I am going to give a history of Pauls work, where, and why he wrote the words and to whom..much of this is coming from the book SMITH"S BIBLE DICTIONARY....for most of Pauls works are letters to different churches written in answer to letters wriitten to him about things happening in these churches...I will include some selected scripture to give a proof of the people involve and how they worshipped , some of the problems they were having and why...The first writing we have of Paul in in Acts this book is a compilation by Luke of the things that happened after Christs death and shows the beginning of the Church and who was involved... Pauls story of being blinded by the presence of Christ on the road to Damscus and his subsequent coming to join the Chruch is recorded there... it says in the Smiths " it was intended for the reading of the church whether Jew or Greek... so even at the time of Pentacost we find both Jew and Greek gathered together there ...both keeping the feast of Pentacost the 50th day after Passover, Jewish tradtion calls it counting omer...This is a celebration of the giving of the word on the Mount of Synaii when the mountain trembled and shook, no one was able to sleep and so they stayed awake all night ...this is what the church was doing that night in Jerusalem, those who had come from all around Romans were there, they were Jew .. they were present....keeping the Jewish tradtional feast....Acts 2:1Paul did not join the group until later His story is found in Acts 9: Further in Acts you will see during the feast of unleavened bread Peter was taken prisoner by Herod, this had to be a year after Christs death, for Christ was killed during Passover which coincides with this feast of unleavend bread. Acts 12:In Acts 13 we see where God sends Paul and Barnabas out for their first journey to teach the word in Cyprus a place called Solamis they taught in the synagogue... causing blindness to fall on a sorceror who had come to harass him as he spoke...performing might works and leading many to Christ. in Acts 24:14 we see where Paul in brought to the temple high priests and he is telling them he had come to the temple for purification... this is entering the mikvah a type of baptism practiced by the Jews even today...Paul ends up in prison and is brought before the King Agrippa and in Acts 26:28 were find the words of the king that he was ALMOST persuaded by Paul to believe on Christ...From there Paul was taken as a prisoner to Rome..the last few words of Acts 25:16 to the end of the chapter tells how he spoke to the Jews there telling them that God had opened salvation to the Greeks(anyone who was not Jewish) also.. and lived in RomeThis is where he write the letter to Philemon, Colossians,Ephesians and to the Phillippians these letters written at one time and sent by one messengerthe letter to the Phillipians being the last and Paul was released by emperor Nero after 2 years..He then went to Greece, Asia Minor and Spain...In Spain was a large commnunity of Jews as they were all over Europe and central Asia..Nero took him again as prisoner in AD 65-67 he wrote a letter to Timothy . He was behead by this same Nero in 67 or 68 along with many Christians....Lets look at he individual books written now:Romans was written by Paul after his trip to Ephesis, in Greece He was in Corinth and was headed back to Jerusalem to take money given by the Greek Christians to the Jerusalem Christians for their keep, there were many widows and orphans from the persecusion of the Christian Jews by the same hieracy that had killed Christ.. and the alms were given for their support.He tells the Jewish Christians there in Rome he desires to travel to them... and see some of the references to Jewishness in these letters...Romans 3:4, 5, 6 he is addressing there the blessing of knowing God through his Jewish roots...I Corinthianswas written to the chruch in Corinth a city about 40 miles west of Athens , Greece... Paul had started this church on his first journey and wrote the letter to them because another teacher had come and made the group diivide themselves the Jews and the Greeks had separted and he desired them to join as one under Christ... he warns about following one teacher or another teacher, but says this: I Corinthians 1:13which says we are follower of Christ alone, not a teacher...I Corinthians 1:24 says it all we are called to Christ and the power of God through Him, both Jew and Greek.II Corinthians was written a few months after praising them for coming back together in worship and fellowship as he had written in the first letter. in II Cor. 3:15 through II Cor. 4:2 he speaks of not hiding the Word of God ...the Words of Mohse the law that would be Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuternomy and when you know Christ you can understand these words fully .Galatians Galatia is Gaul of the east a province in Asia Minor near Epheisis.. Paul visted them 3 times the first time he was there because of an illness he recovered