion of Sunday morning...so that counts as the third day.

And that's how the Jews counted things.

That's highly specific and accurate prophecy.





Ah okay. :)
 

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I rarely ask entrapping questions, but this is going to be one of those times:

When a Jewish person goes on a one day fast, is it for 24 hours or just a portion of a day, thus he or she gets to count it as a whole day?

If they go on a 3 day fast -- both night and day - can they fast a couple of hours at the end of day one, all day on day two, and a couple of hours on day 3, and still call it a fast of 3 days and 3 nights?
 
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But Friday is the day He died. So a portion of Friday counts as the first day.
All day Saturday...counts as one whole Day. Then a very small portion of
Sunday morning...so that counts as the third day.

If you insist upon a Friday crucifixion; then your chronology will account
only two of the three nights required by Matt 12:40.


NOTE: The final authority on matters of daytime and nighttime is the Lord
himself. He was actually living in Israel during crucifixion week. When Jesus
was here, days were, at the most, only 12 hours.

John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in
the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if
anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

This world's light is of course the Sun as per Gen 1:14-18. So then, when
Jesus was here; day was when the Sun is up and night was when the Sun is
down; meaning of course that the three days and three nights of Matt 12:40
indicate three times when the Sun was up, and three times when the Sun
was down; i.e. relative to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection: days began
with sunrise and nights began with sundown.


FYI: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by
what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with
the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when
this world's light consists of less than 12 normal hours of Sun, and
sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was
always twelve regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just
a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifices)
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If you insist upon a Friday crucifixion; then your chronology will produce
only two of the three nights required by Matt 12:40.


NOTE: The final authority on matters of daytime and nighttime is the Lord
himself. He was actually living in Israel during crucifixion week. When Jesus
was here, days were, at the most, only 12 hours.

John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in
the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if
anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

This world's light is of course the Sun as per Gen 1:14-18. So then, when
Jesus was here; day was when the Sun is up and night was when the Sun is
down; meaning of course that the three days and three nights of Matt 12:40
indicate three times when the Sun was up, and three times when the Sun
was down; i.e. relative to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection: days began
with sunrise and nights began with sundown.


FYI: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by
what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with
the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when
this world's light consists of less than 12 normal hours of Sun, and
sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was
always twelve regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just
a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifices)
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A day was defined by light and dark. Jesus was crucified early on Friday morning when it was light, and when he died at 3pm it went dark. That was day 1.

When the light returned they placed him in the sepulchre. When it went dark again, that was day 2. Both on the Friday.

Likewise on Saturday which was the third day, when he rose again.
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Come on guys you know....
The storyline makes it clear it is a double sabbath. Passover occurring on the Jewish Sabbath...Saturday.
He dies around 3:00 in the afternoon.
The Passover occurs on a full moon....that can be tracked.
Don't get hung up on the three days thing....cliché or figure of speech... ask Christ next time you see Him.
 

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A day was defined by light and dark

When Jesus was living in Israel, days were limited to 12 hours rather than
consisting of 24. (John 11:9-10)


FYI: In the first chapter of Genesis, there are two kinds of days to reckon with.

One is an Earth day, which is specifically defined as when the Sun is up.
(Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16, and Gen 1:17-18) the opposite of course is
that night is defined as when the Sun is down.

The other is a creation day, which is bounded by an evening and a morning.
(Gen 1:5, et al).

Creation days are both mysterious and ambiguous. Nobody really knows for
sure how long they were; but I'm confident in my own mind that it's safe to
assume that creation days were much, much longer than Earth days; and
that the terms "evening and morning" are merely place cards that tag the
end of a day of creation and the beginning of another.


NOTE: Chronologically; evening and morning don't define a day, they
actually define overnight.

The Hebrew word for "day" is ambiguous. For example, the entire creation
endeavor is described as one day at Gen 2:4.

Creation days are often mistaken for the Earth days that Jesus spoke of in
Matt 12:40, i.e. the error is not all that uncommon.
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It did. As you say it went dark when Jesus died and the veil in the Temple was rent in two.
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Indeed! People presume that what man via science has decided makes the day and/or the night. Even in reading the Bible they use someone's man-made definitions instead of seeking what God message really may be. It could be different, no? But... anyone who has ever attended a service, especially a well established church/denomination, will understand, if they are paying attention and are able to take off any blinders, that they already very often have certain ATs [Absolute Truths] already set in concrete. On those things they are not even open for discussion. Talk about quenching the Holy Spirit!
 
