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"""""But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.""""


If you are born again, then you are "delivered from the Law"....

And why?
Because the law is a curse to you, and Christ came to deal with it for you.

"Jesus has redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law".

And what is the curse?
The curse is that the law once had the power, or the "dominion of the Law" to JUDGE YOU....
And when it judged you, it found you GUILTY of being a SINNER.
It defined your conduct as morally AGAINST the Holiness and Righteousness of God.

This is why you were DAMNED.

But now, "Christ has REDEEMED us (the born again) from the curse of the Law.
We are now DELIVERED from the curse of Judgment and DOMINION of the Law.

WE, the born again, are now "UNDER GRACE".
This means we are removed from the Law's dominion.
It can no longer judge you or esteem you a "sinner", for Grace has become our dominion, and Grace proclaims us as "the righteousness of God" because through the BLood of Jesus we are "MADE RIGHTEOUS" and kept righteous for ETERNITY.

And this Righteousness of God that is now who we have become, "in Christ" has remade us Spiritually, redeemed us Eternally, and now all the born again are :

"As JESUS IS..........so ARE the Born again = IN THIS WORLD".

This is our "new Creation in Christ" eternal standing as God's Blood bought Redeemed.

We have "passed from death to LIFE". We are now in the world but not of the World.
We now eternally exist as "ONE with God", "translated from darkness TO Light".
And this LIGHT is God's Righteousness, and in fact we are BORN AGAIN = INTO God's Holy Spirit by God's Holy Spirit.

This is ALL the Born again, and once you are born again, you are always born again.
 

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In Romans 7:25 the Apostle Paul says:
"…So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin."

Believers are under the law of God, but no longer under the Mosaic Law.
 

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"""""But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.""""


If you are born again, then you are "delivered from the Law"....

And why?
Because the law is a curse to you, and Christ came to deal with it for you.

"Jesus has redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law".

And what is the curse?
The curse is that the law once had the power, or the "dominion of the Law" to JUDGE YOU....
And when it judged you, it found you GUILTY of being a SINNER.
It defined your conduct as morally AGAINST the Holiness and Righteousness of God.

This is why you were DAMNED.

But now, "Christ has REDEEMED us (the born again) from the curse of the Law.
We are now DELIVERED from the curse of Judgment and DOMINION of the Law.

WE, the born again, are now "UNDER GRACE".
This means we are removed from the Law's dominion.
It can no longer judge you or esteem you a "sinner", for Grace has become our dominion, and Grace proclaims us as "the righteousness of God" because through the BLood of Jesus we are "MADE RIGHTEOUS" and kept righteous for ETERNITY.

And this Righteousness of God that is now who we have become, "in Christ" has remade us Spiritually, redeemed us Eternally, and now all the born again are :

"As JESUS IS..........so ARE the Born again = IN THIS WORLD".

This is our "new Creation in Christ" eternal standing as God's Blood bought Redeemed.

We have "passed from death to LIFE". We are now in the world but not of the World.
We now eternally exist as "ONE with God", "translated from darkness TO Light".
And this LIGHT is God's Righteousness, and in fact we are BORN AGAIN = INTO God's Holy Spirit by God's Holy Spirit.

This is ALL the Born again, and once you are born again, you are always born again.
Right. So folk like crooked televangelists and big time Christian apologists and pastors etc who fleece their flocks , because they are born again right, can commit adultery, lie, steal, discredit the name of God, and yet not be a sinner because for them, there's no more law right?
 

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In Romans 7:25 the Apostle Paul says:
"…So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin."

Believers are under the law of God, but no longer under the Mosaic Law.

Believers are "under Grace".

so....the "law of God"????

You have the "commandments".
You have the mosiac law
and you have the "law written in our hearts".

Believer exist in the Kingdom of God.
The "law" there is "made righteous", and "under Grace".
 

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Right. So folk like crooked televangelists and big time Christian apologists and pastors etc who fleece their flocks , because they are born again right, can commit adultery, lie, steal, discredit the name of God, and yet not be a sinner because for them, there's no more law right?

There is the fact that Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge SIN to the born again.
The reason?
Because God has already judged Himself for the "sin of the World", on the Cross.
What does this mean?
It means that God will not charge both Christ and the born again for the same offense.
What offense? = All sin.

So, where this is misunderstood by heretics and self righteous people who actually don't trust Christ but are instead trying to stay saved by self effort.......is..

"well, if all sin is forgiven, then we can just live like hell and where is the party".