from there in his journey again the same teaching were dividing them the teaching that you must be circumsized in order to belong to the Church as had been taught in Corinth...Galatians 3:28 , 29 tells the brunt of the whole if you are of Christ you are also of Abraham... grafted into the family begun by him...Paul was at Ephesis when he wrote this and you will see in the verse Ephesians 6:11 he refers to writing this in his own large script indicateing that Paul has trouble with his eyes still after being blinded by the glory of Christ in the beginning..he must write in large letters to see them...Ephesians Ephesis was the Roman capital of Asia, the temple of Daina was there.. many Jew lived here and the followers of John the Baptist were here also...Tychicus was from this place and was mentioned in Act 21:29 with Paul in Jerusalem in the temple.. it was probably the first city ourtside of Jerusalem to recieve the gospel...Paul wrote this letter while in Rome during his first arrest there. Again Paul is addressing the circumcision issue with them, but you will see in the verse Ephesians 2:8,9,10,11,12, 13these verse state how we being not followers of the law are become close to God as those who do follow it...Ephesians 3:6 says it all. Ephesians 4:17 tells the gentiles not to walk as the rest of their kind and in Epesian 5:1 tells them to be followers of God.. in order to do that they must read the scripture which is the Old Testament....and the wonderful verses Ephesians 6:11 telling them to put on the whole armour of God... these are accompanied by the sword, the Word of truth which a the time was what we call the Old Testament...the only words available to all of them at the time....PhillipiansAlso written by Paul in Rome to the church in Phillipi ...Lydia was there a seller of Purple which by the way was against the law at the time... only the royals were allowed to have the dye... it was used for the talit used by all Jews at the time handed down from the specifications handed down for generations unto now..with the knots tied to write the name... the same garment worn by Christ touched by the woman who had the issue of blood. He was often there and so was Luke and Timothy.. this place was special to him ...He was imprisoned here Acts 16:23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34, the story of how he led the jailor and his whole family to Christ...In these words he is sending Timothy to them to and again speaks about circumsion... in Phillipians 3:5 he tells them to continue circumsizing those of the tribe of Judah, and Benjamen keeping the law . This circumsion was the outward sign for Israel and he says to continue doing so... though only for those of these two tribes the only two known tribes at the time of his writing..Obviously they had a settlement in Philippi and that some had come to Christ or it would not have been addressed..Colossians again written from Rome during his first imprisonment... to Colossae ....it was close to Laodecia and is written to by John also in Rev.1:11.... Thychuis delivered this letter to them...there is agin this same addressing of the Judaic teachings that had also been taught against namely curcumsion of all Greek believers.. Colossians 2:11... in Colossians 3:16 we see and admonishing for them to be knowledgeable in the word of Christ ... what word is that? the only one available at the time... the Old Testament... see a underlying theme developing... they should all know the word, but not be held to circumsiion unless you were of the tribes....I and II Thessalonians these two letters are probably the first two letters written by Paul... and from Corinth Thesselonica was in Macedonai again in Acts 17:1 we see Paul started the church by speaking the in synagogue, there were Jews living in this Roman city...Many church leaders had been killed and Paul is writing to comfort them in this time of pain..Pauls words in IIThess. 3:14 is why I choose to wirte this for in love I seek for you to know truly what Paul taught and why...out of love for all or you....Timothy, Titus, written by Paul to the named individuals probably from the time in between Pauls two imprisonments ,from Macedonea and Ephesis, to tell these two men what they know in order to lead the churches he has intrusted to them...Timothy was raised in the knowledge of the Word of God or again the Old Testament, we know of him from Acts 16:1,3...we find that while Timothy had grown up learning scripture he had not been circumsized and was circumsized by Paul himself Acts 16:3 it is amazing that Titus was not circumsized by intervention of Paul, Timothy as a decendant of tribes through his mother is seemingly required by Paul to be so circumsized.... the second epistle of Timothy, is written to Timothy from the cell of Paul during his second imprisonment.. one of the last writings we have from him..Titus was a convert of Paul and a Greek Paul insisted he not have to be circumsized...and was left in Crete to govern the church