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My posts were not personal until you got personal with everyone. Yes, I can be judgmental at times. Rebuke is good and needed. Iron sharpens iron.
Go back and read your comments, insults and mockery. The honest person judges himself, admits his flaws and the Holy Spirit convicts us as well. We feel guilt BECAUSE WE ARE GUILTY. If this conviction escapes you and you have not yet approached the Lord in godly sorrow then you will not change. God changes us by His Word - if you are humble. Pride is what keeps us from spiritual growth.
The only fruit that interests you is scripture? I don't think of His Word as fruit. Jesus is the vine, we are the branches. Fruit grows from the branches - qualities and attributes of Jesus. What do you think the Holy Spirit produces in the Christian? Fruit. SO YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR SPIRITUAL GROWTH? If you can honestly look in the mirror and ask yourself if you have the fruit of the Spirit, as in
(Gal. 5:22-23), what you lack, what you need work on, what areas you've seen improvement in, you will be doing yourself and everyone else a favor. We are all works in progress, which is sanctification btw. Sure people are hypocrites at times and words are empty but your words expressed an attitude, a mean spirit.
I remember hearing Chuck Swindol teach about that. He said attitude was everything. You can memorize the Bible and not discern the meaning and not be saved, have a poor attitude and do all sorts of evil. David Koresh comes to mind, some say He memorized the Bible. He had bad fruit and led many astray - into the flames!
Read.
Enjoyed your sermon? Nice.
But I'm not here for a sermon - not from anyone.
This discussion has a heading. I'm here for that.
You gave a sermon without mentioning the subject once; just went on with your pedantics.

The Last Week (sequence to day and hour)
Palm-Sunday : Entrance into Jerusalem : 5 days before Abib 15 is Abib 10
“Tenth day of the First Month” Exodus 12:3 Ezekiel 40:1 “Bone Day”
John 12:12-19 “the next day” (32)
= Mark 11:1-11 Bethania; entered Jerusalem; entered temple; late unto Bethany (33)
= Matthew 21:1-11 Bethphage; Jerusalem in (36)
= Luke 19:28-44 Bethphage and Bethany; into Jerusalem (38)

Last Week: Monday : 4 days before Abib 15 is Abib 11
Mark 11:12-14 “the morrow Bethany ... fig tree” (41)
= Luke 21:29-33 “behold the fig tree” (41)
Mark 11:15-17 “into temple”; “cast out them that sold”; “moneychangers”; “house of prayer” (42)
= Matthew 21:12-14 “into the temple ... cast out them that sold” (43)
= Luke 19:45,46 “into the temple ... cast out them that sold ... house of prayer” (43)
= Matthew 21:15-17 “children in the temple” (44)
= John 12:20-26 “Greeks … corn of wheat … for this cause I came”: 27 (44)
Mark 11:18 “sought how they might destroy him” (45)
= Luke 19:47,48 “sought to destroy him” (46)
Mark 11:19 “late ... he went out of the city” (46)
= Matthew 21:17 “out of the city into Bethany ... slept in sheepfold” (46)

Last Week: Tuesday : TEACHING 3 days before (Friday) Abib 15 is Abib 12
Mark 11:20 “early ... fig tree dried up” (47)
= Matthew 21:18-22; 45,46 “in the morning ... fig tree” cursed and “immediately dried up” (47)
Mark 11:27,28 “in Jerusalem in temple ... by what authority” (48)
= Matthew 21:23-25 “in temple ... what authority” (49)
= Luke 20:1-8 “one of Those Days ... what authority” (50)
Mark 12:35-37 “Jesus in the temple ... Dawid” (51)
= Matthew 22:23; 41-46 “the Same Day” (52)
= Matthew 24:1-3 “out of tempel … not be left one stone … on Mount of Olives disciples came privately” (53)
= Matthew 26:1-2 “after two day ... crucified” (53)
= John 12:27-36 “this hour ... if I be lifted up from the earth” (54)
= Luke 21:34-38 “on One of Those Days ... Watch that That Day come not upon you unawares” (56)