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When Jesus was living in Israel, days were limited to 12 hours rather than
consisting of 24. (John 11:9-10)

FYI: In the first chapter of Genesis, there are two kinds of days to reckon with.

One is an Earth day, which is specifically defined as when the Sun is up.
(Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16, and Gen 1:17-18) the opposite of course is
that night is defined as when the Sun is down.

The other is a creation day, which is bounded by an evening and a morning.
(Gen 1:5, et al).

Creation days are both mysterious and ambiguous. Nobody really knows for
sure how long they were; but I'm confident in my own mind that it's safe to
assume that creation days were much, much longer than Earth days; and
that the terms "evening and morning" are merely place cards that tag the
end of a day of creation and the beginning of another.


NOTE: Chronologically; evening and morning don't define a day, they
actually define overnight.

The Hebrew word for "day" is ambiguous. For example, the entire creation
endeavor is described as one day at Gen 2:4.

Creation days are often mistaken for the Earth days that Jesus spoke of in
Matt 12:40, i.e. the error is not all that uncommon.
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You are so right when you say the Hebrew word for "day" is ambiguous.
See here:
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
Total KJV occurrences: 2295 (Strong’s)


The word “day” sometimes signifies an indefinite time (Gen_2:4; Isa_22:5; Heb_3:8, etc.). In Job_3:1 it denotes a birthday, and in Isa_2:12, Act_17:31, and 2Ti_1:18, the great day of final judgment. (Eastons dictionary)


The Jews are supposed, like the modern Arabs, to have adopted from an early period, minute specifications of the parts of the natural day. Roughly, indeed, they were content to divide it into "morning, evening and noonday," Psa_55:17, but when they wished for greater accuracy, they pointed to six unequal parts, each of which was again subdivided. These are held to have been —
1. "the dawn."
2. "Sunrise."
3. "Heat of the day," about 9 o'clock.
4. "The two noons," Gen_43:16; Gen_28:29.
5. "The cool (literally. wind) of the day," before sunset, Gen_3:8 — so called by the Persians to this day.
6. "Evening." (Smiths dictionary.)
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You are so right when you say the Hebrew word for "day" is ambiguous.
See here:
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
Total KJV occurrences: 2295 (Strong’s)


The word “day” sometimes signifies an indefinite time (Gen_2:4; Isa_22:5; Heb_3:8, etc.). In Job_3:1 it denotes a birthday, and in Isa_2:12, Act_17:31, and 2Ti_1:18, the great day of final judgment. (Eastons dictionary)


The Jews are supposed, like the modern Arabs, to have adopted from an early period, minute specifications of the parts of the natural day. Roughly, indeed, they were content to divide it into "morning, evening and noonday," Psa_55:17, but when they wished for greater accuracy, they pointed to six unequal parts, each of which was again subdivided. These are held to have been —
1. "the dawn."
2. "Sunrise."
3. "Heat of the day," about 9 o'clock.
4. "The two noons," Gen_43:16; Gen_28:29.
5. "The cool (literally. wind) of the day," before sunset, Gen_3:8 — so called by the Persians to this day.
6. "Evening." (Smiths dictionary.)
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It is not that confusing. The Hebrews, the Jews define how they calculated the day. Look it up.
 

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Indeed! People presume that what man via science has decided makes the day and/or the night. Even in reading the Bible they use someone's man-made definitions instead of seeking what God message really may be. It could be different, no? But... anyone who has ever attended a service, especially a well established church/denomination, will understand, if they are paying attention and are able to take off any blinders, that they already very often have certain ATs [Absolute Truths] already set in concrete. On those things they are not even open for discussion. Talk about quenching the Holy Spirit!
I often wonder how there can be so many different "Absolute Truths," all on the same topic? Very strange.
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I often wonder how there can be so many different "Absolute Truths," all on the same topic? Very strange.
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Of course there is a lot of overlapping, but people who attend or belong to one assembly or denomination will have often their own set of beliefs or doctrines. A few may not be hard nosed about their pet doctrines being ATs, but a whole lot of people in my own experience are very hard nosed being unwilling to seriously consider that they also may be in error with regard to their own ATs. This rigidness is out in the world at large, but if you have looked around this forum much the same type of thing occurs here making real discussion with some people impossible.