there...Philemon written during Paul's first confinement in Rome the reason Paul wrote the letter to Philemon was because a slave of Philemons had escaped and run away to Rome, Paul had converted the slave to Christ and was attempting to reconcile the slave,Onesimus and the ownerPhilemon...Hebrews I must say that this letter is noted as having an unknown author, but seeing the thoughts expressed all realize the thoughts are the thoughts of Paul and most agree Paul wrote this letter to the Christian Jews in Jerusalem upon knowing they had been turned out of the temple.. a grevious thing for all, for the temple was important to the worship of God to them as it was to Christ who went there often during his time on the earth even as a new babe the sacrifice of the two doves given by Mary on the specified time of her completling her purifcation after Christs birth.. and later when Christ during His ministry often taught and even healed in the temple he was there during the feast of dedication, and all requirements of God in the Word to go to the temple were adhered to by Christ as he was without sin... and to not adhere to them would be sin...So no longer allowed in the temple Pauls comforts them by these words: Hebrews 3:1 naming Christ as the High Priest for us all and for all time... no longer under the bondage of the hieracy of those in Jerusalem, but freed to love Christ, honor God through Christ and not longer being bound to the earthly temple but knowing Christ was the first and last high priest Hebrews 7:1 Melchisedec....Hebrews 8:10 says it all ...God ordinaces have not passed away but are written on our hearts, Jew and Greek... we keep the law to be like Christ to show our love for God, but are no longer under the hieracy of any man only God the Father, and God the SonI am thankful to Epo and dedicate all this to him for without him I would not have learned so much as I did doing this study... I say to him... I do not hate you but love you and desire you to only excellant truth through Christ Jesus... as I do you all.
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I just want to address this point, it is commonly taught and I question the accuracy of many modern teadhings, where you write, ""were there, they were Jew or Greek .. they were present....keeping the Jewish tradtional feast....Acts 2:1""As far forward as the latter part of Acts, they sought to kill Paul for the possibility of him letting a non Jew into the synagogue. Peter spoke to gentiles once, and said it was unlawful to do it. Are we to think that gentiles were allowed in the synagogue for the temple feasts?I am unaware of the verses which state non Jews were given the feasts of the Jews. The OT makes clear that the feasts are part of the law and as such belong to Israel alone, part of their covenant promises. And that was a problem in the Acts, because the Jews were taught that the mixing of two different things were unlawful. And yet, there they were, gentiles, awaiting outside the middle wall of partition, waiting to receive the message that first was preached to Israel inside the temple.There is something to bear in mind concerning the Acts; If Israel had obtained during the Acts, they would have gone out and ministered to the nations, and the nations would have been a witness for Israel. The gentiles were not to be given Israel's carnal things, but they were made partakers of Israel's spiritual things and to be crowned as resurrection overcomers through faith, during the Acts period letters.Josephus writes about how they sat tables out, and had to eat, but could not bear to join themselves, even though, Biblically, the instruction was that they were to be seen as one body for an example to the other churches, read synagogues. We have to remember how unclean these gentiles were, how it would contaminate the whole table of food, water, and wine if a gentile accidental touched the edge of it. This was a huge problem, which is why they thought they must become Jews, but Paul quoted where they were being used to provoke Israel to jealousy, elsewhere translated 'provoke to emulation'. To get something of the Acts period, Paul gives instruction to remember that time ~Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the worldEph 2:13 But nowSo during the Acts, I have found that no gentile was made a partaker of the feasts of the Jews, Pentecost or any other. What was Paul's manner of teaching? We find him never teaching where there was no synagogue ~Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them
you are not reading what I write ....you are arguing about things I did not write... this came from scripture or Smiths... you have in the past accused me of being insane... I have done this study in pain to try to help you see.... the time the works were written and the reason.. you just won't hear anything anyone else has to say even the word of God...if it doens't fit your ideas... I 'm done...with you...there are none so blind as those who will not see...