Last Week: Wednesday : 2 days before (Friday) Abib 15 is Abib 13
Mark 14:1,2 “after two days was the unleavened (days)”“sought how might take him ... not on feast” (57)
= Matthew 26:3-5 “consulted that they might take Jesus ... not on feast” (57)
= Luke 22:1,2 “feast drew near ... sought how” (58)
Mark 14:3-9 “house of Simon .. spikenard on head” (58)
= Matteus 26:6-13 “house of Simon .. spikenard on head” (59)
Mark 14:10,11 “Judas to priests ... promised him money” (61)
= Matthew 26:14-16 “Judas to priests ... covenanted thirty pieces silver” (61)
= Luke 22:3-6 “satan in Judas ... communed with priests ... covenanted money” (61)
= John 12:37-50 “he that rejecteth me ... receiveth not my words” (62)


B) Three days : "the first day"
Last Week: Thursday Abib 14 was 1 day “before” (Friday) Abib 15 (69)
2Chronicles 35:4,6,10,14 “prepared passover … killed the passover
= Exodus 12:15a “when they removed leaven”
= Leviticus 23:22,10 “when ye reap the corners ... bring the first sheaf”
Mark 14:12—15:41 “when they always killed the passover”
= Luke 22:7—23:49 “when they had to kill the passover”
= Mark 14:2 “not on the feast”
= Matthew 26:5 “not on the feast”
= John 19:14-30 “The Preparation of the Passover”
= Matthew 26:17—27:56 “the first day leaven was removed / the first day without leaven”
= John 12:32,34; 8:28 “the Son of Man must be lifted up”
= John 13:1—19:30 “before the feast ... his hour ... it was night ...”
= 1Corinthians 11:23 "The night in which the Lord was betrayed"
= John 16:32 “the hour ... ye shall be scattered every man”

Three daysthe second of :
= “the first day seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread” Exodus 12:15b; 12:18b Leviticus 23:6
= Last Week: Friday : Feast Day Sabbath of Passover was “Abib 15” (Friday)
Exodus 12:15,17,18,42,51
Mark 15:42-47 “having been evening already … since The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath having begun”
= John 19:31-42 “since the Preparation had begun ... because That Day was great-day-sabbath (of passover)”
= Matthew 27:57-61
= Luke 23:50-56a

Which was "the third day"?

Remember, David Koresh believed identically what you believe, not what I believe. He believed - I actually do not know a thing about David Koresh whom you seem to be WELL ACQUAINTED with - he believed AS YOU do, Crucifixion and Burial on the same day!
 

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People then get creative and define "heart of the earth" as beginning, say, in the garden or at his trial, or maybe even the last supper. Do that and we can make Jesus in the grave any time we want, i.e one comes up with their premise and belief first, and then fits the scriptures to support it.
No sense in this, your, <creative definition for "heart of the earth"> Jesus defined “the hour” :
Matthew 26:17—27:56 “the first day leaven was removed / the first day without leaven
= John 12:32,34; 8:28 “the Son of Man must be lifted up”
= John 13:1—19:30 “before the feast ... his hour ... it was night ...”
= 1Corinthians 11:23 "The night in which the Lord was betrayed"
= John 16:32 “the hour ... ye shall be scattered every man”

Matthew 22:14, 53 John 12:23, 27; 13:1; 17:1
 
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Bring that Scripture! FIRST!

Sure.
Matthew 27:57, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54-56, John 19: 39-42 which is where I and everyone else, get the idea that he was interred the time the sun was going down, because the (high) Sabbath was starting soon (John 19:31).
 

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No sense in this, your, <creative definition for "heart of the earth"> Jesus defined “the hour” :
Matthew 26:17—27:56 “the first day leaven was removed / the first day without leaven
= John 12:32,34; 8:28 “the Son of Man must be lifted up”
= John 13:1—19:30 “before the feast ... his hour ... it was night ...”
= 1Corinthians 11:23 "The night in which the Lord was betrayed"
= John 16:32 “the hour ... ye shall be scattered every man”

Not sure what you are saying here, but the hour Jesus defined we know by the context of that passage. If he asked about 12 hours in the day, then he's defining that kind of hour from the way they told time (because there were 12 hours in a day). It's not about hours; as I pointed out he was talking about sunrise and sunset by mentioning the hours. In every day speech we use the word "hour" differently, but the way we mean it is by the context and it is not logical to assume that the same definition applies for all.
 

