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James 3:6 KJV
[6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
Is Satan a real entity or a metaphor for evil?
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[6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
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So then while each of us remains in any measure double minded when we quench the Spirit of the new man, the old man directs the tongue defiling the body and causing us to burn with the lusts of the eyes and the flesh. That is hell indeed and remains until and if we look to God asking that He help us to cease with the quenching. Heaven is then our choice, the abode of God?
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How many have got onto you about such a belief? [No, don't answer that. I am not getting onto you about it.]
That would mean we were murderers from the beginning [John 8:44] having indeed murdered our very selves. But then God having His plan for a more abundant Life sent Jesus to us [John 10:10].
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Satan deceives all who are heading for Hell fire.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (NKJV)
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, ...
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (NKJV)
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, ...
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I believe to seek the world and the praise of men..... this is Satan.
This in my opinion is what He was tempted of.
yet He humbled Himself, and became a servant. Then God glorified Him.
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Hello @Cristo Rei & Co.,
Those of us who are trusting in God's Word concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, are walking in the light of the presence of God, in Christ Jesus. It is our purpose to honour Him, and to glorify His Name. We therefore believe God's word, and that includes what is written concerning Satan.
In Jude 1:8-11 we are told that even Michael the Archangel, when in dispute with the devil, dare not accuse him directly, but said, 'The Lord rebuke thee'. For the devil is a dignity and has dominion in the spiritual realm. It is for God Himself to rebuke him, and certainly not for us to conjecture about him in this way; speak lightly, or in a derisory way. What God has caused to be written concerning him is truth: it is written for our learning; for us to receive and believe, not for vain disputation.
'Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh,
despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Yet Michael the archangel,
when contending with the devil
he disputed about the body of Moses,
durst not bring against him a railing accusation,
but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
But these speak evil of those things which they know not:
but what they know naturally, as brute beasts,
in those things they corrupt themselves.'
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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lots of verses but do they not go with the topic, also concerning the wilderness?
Isaiah 14:12 Lexicon: "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!
Isaiah 14:13 Lexicon: "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north.
Isaiah 14:14 Lexicon: 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'
Isaiah 14:15 Lexicon: "Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, To the recesses of the pit.
Isaiah 14:16 Lexicon: "Those who see you will gaze at you, They will ponder over you, saying, 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms,
Isaiah 14:17 Lexicon: Who made the world like a wilderness And overthrew its cities, Who did not allow his prisoners to go home?'
Isaiah 14:18 Lexicon: "All the kings of the nations lie in glory, Each in his own tomb.
Isaiah 14:19 Lexicon: "But you have been cast out of your tomb Like a rejected branch, Clothed with the slain who are pierced with a sword, Who go down to the stones of the pit Like a trampled corpse.
Isaiah 14:20 Lexicon: "You will not be united with them in burial, Because you have ruined your country, You have slain your people. May the offspring of evildoers not be mentioned forever.
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Personally (and just an opinion) but ‘oh covering cherub’ that covers In the midst of the stones of fire ...He said He would destroy that covering cast over the nations. Again, an opinion but consider the veil ...in what was for their good in not seeing the end of what was to abolished and should have been for their good...is what blinds. However when a heart turns the veil is removed, taken away from the midst “destroyed” “abolished” and done away with in Christ.
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
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“When You said to seek your face; my heart said unto you, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.” You’ve quoted it before and always it stands out “my heart said unto you” yet I don’t understand because He says in Romans 3:11-12 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [12] They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
“When You said to seek your face; my heart said unto you, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.”
2 Corinthians 3:15-18 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. [17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. [18] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Isaiah 25:7-8 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. [8] He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth(that they may come near unto Him?): for the Lord hath spoken it.
1 Corinthians 15:54-55 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. [55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Ezekiel 37:13-14 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, [14] And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
He's real. Demons spoke as they were cast out of possessed people. They did not reply in a manner that may reflect the sentiments of the possessed, but rather in a way that revealed they were very cognizant of their surroundings, and even more so, of their not immediate surroundings.