*sigh* Sister Bet, I feel thy pain...however, that is such a good study (which is, in fact I did pray for thee to know these things.) Although it may take me time to understand all, but I know that thou did this to only tell the truth in Christ Jesus. I rather take much more pain, which I rather suffer humilty than my friends. If people do accuse me of anything, I can instantly forgive them, but only if they want forgiveness. Nice study.God blessed thee. Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
thank you brother JAG... I think you will understand... Smiths is a great source and the word as alway speaks for itself..
eop where do you see me saying that Gentiles were allowed in the temple for any reason? But there was a court of the gentiles in the temple built by Herod...I just think no matter what I say or do you will attack you will not agree I could say the moon is in the sky epo saysThere is something to bear in mind concerning the Acts; If Israel had obtained during the Acts, they would have gone out and ministered to the nations, and the nations would have been a witness for Israel. The gentiles were not to be given Israel's carnal things, but they were made partakers of Israel's spiritual things and to be crowned as resurrection overcomers through faith, during the Acts period letters.Israel? obtained what? you are not even making sense...Epo saysI am unaware of the verses which state non Jews were given the feasts of the Jews. The OT makes clear that the feasts are part of the law and as such belong to Israel alone, part of their covenant promises. And that was a problem in the Acts, because the Jews were taught that the mixing of two different things were unlawful. And yet, there they were, gentiles, awaiting outside the middle wall of partition, waiting to receive the message that first was preached to Israel inside the temple.The reason Paul wrote I Cor. was to keep the group together when they had been divided over Jewish issues...you sound like those he was teaching against...when Peter brought Cornelius into the group and they saw he'd been filled with the HOLY SPIRIT... that stopped...do you think the 3 sheets were full of unclean animals was about food? no those teaching stopped gentile and jew were the same...the rest of your point is not a point... so did I say he didn't you are the one who state all of Judah had gone back to Judah in another thread, not me... yes he taught in the syagogues and... your point?
I don't no if this will help or not but in my NIV it says:Galations
aul wrote this letter to the christian churches in the Roman province of Galatia. These churches were being confused by false teacherscalled Judaizers. These men were teaching the gentile christians that they were not really saved unless they obeyed all the Jewish laws-such as being circumcised,eating special foods and celebrating Jewish feast days. Paul wrote that we can not be saved from our sins,by obeying the law:we are saved only by believing in Jeus Christ.
aul wrote this letter to the christian churches in the Roman province of Galatia. These churches were being confused by false teacherscalled Judaizers. These men were teaching the gentile christians that they were not really saved unless they obeyed all the Jewish laws-such as being circumcised,eating special foods and celebrating Jewish feast days. Paul wrote that we can not be saved from our sins,by obeying the law:we are saved only by believing in Jeus Christ.Even though this letter was written prior to the book of Romans, there are many things here that Paul wrote common to both the Romans and the Galatians. The fundamental truth that stands out in both is that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile before God. Though there were many Jews among the church at Galatia, they were outnumbered by the Gentiles, and the problem amongst the Gentiles was that the Judaizers were teaching the necessity of circumcision, and the Gentiles were all to ready to accept the Jewish tradition as a condition of salvation. Paul states to them, when you accept this tradition, you did not receive it as a revelation of Jesus Christ or from me, but as a tradition of the Jews.Galatia means "the land of the Gauls", and this book is in response to when Paul's credentials are being called into question by the legalist. This is even common today, in churches that lean strongly to legalism. Paul's message was given to Jew and Gentile alike, as well as to the rulers of the different nations. This is recorded in Acts 9:15, and it also states there that Paul was a chosen vessel. Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"
