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Where is the word "full" in that scripture?

The word is not there but is implied in the context - by understanding the Jonah reference. Where is the word 'partial?'

Just as Jonah was in the whale’s belly for three days and three nights,[a] so the Human One will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.
Matthew 12:40 (CEB)
 

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To look at scriptural timing logically, the reason many folks interpret the Crucifixion as being on a Friday is because of the verse that stated the next day was a Sabbath. Ok. Nothing wrong with that. So that can be a weekly Sabbath, but are there other possibilities? Yes. John 19:31 calls that Sabbath a High Day, ie. a special Sabbath. There were annual Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week just as there's the weekly Sabbath. OK. So what does this prove? At this point nothing. It could be a weekly Sabbath but John 19:31 at least identifies it as a special one so it could be another day of the week, or, it could be a special Sabbath that happened to fall on the weekly Sabbath. So all these scriptures did was apparently cause confusion. But God is not the author of confusion, but rather it means we have to look further. But that doubting in and of itself tells us we have to honestly search deeper. So what other clues do we have? All the gospels stated the need to inter Jesus before the day ended because the Sabbath was drawing on. This is why the scriptures state that later they planned to go back to place spices on Jesus properly. It was clearly a "rush job" to get him temporarily prepared, i.e from their perspective. So they had some spices but needed to buy some more. Since they would have rested immediately after interring him, we find this agrees with Mark 15:47 and Mark 16:1. The women saw where Jesus was laid and there was no time to do much else except get away and rest for the Sabbath. It was After the Sabbath they bought the spices, as whatever day that was, it was not a Sabbath. Now... here's the clincher. Luke 23:56 stated they returned, prepared spices and rested on the Sabbath. Let's reason this. They had no spices except to do a quick job, so they had to wait until after the Sabbath to buy (and thus prepare) them, as that would take awhile. Then they rested on the Sabbath? Obviously not the Sabbath coming when Jesus was buried. So let's recap. There's a Sabbath, they then buy spices and prepared them, and then they rested the Sabbath. Sabbath-->non-Sabbath-->Sabbath again.

Now I'm my own worst critic and asked the question could Luke 23:56 simply be out of order? In other words, They rested the Sabbath day and then bought spices and prepared them? Seems remotely possible, but that is mere assumption (and keep in mind they'd have to purchase the spices after dark Saturday night, prepare all that during the night and be at the tomb before sunrise -- another hurried job). Much like the Weekly vs annual Sabbath, in and of itself cannot come to that conclusion. But just to play it safe, let's introduce one more thing that the Lord Himself stated. "As Jonas was in the belly of the whale 3 days and 3 nights, so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth 3 days and 3 nights" (IMO coming from the Lord could stand by itself). So, if we take those Mark and Luke verses as stated without any gymnastics added, what do we come across? Exactly three days and three nights. Thursday could be day one (night and day) that they rested, Friday was market day and no doubt took all day to buy spice and prepare them. By the time that was done it was Saturday Sabbath. They rested again and Saturday evening into Sunday, probably gave their work one last look (IMO only but reasonable), gathered all that up and went to the tomb. well, the third day came to the end and thus they found the tomb empty early on the first day of the week.

I take Jesus' three days and three nights seriously because the whole book of Jonah was based on that as a type of Christ in the heart of the earth as Jonah was in the whale, and three days later arose again as Jonah was vomited out. On the Hebrew calendar, Wednesday would be Passover Nisan 14 (where the lamb is prepared) and the first day of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath Nisan 15 (correlates to Thursday the first day in the tomb) while the Passover meal is eaten. The weekly Sabbath is Nisan 17 and as the day ended, he arose fulfilling the Sunday Feast of Firstfruits.

One other thing I noticed is that we as Gentiles use a different calendar and even the start of the day is different. So consequently when translating Jewish concepts to that of a Gentile involving time and dates, I can also see where the confusion comes into place.
 

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Day One is not the way to count.
Wednesday = t = 0 (the day the Lord died)
Thursday = t = 1 (Day One in the ground)

Yes, I believe we are saying the same thing. That's why I posted that chart back on post 132 to clarify what I verbally said. Thursday and Saturday were Sabbaths. Three Days?
 
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"And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it." Matt. 28:2

So, is the English rendering of this verse correct. How does an angel coming down from heaven create an earthquake. Other records of an angel's visitation in the scriptures do not include any reference to an earthquake occurring at the same time.


However, the same word is also found in Matt 8:24: -

Matt. 8:24: - And suddenly a great tempest arose on the sea, so that the boat was covered with the waves. But He was asleep.​

and here it is translated as tempest, if the translators were consistent in their understanding and translated the same Greek word in both verses using the same English word, then I believe that the English word, "turmoil," would have been more suitable, and in fact it would have been more suitable to have been used in all occurrences where the Greek word "σεισμὸς" is found in the NT, in the following places: - Matthew 8:24, 28:2, Acts 16:26, Revelation 6:12, 11:13, 11:19, 16:18, 16:18.