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Sure.
Matthew 27:57, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54-56, John 19: 39-42 which is where I and everyone else, get the idea that he was interred the time the sun was going down, because the (high) Sabbath was starting soon (John 19:31).

The only thing <sure> here, is, that you follow the mid-20th century first time ever CORRUPTION of the NIV with the CLEAR INTENTION TO DODGE the exact words the KJV translated these texts with.
<<Luke 23:54-56>> - Friday afternoon - DON'T FIT with Matthew 27:57, Mark 15:42 John 19: 31-39-40 Luke 23 verse 50 - Friday NIGHT beginning the Preparation; Luke 23 verse 54-56a and John 19:41,42 fit the ENDING of the Preparation Friday after mid-afternoon.

<<Luke 23:54-56 John 19:41,42>> is <<the time the sun was going down>>: "towards the Sabbath" says Luke, which "the women started to rest" from 56B on.
In Matthew 27:57, Mark 15:42, John 19:31-39-40 and Luke 23:50 <the time> was -- is, unmistakably stipulated, "WHEN EVENING HAD ALREADY COME .. THAT NIGHT" which BEGAN THE SECOND OF THE "THREE DAYS THICK IMPENETRABLE DARKNESS" OF JESUS' PASSOVER EXODUS.
 
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the sun was going down, because the (high) Sabbath was starting soon (John 19:31).

Completely surmised, nothing factual, nothing SCRIPTURE.
John 19:31,38,39 are the parallel to Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50. The sun WAS DOWN / UNDER "when it was EVENING ALREADY .. WHEN JOSEPH CAME .." on the scene and STARTED to undertake "TO bury according to the Custom / LAW of the Jews to bury" Exodus 12 Leviticus 23.
 

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The fact that people disagree over this day of the week is proof there's no solid evidence that he was crucified on a Friday. The point is that he did rise again and it was three days later according to the bible. From what the bible says, as I have shown, we can deduce the day of the week. Friday is the tradition of men. Earliest Christians merely celebrated Passover to remember Jesus by.

Friday is clearly indicated as from its "evening BEGINNING" until its "mid-afternoon" ENDING from beginning to ending occupied with the BURYING of the body of Jesus by primarily Joseph.

From this, <<we can deduce the day of the week>> BEFORE Friday was the Fifth Day of the week that they CRUCIFIED the Lord; as well as that "the third day" was "the day after the Preparation (Friday) .. the Sabbath before the First Day of the week" that "God raised Christ the third day according to the - PASSOVER - Scriptures" :: ALL WHICH STANDS WRITTEN THERE FOR ANYONE TO READ, WOULD HE WISH TO READ.

My God, help us, have mercy on us, forgive us our HEADSTRONGNESS, our WORSHIPPING TRADITION.
 

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Now, if he's in the tomb 72 full hours, he'd have to arise 72 hours later. That means the resurrection occurred at sunset as Sunday was dawning (beginning) the same time of the day he was buried. So if we count back three calendar days from the start of Sunday, we come to Thursday. The start of Thursday is when he was in the tomb (as he arose by the start of Sunday). He was crucified Wednesday, and that was the 14th of Nisan to fulfill the Passover type (when the lambs were being slain), interred for the start of Unleavened Bread Sabbath (John 19:31) being the sinless Son of God represented by such, and arose 3 days later to fulfill the feast of Firstfruits which came on a Sunday during Passover week (not all Jews, though, some observed it Nisan 16 but some on the Sunday).

Please do not expect anyone to comprehend your planetary weekdays ending and starting Biblical sunset to sunset days. It is absolutely confusing.
 

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I was just having this discussion earlier today. How could have Jesus rose again three days later when He supposedly died on Friday and rose again Sunday morning? I also hear speculation that it was also after 3 pm but I'm not sure where people have gotten that part since it's not in the Bible. I also heard that it was part of Jewish tradition that a soul stayed with a body until the third day so I get the significance of why Jesus would choose to rise again three days later,.. but I don't really think that it was three days though. :confused: (Not like it's that important of when He rose just the fact that He did, but with Easter right around the corner this thought came up in my mind.)