If gentiles were keeping the feasts, then they had to be in the synagogues where the sacrifices were made. The OT never envisioned for gentiles to become Hebrew. Israel was not going to make all people Hebrew, that wasn't the promise. Gentiles were to be a witness for Israel, not become Israel. Israel would still be a called out and seperate nation, as we find them in Revelation as well as in Ezekiel and so forth, and this will still need to occur in future fulfillment. Although there were gentiles who became Jews, called Proselytizes, who became such because when a Hebrew would violate the command to have no marriage outside of their nation, the gentile would get circumcised and come under the whole of the law. The Jew would teat the Proselytizes as if they were a new born Hebrew baby, not a gentile.We see Proselytizes listed with 'Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven', and with 'ye men of Israel' in early Acts, and they, along with the Hebrew kinsmen of the flesh, followed the apostle around to try to kill him, esp when they thought Paul brought a non Jew into the temple, that is to say, beyond the middle wall of partition.It's a good study, I wasn't trying to slam it. I seek correction, I look for places where correction is observable, whether in my own work or in others'. I seek the whole truth. I study Scripture, that is what I do. Am I picky? Absolutely. Is my pickiness about you, or assaulting you or anyone? Never.2Ti 4:3 ...endure sound doctrine2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 2Ti 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. Tit 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrineTit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers ('gainsayers' pertains to 'contradictions,' contrasted by 'the faithful word).
nota ll feast are kept in the temple...Passover was kept in the home, the lambs wastaken to the temple slaughtered and brought home.. From the time they eft Egpyt there were a mixed mulititude with them that traveled and became a part... You assume much about things you do not know...Sukkot was the building of a booth and you stayed there the pentacost as was discussed, was kept in the home by staying up all night reading the Word...You know many things about scripture, but almost nothing about the feasts as you say, you do not believed you are required to keep them, perhpas you are not.. as a Jew, I am told to keep them trhoughout my generations in one place is says to keep Sabbath forever... Christ himself said he did not come to cahnge a dot or a tittle of the law...Epo I have tried to be kind I have tried to do everything I can to make peace with you personally.... I ask you again..please discontinue, I disagree iwth you and you disagree with me...it does not mean we must hate or act hatefully... I am concerned for you as I have stated...as I am for some great teachers I know who do things contrary to the word, such as keep Christmas and put up a tree.. its the way you say you are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong..I believe Paul was taken to the future as John was and the mystery he learned came form that...I will gove you scripture, but am in so much pain in my hands from all this typing it wil have to wait...but I will...I think the teacher agrees with you about the feasts tho he keeps a form of passover that is the only one. I do not keep any feasts not prescribed in the word..If Christ had desired us to stop them I beleve he would have said so...was this not an attack? you said last week:I mean, obviously YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF EMOTIONAL PROBLEM, PERHAPS YOU SHOULD GOTO THE DOCTOR AND GET SOME ADVICE ABOUT THOSE EMOTIONS YOU FEEL SO FREE TO DISTRIBUTEAS to date, YOU have yet to quote me on any problem you feel I bring to bear concerning the Scriptures.That says much about you. As for me, I simply wish to study the Scriptures. Sorry if that is, apparently, too much for you to handle, but that is not my fault.