We should be very mindful that the translators, although they tried to get their translations right, also made a number of glaring mistakes.

Shalom
 

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Your answer is irrelevent to my post.
The exodus happened from within Egypt with Israel who were slaves of the Egyptians who religiously observed days from sunrise to sunrise. So they removed leaven before "the first day" wherewith they "prepared" for passover by first of all remove leaven out of their houses during the daytime of the Egyptian sunrise day the thirteenth day -- logically that was done historically. Ever after they would remove leaven from their houses after they had entered their houses the night and first part of the fourteenth because and as the LORD had commanded them to do already back then in Egypt. This is the answer and the only answer to the Biblical fact that Israel began to move out of Egypt "on the fifteenth day of the First Month that they ate unleavened bread" which in Egypt happened "That Selfsame Night of the fourteenth day of the First Month --after they had slaughtered the sacrifice which they after sunset "in That Night Solemnly to be Observed", ate, so that it got written after a time: "THIS IS THAT NIGHT". You won't find this expression in writing from the mouth of Yahweh again, in Scripture. "This Night" of Abib 15 in Exodus 12:40-41 refers to "that night" the day before after Abib 14 when they had the sacrifice killed AND eaten, in the night of Abib 13, the night AFTER which Israel then on Abib 14, had entered their homes AND had eaten the sacrifice, and for halve the night stayed indoors and for halve the rest of the night and day, "on the fifteenth", had started hence to move out of Egypt.

The "THREE DAYS THICK DARKNESS" OF THE PASSOVER were indistinguishable for its darkness to the Egyptians and for its light to the children of Israel. The separation and distinction only became observable and understandable later in the further progression of God's Providences with his People.



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Read!
"Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, that they might come and annoint Him. Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen ... they saw that the stone had been rolled away ..." Mark 16:1-4
Mark 16:6 "He is risen."

I guess you missed the Mark!

No I missed nothing; you missed the whole dart-board ... WHERE DO YOU READ THAT JESUS RESURRECTED? You are late for your bus, mate. Did He rise while the angle told the women while He was on his way to Galilee already? One cannot be blinder than one want to be blind.
 

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So, is the English rendering of this verse correct. How does an angel coming down from heaven create an earthquake. Other records of an angel's visitation in the scriptures do not include any reference to an earthquake occurring at the same time.

Ridiculous. No angel <created an earthquake> "There was an earthquake when the angel of the Lord descended" or "there was an earthquake the angel of the Lord descending",

Who created the earthquake when Jesus died?
 
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and here it is translated as tempest, if the translators were consistent in their understanding and translated the same Greek word in both verses using the same English word, then I believe that the English word, "turmoil," would have been more suitable, and in fact it would have been more suitable to have been used in all occurrences where the Greek word "σεισμὸς" is found in the NT, in the following places: - Matthew 8:24, 28:2, Acts 16:26, Revelation 6:12, 11:13, 11:19, 16:18, 16:18.

We should be very mindful that the translators, although they tried to get their translations right, also made a number of glaring mistakes.

Talking of <<glaring mistakes>>. You should address your lecture to real scientists who call themselves 'seismologists'.
 

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Ridiculous. No angel <created an earthquake> "There was an earthquake when the angel of the descended" or "there was an earthquake the angel of the descending",

Who created the earthquake when Jesus died?

Please, understand that there was turmoil G:4578, among the Guard at the tomb. While the curtain in the Temple was torn from top to bottom because the earth did quake G:4579, and the rocks dis split and the graves were opened. However what the Centurion saw the turmoil and the things that they saw happened, i.e. the earthquake that they felt, they were very fearful and said, "Truly this was the Son of God."

Talking of <<glaring mistakes>>. You should address your lecture to real scientists who call themselves 'seismologists'.

I believe that you are doing seismologists and myself a great disservice, as they would agree with me that you cannot have an earthquake in the water, so the translators said that their was a great tempest in the winds, but the Disciples were not afraid of the winds blowing but they were afraid of the turmoil of the waves coming at the boat from every direction such that the waves were crashing over the boat and filling it with water such that it was in danger of sinking.

Now in Rev. 16:17-21, the Greek word "σεισμὸς" is used to found twice in this passage and translated as "earthquake" which must have lasted at least 40 or so years as these earthquakes heralded both the recognition before God of Babylon once again by the world in 1926 as well as the dividing of Jerusalem into three partitions which were to be controlled by Britain, Jordan and the UN, in 1948 because of the turmoil, i.e. world wars, one and two, and a number of other conflicts. The translation of "σεισμὸς" does not make logical sense if it is translated as "earthquake," but more sense if it is translated as "turmoil."

The historical evidence does not support the use of earthquakes for the Greek word, "σεισμὸς."

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I never really had a problem with it, just read it and believed, accepted the days they fell on. The Holy Spirit nudges me when things are off, if someone is not really telling the truth.