So, you have these fools on Forums and in Pulpits who think that being made righteous means "do what you want to now".. and these same deceived talk about "License to sin" because they have no clue as to Redemption or what the Blood Atonement actually does and continues.
See, when you are reading the words of a fool, and this is a person who rants about "license to sin" then you are actually listening to someone who is religious but lost, or you are listening to someone who has no understanding of the Grace of God..... none at all.

Its like this Reader....., there is no judgement for sin, ON the Born again after you die, as it has ALL fallen upon CHRIST on the Cross.

But here is the thing........there is the fact of the Grace of God that has redeemed his Beloved from their sin and from the ETERNAL Consequence of JUDGEMENT that would have found them had they not been born again. And this is why the born again meet God in eternity only as FATHER and never as Judge.
Yet, the Cross did not eliminate a spiritual law in this world, and that law is the law of "sowing and reaping". "spiritual seed time and harvest".
This means that while its true that God has Himself received eternal judgment for the sin of the Born again, the Born again are still involved with the consequences of "sowing and reaping" all the time.

What does this mean?
It means that the blood of Jesus takes care of your Eternity, but your behavior on this earth, after you are born again, creates consequence that is not removed by being made righteous by the Blood of Jesus.
So, if a born again person lives in immorality, then this lifestyle has consequences that will bring pain, hurt, and sorrow to them.
= Destruction.

What can you lose by being an immoral Christian, ? Everything but your Salvation, as your Salvation is Kept by God, because He provided it.
Everything else you can lose, if you live in immorality.

Grace is not a free ride, its instead an eternal security.

If you SAINT , as a born again person live in immorality, then your life is going to break down and burn as the consequence of "sowing and reaping".
If you dont stop and repent back to the walk of faith, then it just gets worse and worse.
Eventually God is going to rebuke you, and He is going to chastise you, and if you remain steadfast in your backsliding, then Paul says, you will die.
THAT is what you GET, when you live in immorality, as a born again believer.
You get hell on earth as the consequence, but you do not get hell after you die, as God has taken that for you on the Cross and by His death.
 
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"""""But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.""""


If you are born again, then you are "delivered from the Law"....

And why?
Because the law is a curse to you, and Christ came to deal with it for you.

"Jesus has redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law".

And what is the curse?
The curse is that the law once had the power, or the "dominion of the Law" to JUDGE YOU....
And when it judged you, it found you GUILTY of being a SINNER.
It defined your conduct as morally AGAINST the Holiness and Righteousness of God.

This is why you were DAMNED.

What was referred to is the Law covenant sir, Christians do have laws as well.

But now, "Christ has REDEEMED us (the born again) from the curse of the Law.
We are now DELIVERED from the curse of Judgment and DOMINION of the Law.

WE, the born again, are now "UNDER GRACE".
This means we are removed from the Law's dominion.
It can no longer judge you or esteem you a "sinner", for Grace has become our dominion, and Grace proclaims us as "the righteousness of God" because through the BLood of Jesus we are "MADE RIGHTEOUS" and kept righteous for ETERNITY.

And this Righteousness of God that is now who we have become, "in Christ" has remade us Spiritually, redeemed us Eternally, and now all the born again are :

"As JESUS IS..........so ARE the Born again = IN THIS WORLD".

This is our "new Creation in Christ" eternal standing as God's Blood bought Redeemed.

We have "passed from death to LIFE". We are now in the world but not of the World.
We now eternally exist as "ONE with God", "translated from darkness TO Light".
And this LIGHT is God's Righteousness, and in fact we are BORN AGAIN = INTO God's Holy Spirit by God's Holy Spirit.

This is ALL the Born again, and once you are born again, you are always born again.
 

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There is the fact that Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge SIN to the born again.
The reason?
Because God has already judged Himself for the "sin of the World", on the Cross.
What does this mean?
It means that God will not charge both Christ and the born again for the same offense.
What offense? = All sin.

So, where this is misunderstood by heretics and self righteous people who actually don't trust Christ but are instead trying to stay saved by self effort.......is..

"well, if all sin is forgiven, then we can just live like hell and where is the party".

So, you have these fools on Forums and in Pulpits who think that being made righteous means "do what you want to now".. and these same deceived talk about "License to sin" because they have no clue as to Redemption or what the Blood Atonement actually does and continues.
See, when you are reading the words of a fool, and this is a person who rants about "license to sin" then you are actually listening to someone who is religious but lost, or you are listening to someone who has no understanding of the Grace of God..... none at all.

Its like this Reader....., there is no judgement for sin, ON the Born again after you die, as it has ALL fallen upon CHRIST on the Cross.