No, it was not an 'attack', it was an observation, clearly indicated by the word 'obviously'.Reverting to topic ~ You write, ""If Christ had desired us to stop them I believe he would have said so"" I don't know who 'us' might be, nevertheless, Christ did say so, He said, go not unto the way of the gentiles, but even so, why would He stop something that never started? You assume something started, but is it by verse and text, or something you heard someone at the pulpit say?Yes, I am aware that they did build booths. To my knowledge so far, Gentiles did not and were not welcome members of Israel's Holy Feasts. Do you have verses to say different? There were three mandatory annual feasts. The feasts were not only lawfully given exclusively to Israel, but being under law, it required the Hebrew people to travel, from whichever country they had been scattered abroad unto, to Jerusalem for them. Peter names them in Acts 2, their number being 13 countries of travel. That was the purpose of the temporary tabernacle of the wilderness to be brought and built in earthly Jerusalem. It not only signified the calling of Israel out from all nations of the earth to approach the concept of true holiness and be a channel of blessing to the nations, and not only was it to foreshadow literal events they were to recognize, but it echoes their isodus (into) remembrance where they were brought unto bondage, which they were led out (exodus). And when the 40' high (Mat 27:51) "veil of the temple was rent" it signified that all Israel were to press forward into the 'at hand' kingdom of God (Luk 16:16), not just the high priest (because the high priest {Christ} had died {Heb. 9} and they were set free). Do we find verses saying how gentiles began making that trek each year? Not so far as I m yet aware, but please post them so I can study them. Historically speaking, one of the ways in which Paul was 'throughly furnished', is that Paul was a Roman citizen; the reason of import is because in the Roman empire you couldn't just walk around and travel freely. Gentiles were not free to walk about and travel. That was the purpose of the empire wide tax, to bring all people back to whereever they had been, and monitor them.But they didn't want to bother with the Jews (synagogue) things. The Jews things and ways were too foreign and it was well established that the Jews would die for their beliefs. The Romans didn't mind a good fight, but they were more interested in control and order proper, so they permitted the Jews to travel back to Jerusalem during these occasions. The Jews had to ask Cesar for permission for most everything, like trying the Christ and the others crucified with Him. Apparently, by Acts 7, the Romans had had enough of the Jewish 'way', and allowed them to stone their own people without the court of Cesar. Clearly though, long after Acts 2, Peter says it is unlawful for him to speak to a non Jew (Act 10:28). If gentiles were present a mere 50 days after Passover, Peter, who had his eyes supernaturally opened (Luk 24:45)by the risen Lord didn't know anything about it, and never addressed them. Many years later, Peter still thinks it is unlawful (Act 10:28), whereas if the feast had been transferred or enjoined to non Jews, it would have been an occasion to rejoice that another gentile had come to the Lord. As far forward as Romans, it is still, to the Jew first.Indeed, although they were told to be representative as one body of Jew and gentile (being the ownership of Christ {2 Cor 5:10}), they were not co equals (Gal 2:7; Rom 1:16, Rom 2:9-10) while the middle wall of partition still stood (Eph 2:11-14). All the differences were recognized, and there is no Biblical record of any apostles speaking to a non Jew other than Paul, except for that one occasion where Peter spoke to the family of Cornelius. In fact, gentile conversion was so far removed from the Hebrew mind, that even Peter had no idea of why he was to speak to this non Jew (Act 10:21).You quoted James, to the 12 tribes scattered abroad, well, that is the same people Peter writes to, not gentiles, thus ~1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout "strangers"G3927παρεπίδημοςparepidēmospar-ep-id'-ay-mosFrom G3844 and the base of G1927; an alien alongside, that is, a resident foreigner: - pilgrim, stranger."scattered throughout" G1290διασποράdiasporadee-as-por-ah'From G1289; dispersion, that is, (specifically and concretely) the (converted) Israelites resident in Gentile countries: - (which are) scattered (abroad).Act 21:29- proves unequivocally what the situation would have been like if gentiles were permitted at the Jewish feasts, or in the synagogues, namely, it would have caused a riot (vv. 31 uproar). As far as your hands are concerned, have you tried something like dragon natural speech, an inexpensive voice recognition software utility?