One question some people may honestly ask, Is how important is this doctrine really? For some people a definite answer on the three days and nights may not be important. For others, very much so. That importance to them and how they interact with God and with other people can make a difference in their walk with God. Of course I mention this particular doctrine here because of the OP here, but I see similar problems with other doctrines or beliefs.
 

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Of course there is a lot of overlapping, but people who attend or belong to one assembly or denomination will have often their own set of beliefs or doctrines. A few may not be hard nosed about their pet doctrines being ATs, but a whole lot of people in my own experience are very hard nosed being unwilling to seriously consider that they also may be in error with regard to their own ATs. This rigidness is out in the world at large, but if you have looked around this forum much the same type of thing occurs here making real discussion with some people impossible.

One question some people may honestly ask, Is how important is this doctrine really? For some people a definite answer on the three days and nights may not be important. For others, very much so. That importance to them and how they interact with God and with other people can make a difference in their walk with God. Of course I mention this particular doctrine here because of the OP here, but I see similar problems with other doctrines or beliefs.
There needs to be harmony, whereby one truth supports another truth. Night :)
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The Hebrews, the Jews define how they calculated the day. Look it up.

The best Jew to look up would be Christ. He was actually living in Israel
during crucifixion week; therefore I consider him an expert witness whose
testimony would be taken seriously in a court of law.

According to Jesus, days were, at the most, only 12 hours; and they began
not at sundown, but at sunrise.

John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in
the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if
anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

This world's light is of course the Sun as per Gen 1:14-18. So then, when
Jesus was here; day was when the Sun is up and night was when the Sun is
down; meaning of course that the three days and three nights of Matt 12:40
indicate three times when the Sun was up, and three times when the Sun
was down; i.e. relative to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection: days began
with sunrise and nights began with sundown.

You know, I'd be willing to bet my next Social Security deposit that most any
six year-old kid we'd stop on the street could tell us the difference between
night and day, but for some mysterious reason, which I have yet to fully
understand; there are numbers of adults on Christian internet forums who
cannot.

Matt 11:25-26 . . At that time Jesus said: I praise you, Father, Lord of
heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and
learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your
good pleasure.
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The best Jew to look up would be Christ. He was actually living in Israel
during crucifixion week; therefore I consider him an expert witness whose
testimony would be taken seriously in a court of law.

According to Jesus, days were, at the most, only 12 hours; and they began
not at sundown, but at sunrise.

John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in
the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if
anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

This world's light is of course the Sun as per Gen 1:14-18. So then, when
Jesus was here; day was when the Sun is up and night was when the Sun is
down; meaning of course that the three days and three nights of Matt 12:40
indicate three times when the Sun was up, and three times when the Sun
was down; i.e. relative to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection: days began
with sunrise and nights began with sundown.

You know, I'd be willing to bet my next Social Security deposit that most any
six year-old kid we'd stop on the street could tell us the difference between
night and day, but for some mysterious reason, which I have yet to fully
understand; there are numbers of adults on Christian internet forums who
cannot.

Matt 11:25-26 . . At that time Jesus said: I praise you, Father, Lord of
heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and
learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your
good pleasure.
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I have given the information to understand this but, hey believe what you want.
For some reason this topic brings out a desperation that is unwarranted. We are not just talking about 3 days, but also Nights. Three days and three nights is a full 72 hours...as opposed to 39 hours to the resurrection. 72 hours would have been around 3:00 Monday afternoon. You could fudge and click the stopwatch Monday morning.

Even if you call 3:00 Friday a full day....so then Friday night....1 day....then Saturday --- day---then Saturday --- night...2days
---- but then the stopwatch clicks on Sunday morning. Technically your short most of the "day" on Sunday and a whole night.

Your explanation is completely wrong. If they tried to apply your calculation of time....they would not be able to tell time or convey a conversation of time to each other. I have seen this done so many times. For centuries the Jews calculated their days in relation to the duration of their holy days....which is dusk to dusk. The Jewish website below explains this. Christ made it more specific...3 daytimes and 3 night times. As this is conveyed in the Bible, ya know, the whole 40 days and 40 nights...it is most likely a cliché or figure of speech...not expecting someone to be standing by with a stopwatch.

https://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/...sics/11-29-11-calendar/counting-day-night.pdf
 

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I have given the information to understand this but, hey believe what you want.
For some reason this topic brings out a desperation that is unwarranted. We are not just talking about 3 days, but also Nights. Three days and three nights is a full 72 hours...as opposed to 39 hours to the resurrection. 72 hours would have been around 3:00 Monday afternoon. You could fudge and click the stopwatch Monday morning.