Just so that everyone knows what I stated and supported with scripture, here is a picture that states 1000 words I attached. I quoted your post April Rose, since you initiated this thread.
 

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Well then perhaps you may want to enlighten all of us what the scriptures say that the chart is incorrect. Or to put it another way, tell us what the chart should look like.

Telling me just what you think of Scripture shown HERE, over and over -- NOT what you think of ME! You despise Scripture - THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG, RIGHT THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION.

That whole chart of yours is yours and your prophet Armstrong's nightmare INSPIRATIONS.
 

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Read.
Enjoyed your sermon? Nice.
But I'm not here for a sermon - not from anyone.
This discussion has a heading. I'm here for that.
You gave a sermon without mentioning the subject once; just went on with your pedantics.

The Last Week (sequence to day and hour)
Palm-Sunday : Entrance into Jerusalem : 5 days before Abib 15 is Abib 10
“Tenth day of the First Month” Exodus 12:3 Ezekiel 40:1 “Bone Day”
John 12:12-19 “the next day” (32)
= Mark 11:1-11 Bethania; entered Jerusalem; entered temple; late unto Bethany (33)
= Matthew 21:1-11 Bethphage; Jerusalem in (36)
= Luke 19:28-44 Bethphage and Bethany; into Jerusalem (38)

Last Week: Monday : 4 days before Abib 15 is Abib 11
Mark 11:12-14 “the morrow Bethany ... fig tree” (41)
= Luke 21:29-33 “behold the fig tree” (41)
Mark 11:15-17 “into temple”; “cast out them that sold”; “moneychangers”; “house of prayer” (42)
= Matthew 21:12-14 “into the temple ... cast out them that sold” (43)
= Luke 19:45,46 “into the temple ... cast out them that sold ... house of prayer” (43)
= Matthew 21:15-17 “children in the temple” (44)
= John 12:20-26 “Greeks … corn of wheat … for this cause I came”: 27 (44)
Mark 11:18 “sought how they might destroy him” (45)
= Luke 19:47,48 “sought to destroy him” (46)
Mark 11:19 “late ... he went out of the city” (46)
= Matthew 21:17 “out of the city into Bethany ... slept in sheepfold” (46)

Last Week: Tuesday : TEACHING 3 days before (Friday) Abib 15 is Abib 12
Mark 11:20 “early ... fig tree dried up” (47)
= Matthew 21:18-22; 45,46 “in the morning ... fig tree” cursed and “immediately dried up” (47)
Mark 11:27,28 “in Jerusalem in temple ... by what authority” (48)
= Matthew 21:23-25 “in temple ... what authority” (49)
= Luke 20:1-8 “one of Those Days ... what authority” (50)
Mark 12:35-37 “Jesus in the temple ... Dawid” (51)
= Matthew 22:23; 41-46 “the Same Day” (52)
= Matthew 24:1-3 “out of tempel … not be left one stone … on Mount of Olives disciples came privately” (53)
= Matthew 26:1-2 “after two day ... crucified” (53)
= John 12:27-36 “this hour ... if I be lifted up from the earth” (54)
= Luke 21:34-38 “on One of Those Days ... Watch that That Day come not upon you unawares” (56)

Last Week: Wednesday : 2 days before (Friday) Abib 15 is Abib 13
Mark 14:1,2 “after two days was the unleavened (days)”“sought how might take him ... not on feast” (57)
= Matthew 26:3-5 “consulted that they might take Jesus ... not on feast” (57)
= Luke 22:1,2 “feast drew near ... sought how” (58)
Mark 14:3-9 “house of Simon .. spikenard on head” (58)
= Matteus 26:6-13 “house of Simon .. spikenard on head” (59)
Mark 14:10,11 “Judas to priests ... promised him money” (61)
= Matthew 26:14-16 “Judas to priests ... covenanted thirty pieces silver” (61)
= Luke 22:3-6 “satan in Judas ... communed with priests ... covenanted money” (61)
= John 12:37-50 “he that rejecteth me ... receiveth not my words” (62)