""in one place is says to keep Sabbath forever""please look up the word 'forever', as it can be discovered that God does not burden our minds with Webster's definition of eternity, and that the word means, as found in Scripture, 'age time', or, 'age abiding'.You can find this HEREDr. Bullinger writes that the Scriptures really are limited, "and that bydivine appointment. There are lines of truth which enter the sacredrecord in Genesis which commenced a long way back before the record ofGenesis begins. When we read that Satan abode not in the truth, we havea statement which we believe, but we are all only too conscious thatthe revelation is also exceedingly limited. We do not know anything ofSatan's sin or circumstances; if it had been necessary and right for usto have known, the Lord could have given us a most graphic and detailedaccount. Ezek. xxviii. 17 suggests that by pride he fell. The lessonis clear, but details which would minister to our curiosity arewithheld. When the risen Lord spoke His wondrous words to thedisciples, as recorded in Luke xxiv., we read that He began at Mosesand the Prophets (verse 27). He could have begun much earlier. Hecould have told of the time when Satan fell, and even have givendefinite instructions regarding the many problems upon which the mindsof men have speculated for all time. He could have settled in a fewwords the problem of the introduction, permission and purpose of evil. We are not told that He did any such thing, but "beginning at Moses andall the Prophets, He expounded (or interpreted) unto them in all theScriptures the things concerning Himself."The Bible is entirely taken up with the purpose ofthe ages. Even then we have to see that the Bible largely passes overmuch that we would like to know within the limits even of the ages, andfocuses our attention first upon the chosen people of Israel, and for ashort space upon the church of the present dispensation. Its object isnot so much to explain all to us, but to guide us during this ourpilgrimage with the happy knowledge that in resurrection glory we shallhave time and opportunity to become acquainted with the widerrevelation of God's purposes and ways.Let us not attempt to force back the roll beyond the appointed limits. Let us be content to say of some things that we do not know, becauseGod has not told us. We shall be more pleasing to Him by so doing,than if we take the responsibility upon ourselves of completing therevelation which He has purposely left unfinished. Once more we wouldremark that in all that we have said we desire it to be understood thatwe are not questioning or doubting God's Holy Word, but rather bowbefore His sovereignty, acknowledging with grateful love the absoluteinspiration of all that He *has* revealed, and acknowledging equallythe sovereign wisdom that lies behind the withholding of much that wemight have expected to be written.Let us keep close to what is written. Let us be content with what God*has* said, and if some lines of truth *appear* to conflict, let us notattempt to reconcile them, for the very attempt savours of unbelief,but let us be assured that when we see the complete purpose unfolded,all will be perfect and harmonious, and transcend the highest flight ofour present imaginations".
Well I don't know one way or the other if they were in the temple I'm sure there but come on they the Hebrews had been celebrating the feasts for thousands of years in the wildrness I'm sure they had prayer gatherings that were not in the temple besides many of the feasts are held at home you don't have to go to the temple to celebrate a feast day. Guess you would have to research the Judaizers to get more info but to base your opinion on whether or not they were allowed in the temple is folly
The study I gave was based on Bullinger KJV and Strongs concordance And I stand by it because as I said you are making assumtions based on your understaning of Temple law not reality
Let's see what the Bible has to say about the idea of non Jews being in the temple ~The time frame is mid to late AD 50, and there is every reason to believe that this would have been the response if gentiles had been present in the temple worship at some earlier time ~Act 21:28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place. Act 21:29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.) Act 21:30 And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut. Act 21:31 And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.The lawful place where the gentiles were already believing and standing outside of, is called the middle wall of partition, and the enmity of Ephesians 2:15 which had been abolished, and which was symbolized by the middle wall of partition, was not a middle wall between the believer and his God, the veil in the temple symbolized that, but a middle wall that separated believers who were Gentiles from believers who were Jews, the enmity being the fruit, not of sin, but of "the law of commandments contained in ordinances". Josephus says: "...there was a PARTITION made of stone all round, whose height was three cubits; its construction was very elegant. Upon it stood pillars, at equal distances from one another . . . some in Greek and some in Roman letters, that no foreigner should go within that sanctuary" (Josephus, Wars, v. 5.2).To quote Crabb, "that which appears good and right to one", was actually used in Acts fifteen. The council