Paraphrase.
'Jesus, have you come to torment us before our time, allow us to be cast into the herd of swine'
Seven sons of Sceva attempt to exorcise demons - 'Paul we know, Jesus we know, but who are you?'
Yes, "none that understandeth"! That is where carnal man is. Every person born of woman is carnal. God told David to seek His face. Jesus told us to seek first His Kingdom and His righteousness. What can we see or understand? Paul writes that we, including Paul himself, do not see clearly but the "face to face" is to be "then". Too many people want to have all of the answers now, but that is not God's Way, is it? He chose for us the Way of faith. Seek what He told us to seek even when there are likely other answers we would like to have now...Patience!
"But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint." Isaiah 40:31
Consider where Moses himself was when he smote the rock instead of speaking to it. For that he was excluded from the Promised Land. Yet this same Moses approached so closely to God that a vail over his face was necessary for the people to look at the man.
What is absolute darkness and what is the seven fold Light of God? Where were the children of Israel who could not look at Moses' face? Where was Moses? Where are we?
What is the final Promise?
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2
What kind of vision will we have if we really become so like Him that we are able to see Him as He is?
Some people will simply perish:
"Where there is no vision, the people perish:..." Prov 29:18
To Way to that "face to face" is via the Spirit which swallows up our death and brings us from corruptible to incorruptible and allows us to live in a place not merely on loan to us as stewards but as owners who have already inherited. Are many of us in graves now never really having seen His face clearly yet? Impossible for man, but for God in us? Don't quench the Holy Spirit in us but allow the Holy Spirit to quicken us and to see His face and to hear His voice...
Give God the glory!
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A great deal of the Bible is metaphorical and is not imo supposed to be any kind of literal interpretation. The misunderstanding of which leads many astray and leads them to compartmentalise and sweep under the carpet the many contradictions and problems that come form attempting to take much Bible text as literal truth. Much of the works are metaphorical, allegorical and cryptic. For example much of Genesis is not actually talking about the creation of the world/universe, it is allegorically talking about something completely different.
The real spiritual search begins when we have the courage to realise that our tradition literal interpretation of the Bible has been incorrect imo.
I don't believe that it's is accurate to say 'a great deal' of the Bible is metaphorical. For, typically where pericopes are intended to be not taken as literal, the majority of the time it stipulates the narration as such. Jesus' parables were either preceded with the clause that he was speaking in parables, or asserted afterwards that they were. Equally Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah stated clearly that what they received were visions, both Joseph and Daniel also expressed their oracles as dreams or illusions inspired from God.
In other words, we shouldn't make our hermeneutics subjective - we decide for ourselves what is to interpreted as allegorical, hyperbole, anthropomorphism, metaphorical, etc... Unless otherwise stipulated by the Bible, or when we enter into the bizarre*, we should always take a literal stance on exegeting Scripture.
*Bizarre meaning, for example, when Jesus says to severe your body parts if they offend you, or when he exhorts us to eat his flesh and blood, or that we are to be born-again. Wisdom should allow us to make this differentiation, for again, one is prompted by the radical nature of things being spoken of.
Genesis is literal, for other parts of the Bible confirm its veracity. I believe that God created things old, Adam was neither a fetus nor an embryo, nor was Eve, neither were that animals that God made. It takes two to germinate life, there also must be other pre-existing sources of life and nutrition, in order to sustain these living creatures. Therefore, God had to start somewhere, and it demands that He did so by beginning with mature creatures and life.
Exodus 20:9-11
20:9. "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10. but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11. "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
Luke 13:14-14
13:14. But the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the crowd in response, "There are six days in which work should be done; so come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day."
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Waiting on him
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Hi Charity, where could I find the Old Testament scripture where Michael and the devil are in dispute over Moses’s body?
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Hi John, what if in the 27 psalm what we are reading is Jesus speaking to the Lord?
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