B) Three days : "the first day"
Last Week
: Thursday Abib 14
was 1 day “before” (Friday) Abib 15 (69)
2Chronicles 35:4,6,10,14 “prepared passover … killed the passover
= Exodus 12:15a “when they removed leaven”
= Leviticus 23:22,10 “when ye reap the corners ... bring the first sheaf”
Mark 14:12—15:41 “when they always killed the passover”
= Luke 22:7—23:49 “when they had to kill the passover”
= Mark 14:2 “not on the feast”
= Matthew 26:5 “not on the feast”
= John 19:14-30 “The Preparation of the Passover”
= Matthew 26:17—27:56 “the first day leaven was removed / the first day without leaven”
= John 12:32,34; 8:28 “the Son of Man must be lifted up”
= John 13:1—19:30 “before the feast ... his hour ... it was night ...”
= 1Corinthians 11:23 "The night in which the Lord was betrayed"
= John 16:32 “the hour ... ye shall be scattered every man”

Three daysthe second of :
= “the first day seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread” Exodus 12:15b; 12:18b Leviticus 23:6
= Last Week: Friday : Feast Day Sabbath of Passover was “Abib 15” (Friday)
Exodus 12:15,17,18,42,51
Mark 15:42-47 “having been evening already … since The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath having begun”
= John 19:31-42 “since the Preparation had begun ... because That Day was great-day-sabbath (of passover)”
= Matthew 27:57-61
= Luke 23:50-56a

Which was "the third day"?

Remember, David Koresh believed identically what you believe, not what I believe. He believed - I actually do not know a thing about David Koresh whom you seem to be WELL ACQUAINTED with - he believed AS YOU do, Crucifixion and Burial on the same day!
I know the Passover in Moses day was a shadow of the death of Jesus, the lambs blood over the doorposts as it is over our hearts - protecting us from death; so I don't have a problem with it happening on Nisan 14 (in which the following day would be a Sabbath and 1st Day of Unleavened Bread), which t would account for 3 days and 3 nights.
But wait a minute, the lamb's blood had to be put over the doorposts BEFORE THE EVENING. So the angel of death passed over them at night. So are you saying Jesus died on the Passover or before it?
 

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with it happening on Nisan 14 (in which the following day would be a Sabbath and 1st Day of Unleavened Bread), which t would account for 3 days and 3 nights.

<<the following day>> was _a_ sabbath, says John 19:31,42 "because That Day -Abib 15- was great-day-of-sabbath-of" PASSOVER being <1st Day of Unleavened Bread> (the Sixth Day Friday Thursday “evening” beginning Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50) WHILE it "was the Preparation .. because of the Jews' preparation (Friday ending)" for the weekly Sabbath, cf., Luke 23:54 and 56b.
 
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<<the following day>> was _a_ sabbath, says John 19:31,42 "because That Day -Abib 15- was great-day-of-sabbath-of" PASSOVER being <1st Day of Unleavened Bread> (the Sixth Day Friday Thursday “evening” beginning Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50) WHILE it "was the Preparation .. because of the Jews' preparation (Friday ending)" for the weekly Sabbath, cf., Luke 23:54 and 56b.

So, you are going against the traditional view which claims that Jesus died on Friday.
From Wyckoff Bible Encyclopedia:
[Date. Christian scholarship generally accepts the traditional view that the day of the crucifixion was Friday because the day following was the sabbath (Mk 15:42; Lk 23:54; Jn 19:31), and because the women visited the tomb the next day after the sabbath, the first day of the week or Sunday (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1).]
If that Friday was Nisan 14, then the Year was 30 AD and the Passover was also on the Sabbath.

It seems plain and thay works for me and the rest of Christianity.


If what you are claiming is true then the only Passover date (Nisan 15) on a Friday would be in the year
34 AD.
I'll stick to the traditional view.
Thanm you for your time and effort.
 