Even if you call 3:00 Friday a full day....so then Friday night....1 day....then Saturday --- day---then Saturday --- night...2days
---- but then the stopwatch clicks on Sunday morning. Technically your short most of the "day" on Sunday and a whole night.

Your explanation is completely wrong. If they tried to apply your calculation of time....they would not be able to tell time or convey a conversation of time to each other. I have seen this done so many times. For centuries the Jews calculated their days in relation to the duration of their holy days....which is dusk to dusk. The Jewish website below explains this. Christ made it more specific...3 daytimes and 3 night times. As this is conveyed in the Bible, ya know, the whole 40 days and 40 nights...it is most likely a cliché or figure of speech...not expecting someone to be standing by with a stopwatch.

https://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/...sics/11-29-11-calendar/counting-day-night.pdf

The tap dance that people do for this is just not worth the effort. It distracts from the real story....LOL....Christ was crucified....died for our sins....and then resurrected. That is real story.

There are bigger time issues...as in last days....last times....time is short....soon...quickly....words and phrases like this meaning something over 2000 years for Christ's return is difficult....and as time goes on will become more difficult.
 

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Three days and three nights is a full 72 hours

There is a preponderance of textual evidence strongly attesting that Jesus
Christ's crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather
than the end of the day.

Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.

Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by
the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.

Luke 24:5-8 . . In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to
the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you look for the living among
the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he
was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must be delivered into the
hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."

Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.

Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behooved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day

1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
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There is a preponderance of textual evidence strongly attesting that Jesus
Christ's crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather
than the end of the day.

Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.

Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by
the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.

Luke 24:5-8 . . In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to
the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you look for the living among
the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he
was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must be delivered into the
hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."

Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.

Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behooved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day

1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
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I don't know what else I can do for you....I counted them off one at a time and noted day and night for you.

I gave you a Jewish reference. Please remember that the Hebrew Bible was written by Hebrews... LOL

And I explained there is a difference between what someone says is going to happen and telling what happened. Put on the thinking cap! One Hebrew says to another, "I will meet you at the crossroads in three days and three nights....do think they will understand each other?....will one show up over a day early or will one show up a day late? LOL
 
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I counted them off one at a time and noted day and night for you.

Now that we have enough textual evidence from post No.77 to prove that
Jesus Christ's crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day
rather than the end of the day, we can easily count backwards from the first
day of the week (Sunday) to determine which nights of the week factor into
his chronology per Matt 12:40.

3rd night was Saturday night

Second night was Friday night

First night was Thursday night.

Now we can easily deduce that Jesus ate his last supper during the hours of
Wednesday night.

Years ago when I was an inexperienced Christian, an atheist asked me how I
get three nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning. Well; I was
stumped and humiliated because I didn't know what to say; but nowadays I
answer all such questions by simply stating that I am not a Catholic.
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Now that we have enough textual evidence from post No.77 to prove that
Jesus Christ's crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day
rather than the end of the day, we can easily count backwards from the first
day of the week (Sunday) to determine which nights of the week factor into
his chronology per Matt 12:40.

3rd night was Saturday night

Second night was Friday night

First night was Thursday night.

If those nights are correct, then we can easily deduce that Jesus ate his last
supper during the hours of Wednesday night.

Years ago when I was an inexperienced Christian, an atheist asked me how I
get three nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning. Well; I was
stumped and humiliated because I didn't know what to say; but nowadays I
answer all such questions by simply stating that I am not a Catholic.
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LOL Afraid to answer the question?....LOL
One Hebrew says to another, "I will meet you at the crossroads in three days and three nights....do think they will understand each other?....will one show up over a day early or will one show up a day late? LOL

Look fantasy religions can be fun. You can personalize them. You can use your imagination and creative skills. You can make everything add up and make it all look rosie. And what is the harm in that? As long as you get enough reality out of the Bible to be saved, and besides is God going to deduct points?

I am in to knowing the truth and what you are saying is not true and it does not make sense, but nothing will remove you from that fantasy. So have a blast, the good thing about fantasy is that the sky is the limit and you can make it more entertaining than reality.