that met at Jerusalem was convened to decide what measures could be taken to solve the problems that arose out of the coming into the church of Gentiles whose whole upbringing, feeding and habits, rendered them obnoxious to their Jewish fellows, and to quote this time from the ordinance itself given in Acts fifteen, "it seemed good unto us, being assemblied . . . to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things" (Acts 15:25-28). While there were four items of conduct prescribed for the Gentiles, the added comment "for Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him" (Acts 15:21) suggests that the Jewish believer would continue to observe the full ceremonial law. This difference between the two companies of believers set up in effect a middle wall of partition making membership of "one body" during the Acts impossible. It is this "decree" which is the ordinance referred to in Ephesians 2:15. This has now been abolished.C. Welch writes, this word, "abolished", translates the Greek katargeo which means rather "to render inoperative", as can be seen in such passages as Romans 7:2 "loosed from the law"; "done away" (2 Cor. 3:7,11,13,14) and "to make of none effect" (Gal. 3:17, 5:4). The temporary measures introduced by the Council at Jerusalem were abrogated when the truth for the present dispensation was revealed and this abrogation was seen to have been accomplished, even as access into the true tabernacle had been accomplished by the death of Christ. Instead of this divided company of believers where the Jew was first, where the Gentile was but a wild olive graft contrary to nature, we have the creation of the two, in Himself, of one new man. In this new company neither Jew nor Gentile as such can be discovered; the Church of the One Body is not something carried over from earlier days, remodelled and reconstituted in order to give the Gentile a better place in it.It is a new creation, and creation is the word used of this present calling.P.S., C. Welch (1880-1967) traveled, trained, and taught with Dr. Bullinger, later founding The Church of the Open Book in England, writing the publication, The Berian Expositor.The Acts Of The Apostles is a good downloadable (pfd) read by a fellow-servant, STUART ALLEN
What difference does that make you don't know they were not being taught this outside the temple. You are argueing that you know they had to be in the temple to practice the feasts and you can't know that.You are basing your whole argument on this fact that you don't know to be true.
heres your answer they were not teaching most likely teaching in the temple because these Jews had accepted a type of christianityThe Judaizers were a Christian sect still adhering to the Jewish Law, they came from converted Pharisees. Unwilling to see Judaism die out the Judaizers adopted a legalistic idea of salvation. They insisted that no non-Jews could be saved without submitting to circumcision and observing the Law of Moses. It was the more zealous of the Judaizers who stirred trouble in Antioch and the new churches of Galatia. Here, on their home grounds, they would be more outspoken and forceful in their demands. The conference was headed for a showdown on the question: can Gentiles be saved without becoming Jews? The legalistic parallel of the Judaizers can be seen in many churches today. [291]From their prespective they were fighting for the very survial of Jewish customs they probablly didn't care about the teaching in the temple as much as hanging on to thier tratitions.
''What difference does that make you don't know they were not being taught this outside the temple.''Actually I do know, and have made the appropriate quotes. Who can show me where Paul taught even one gentile who wasn't already standing outside the middle wall of partition? Is there even one occurrence in the Bible? Being that they were not allowed in the temple, and Paul NEVER taught where there was no temple, the Scripture is strong regarding where they were taught, and that is that they were already standing outside the middle wall of partition, waiting for the Jew to hear first, then the Greek.Cor. letters are a wonderful example of it being to the Jew first, as there is an obvious turn in the letters, first to the Jew, then to the Greek, then some words to the Jew, then more to the Greek, then to the Jew, and then to the Greek. Once this is pointed out, it is quite easy to see that literally, it was to the Jew first.I never thought of that before, but I think you are correct. I always had it in the back of my mind that the Judaizers were unbelivers, but I believe you are correct about that. I do also think that there were those who were like Paul before his conversion, persecuting the church meetings held in their synagogues, and not part of that 3k first baptized at Pentecost. There were millions of Hebrews from every nation present at that feast. Probably some mixture, nevertheless, all the city was in uproar at the statement that Paul had brought a non Jew into the synagogue.
okay epo you observe al things properky I am a fook, kriss toto adnoucnt how many more...I do really give up if God desires me to try andy more with you He iwll have to change you.. I am broekn by your cold heartless way and tone your obersvations of my sanity ...there is nothing you can learn from anyone you know it all... I conceed
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