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I know the Passover in Moses day was a shadow of the death of Jesus, the lambs blood over the doorposts as it is over our hearts - protecting us from death; so I don't have a problem with it happening on Nisan 14 (in which the following day would be a Sabbath and 1st Day of Unleavened Bread), which t would account for 3 days and 3 nights.
But wait a minute, the lamb's blood had to be put over the doorposts BEFORE THE EVENING. So the angel of death passed over them at night. So are you saying Jesus died on the Passover or before it?

Passover in Egypt with sunrise days :
"three days thick darkness" of the EXODUS = "Bone-Day" - 'etsem yom' --
DAY ONE sunrise day although darkness the whole day:
"the first day": "the fourteenth day of the First Month"
1) ROMOVE LEAVEN during night of 13th in Egypt a sunrise-day)
2) KILL lamb "mid-afternoon" of sunset day because GOD provided all day with light for Israel
3) BLOOD on door before night
4) STAY indoors until midnight
5) MOVE OUT morning after midnight

Passover in Promised Land with sunset days after institutionalisation :
1) ROMOVE LEAVEN during night of 14th in Israel a sunset-day
2) CUT harvest corners of land before sunrise of sunset day
3) BRING FIRST SHEAF to priest after sunrise of sunset day
4) KILL lamb "mid-afternoon" of sunset day
5) BLOOD on doors no longer observed - no more Egyptians

AFTER DAY LAMB WAS KILLED ON:
Passover
"ON THE FIFTEENTH"
- fore-shadowed Jesus' BURIALL

"EAT THAT NIGHT - NIGHT to be observed"
NOT EATEN "THAT NIGHT" AFTER JESUS' SACRIFICE! John 19:39
"Which remained (Jesus' body) the day after burn with fire" - but

JESUS the day after RESURRECTED!
 
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So, you are going against the traditional view which claims that Jesus died on Friday.
From Wyckoff Bible Encyclopedia:
[Date. Christian scholarship generally accepts the traditional view that the day of the crucifixion was Friday because the day following was the sabbath (Mk 15:42; Lk 23:54; Jn 19:31), and because the women visited the tomb the next day after the sabbath, the first day of the week or Sunday (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1).]
If that Friday was Nisan 14, then the Year was 30 AD and the Passover was also on the Sabbath.

It seems plain and thay works for me and the rest of Christianity.


If what you are claiming is true then the only Passover date (Nisan 15) on a Friday would be in the year
34 AD.
I'll stick to the traditional view.
Thanm you for your time and effort.

Re: <<the day of the crucifixion was Friday because the day following was the sabbath>>
Answer:
The fact the Sabbath follows Friday means nothing for what happened on the day before Friday nor for what happened on Friday nor for happened on the Sabbath.

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<<(Mk 15:42; Lk 23:54; Jn 19:31)>>
Answer: None of these Scriptures record the Crucifixion. <<Wyckoff Bible Encyclopedia>> FRAUDULENTLY refers to them in the same way ALL Encyclopaedia and stuff do. A shame for Christianity!

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<<the day of the crucifixion was Friday .. because the women visited the tomb the next day after the sabbath, the first day of the week or Sunday>>
Answer:
The same as above - The fact the Sabbath follows Friday means nothing for what happened on the day before Friday nor for what happened on Friday nor for happened on the Sabbath. The Crucifixion was NOT on Friday, encyclopaedia encyclicals whatever useless BAD scholarship with all.

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<<(Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1)>>
Answer:
<<Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1>> apply to the First Day after midnight -- not the Sixth Day, Friday after mid-day or to whenever. John 20:1 is "Being early of dark - dusk - still on the First Day of the week" after the Sabbath - not after Friday.

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<<If that Friday was Nisan 14, then the Year was 30 AD and the Passover was also on the Sabbath.>>
Answer:
So what? I believe Sola Scriptura.
In any case, that 'Friday' wasn't Nisan 14, it was Nisan 15.

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<<It seems plain and thay works for me and the rest of Christianity.>>
Answer:
It does not <seem plain>; it looks horrible and careless about Scripture the Word of God.

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<<If what you are claiming is true then the only Passover date (Nisan 15) on a Friday would be in the year 34 AD.>>
Answer:
Again, Scripture alone!

Thank you for your time and effort, but I'll stick to the Written Word of God..