But here is the thing........there is the fact of the Grace of God that has redeemed his Beloved from their sin and from the ETERNAL Consequence of JUDGEMENT that would have found them had they not been born again. And this is why the born again meet God in eternity only as FATHER and never as Judge.
Yet, the Cross did not eliminate a spiritual law in this world, and that law is the law of "sowing and reaping". "spiritual seed time and harvest".
This means that while its true that God has Himself received eternal judgment for the sin of the Born again, the Born again are still involved with the consequences of "sowing and reaping" all the time.

What does this mean?
It means that the blood of Jesus takes care of your Eternity, but your behavior on this earth, after you are born again, creates consequence that is not removed by being made righteous by the Blood of Jesus.
So, if a born again person lives in immorality, then this lifestyle has consequences that will bring pain, hurt, and sorrow to them.
= Destruction.

What can you lose by being an immoral Christian, ? Everything but your Salvation, as your Salvation is Kept by God, because He provided it.
Everything else you can lose, if you live in immorality.

Grace is not a free ride, its instead an eternal security.

If you SAINT , as a born again person live in immorality, then your life is going to break down and burn as the consequence of "sowing and reaping".
If you dont stop and repent back to the walk of faith, then it just gets worse and worse.
Eventually God is going to rebuke you, and He is going to chastise you, and if you remain steadfast in your backsliding, then Paul says, you will die.
THAT is what you GET, when you live in immorality, as a born again believer.
You get hell on earth as the consequence, but you do not get hell after you die, as God has taken that for you on the Cross and by His death.
So, the possibility of having ones name scrubbed from the book of life is merely a scare tactic? An empty threat? The person who has an adulterous relationship with a mistress and does without repenting only suffers in this world? And no need to write an essay on "we can do what we like". That's not what I'm saying. That's what you are saying. You are the one saying that nothing a Christian can do imperils his eternal life., thus He can do what he likes.
 
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So, the possibility of having ones name scrubbed from the book of life is nettle a scare tactic?

Let me show you how that works..

It says that a person who is going to hell, (Christ Rejector) has their name REMOVED from the Lamb's Book.
What does that mean?
It means that everyone's name is in it at birth, and its removed later if you die a Christ Rejector.
That is when and why your name is "removed"
 
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So, the possibility of having ones name scrubbed from the book of life is nettle a scare tactic? Am empty threat? The person who has an adulterous relationship with a mistress and does without repenting only suffers in this world? And no need to write an essay on "we can do what we like". That's not what I'm saying. That's what you are saying. You are the one saying that nothing a Christian can do imperils his eternal life., thus He can do what he likes.

You've got a presupposition built into this here, that "he can do what he likes", is that to say, the new creation likes adultery? Because I don't think that's true.

Much love!
 

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No Law = Only Grace
OP^

Agree...
Without Gods Grace..(Within God)
Without Gods Mercy...(Within God)

There would be NO Giving From God to Corrupt manKIND...Gifts of Gods Faith,
TO manKIND.

 

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I've built the presupposition, or behold?
Maybe I misread something . . . quickly back-pedaling until I can read through this again . . .

:confused:

What caught my attention is this, whomever may or may not be saying it, the idea that if we are completely aquitted of sin - nevermore to be guilty - and that this means we can just do what we want, and that "what we want" includes sin, in this I would point out,

The new creation only wants righteousness, and we are the new creation. So we don't want sin, the flesh wants sin, and we are not our flesh.

Much love!
 
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You are the one saying that nothing a Christian can do imperils his eternal life., thus He can do what he likes.

The truth of the matter as I understand it is that being completely justified from sin does in fact give us the opportunity to do whatever it is WE want, pray, meditate on God, give to others, read His Word, whatever it is that you want. You don't have to sin any more! That's the wonderful news!

Much love!
 
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The truth of the matter as I understand it is that being completely justified from sin does in fact give us the opportunity to do whatever it is WE want, pray, meditate on God, give to others, read His Word, whatever it is that you want. You don't have to sin any more! That's the wonderful news!

Much love!

Here is the remarkable thing...
When a person fully accepts that they can't lose their salvation, the Grace of God becomes their power to live a perfected discipleship.

But, as long as faith in Christ is being limited to...."as long as i dont do this, and as long as I I I. I I I M EMEMEMEMEMEM ME, do THIS", then i stay saved..
So, as long as THAT mind of the FLESH is someone's faith, then they will sin and confess, and can't stop.


The Grace of God is mystical, and does not work as WE THINK IT SHOULD< based on our SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS mind of the flesh, perspective, that justbyfaith preaches endessly, and ferris bueller loves to talk about.

Its only when we stop trying to keep our salvation .....OF OURSELVES..... that we have actually trusted Christ., and at that point in our faith, we begin to walk in the Spirit.
To walk in the Spirit, is to exit within the correct Spiritual Understanding, that is to always see ourselves as God sees us.
Its to live in THAT MIND, is RIGHT BELIEVING.

When you listen to a Cross Denying self saver talk about.. "well, as long as you dont do that, you stay saved, or as long as you keep doing THIS you stay saved"......then you are listening to someone who does not yet actually trust Christ.
See, its only when you believe that Christ KEEPS YOU SAVED, have you began to Trust him in correct Faith.
All other "faith" is self faith, that is "fallen from Grace".
 
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When a person fully accepts that they can't lose their salvation, the Grace of God becomes their power to live a perfected discipleship.
For the longest time I didn't understand this, it seemed SO counter-intuitive!

I've come to think this way.

In knowing that God's love and acceptance of me have really nothing to do with me, other than that I believe it's true, and have received Him, and that I rely on this being true, that God does indeed love me, and accept me, in Christ, alone, this knowledge, faith, is what allows me to open myself fully to God, no holding back, why should I? He's not even going to give me a cross look!

Like a flower that opens to the sun, and receives it's warmth and light, and lives and grows, This is so hard to put into my own words, I have to use God's words,

We are justified through faith in Jesus Christ, and by that same faith - the saving faith by which we are saved - we have access into the grace in which we stand.

We trusted Him to save us at the moment of our salvation. Now we trust Him that He has in fact saved us, without any qualifications, because it's not about us, it's because of Jesus, and Jesus doesn't change. In this trust, we know we are never apart from God, and God is never apart from us.

I feel a new thread coming on . . .

Much love!
 
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Here is the remarkable thing...
When a person fully accepts that they can't lose their salvation, the Grace of God becomes their power to live a perfected discipleship.

But, as long as faith in Christ is being limited to...."as long as i dont do this, and as long as I I I. I I I M EMEMEMEMEMEM ME, do THIS", then i stay saved..
So, as long as THAT mind of the FLESH is someone's faith, then they will sin and confess, and can't stop.


The Grace of God is mystical, and does not work as WE THINK IT SHOULD< based on our SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS mind of the flesh, perspective, that justbyfaith preaches endessly, and ferris bueller loves to talk about.

Its only when we stop trying to keep our salvation .....OF OURSELVES..... that we have actually trusted Christ., and at that point in our faith, we begin to walk in the Spirit.
To walk in the Spirit, is to exit within the correct Spiritual Understanding, that is to always see ourselves as God sees us.
Its to live in THAT MIND, is RIGHT BELIEVING.

When you listen to a Cross Denying self saver talk about.. "well, as long as you dont do that, you stay saved, or as long as you keep doing THIS you stay saved"......then you are listening to someone who does not yet actually trust Christ.
See, its only when you believe that Christ KEEPS YOU SAVED, have you began to Trust him in correct Faith.
All other "faith" is self faith, that is "fallen from Grace".
Jesus said so long as we abide in the Vine, then we are assured of our salvation. And there are sure indications that we may know we are actually abiding in Him, and not presuming based on preconceived ideas.
"If you love Me, keep My Commandments". Obedience. If one is not living a life of obedience, them he needs to reassess his position dont you think? We can judge ourselves by our fruit also.
 

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Maybe I misread something . . . quickly back-pedaling until I can read through this again . . .

:confused:

What caught my attention is this, whomever may or may not be saying it, the idea that if we are completely aquitted of sin - nevermore to be guilty - and that this means we can just do what we want, and that "what we want" includes sin, in this I would point out,

The new creation only wants righteousness, and we are the new creation. So we don't want sin, the flesh wants sin, and we are not our flesh.

Much love!
We are not deprived however of our choices. We can choose whether we live according to the spirit or the flesh. If, as I suggested earlier and did happen as recent unfortunate headlines informed the world, leading lights of the faith have chosen to walk according to that flesh, have lived their lives in disobedience and hypocrisy, and damaged the cause of Christ.
 

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Jesus said so long as we abide in the Vine, then we are assured of our salvation. .

Abiding in the vine, is to be born again.
Thats how you abide.
God causes this, and its the "gift of Salvation".
There is no....>"ok, now that im saved, let me see if i can find a verse that i can misunderstand that seems to say that salvation is now my responsibility, AFTER God gave it to me as ="the GIFT of Salvation".

Try not to live in that spiritual deceit, that is taught by so many faith corrupted people.
Its very easy to get lost in there and never come back out.