May I tell you my story. It was when the NIV hit South Africa in the 1970's. Every pew had a new Bible for each seat in front of it. I took one and opened it and it opened at Mark 15:42 and I read, 'as evening approached'. Which implies of course, that evening had not already come but lay ahead. Me being Afrikaans, was acquainted with our Afrikaans Bible and I thought by myself, It was evening already, how can the evening still be approaching?

Much later on I also began to ask myself, WHY 'evening approaching', not "evening already"?

Like lightning it struck my mind, If evening was approaching it still was day of Crucifixion; if evening already it was the day following day of Crucifixion! That's it! Now you have Friday day one day of Crucifixion, and Saturday day 2 the Catholics call 'Still Saturday' In the Grave, and you have "the third day" 'Easter Sunday' of Jesus' Resurrection!

Now you have made the discovery as well, dear Ronald David Bruno.

What you are going to do with or and about it, is all up to you. BUT I AND MY HOUSE, WE SERVE THE LORD -- NOT THE POPE.
 

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No I missed nothing; you missed the whole dart-board ... WHERE DO YOU READ THAT JESUS RESURRECTED? You are late for your bus, mate. Did He rise while the angle told the women while He was on his way to Galilee already? One cannot be blinder than one want to be blind.
Vs. 6
Listen I'm done, the only person who will convince you that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday is Jesus Himself.
It is good that we put our faith in Him and that we believe that HE died for our sins and rose on the third day according to the scriptures.
May His seed that He planted in your soil grow to produce good fruit.
 

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what does this prove? At this point nothing. It could be a weekly Sabbath but John 19:31 at least identifies it as a special one so it could be another day of the week, or, it could be a special Sabbath that happened to fall on the weekly Sabbath.

...PRESUPPOSING it indeed was ... there's the problem -- ONLY because you PRESUMED, IGNORING THE GIVEN, that "Preparation had begun and was going on already" in John 19:31-38 a GIVEN the parallel and simultaneous EQUIVALENT of Mark 15:42 and Matthew 27:57 and Luke 23: 50 onwards :: JOSEPH being the COMMON DENOMINATOR WHICH IDENTIFIES all four Gospels at minutely exactly precisely THE SAME EVENT AND MOMENT IN TIME AND DAY.

And if capitals and bold irritate you so that you cannot understand, then so be it. Colour and frills do not justify headstrong DISOBEDIENCE TO SCRIPTURE
 
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Thanks. You confirmed my every claim from the bigger picture to the finer detail - in contrast as per yourself.

<<it can be done. Jesus died on Nisan 14>>. That's how far you made it - not much difficulty to it so far.

He died 3 PM? Right. What happened then?
Luke 23:48 And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done [that Jesus DIED], smote their breasts, and returned. 49 And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, who stood afar off beholding these things, RETURNED.

So that was 3PM and immediately after. Right? ALL spectators LEFT on Nisan 14 therefore? Right?

Then what happened next?
"When EVENING had already come, JOSEPH came"? Right? Right. Mark 15:47 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31.38,39.

So when was "when EVENING had already come"?
After sunset? Right! After sunset after <Nisan 14> "when EVENING had already come".

Then what happened then?
"The Preparation had begun" and "it was the Preparation" - "the Preparation progressed" - "the Preparation was going on". Was going on "and SINCE / BECAUSE THAT DAY WAS GREAT-DAY-OF-SABBATH" OF THE PASSOVER, "the Jews asked Pilate that the crosses be removed" ... removed while Jesus' dead body was STILL HANGING ON his cross. On Nisan 15 - fifteen, hanging on his cross.

That's my LIE, you shouted!
No <sir>, That's God's Word LYING ACCORDING TO YOU, <sir>.

Jesus was in the tomb on the 14th sir, the Bible doesn't give exact times, but the first verse you posted at Mark 15:47 shows Jesus in the tomb. Mat 27:57 calls it evening, here is the definition of evening sir: o[yioß Opsios (op'-see-os);
Word Origin: Greek, Adjective, Strong #: 3798
late evening
    1. either from three to six o'clock p.m.
    2. from six o'clock p.m. to the beginning of night

The verses in John you posted show clearly that Jesus had to be removed prior to the sabbath (31)
We believe it was carried out according to the law, and have no reason to doubt it. Did I misunderstand what you were trying to say sir?
 

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May I tell you my story. It was when the NIV hit South Africa in the 1970's. Every pew had a new Bible for each seat in front of it. I took one and opened it and it opened at Mark 15:42 and I read, 'as evening approached'. Which implies of course, that evening had not already come but lay ahead. Me being Afrikaans, was acquainted with our Afrikaans Bible and I thought by myself, It was evening already, how can the evening still be approaching?

Much later on I also began to ask myself, WHY 'evening approaching', not "evening already"?

Like lightning it struck my mind, If evening was approaching it still was day of Crucifixion; if evening already it was the day following day of Crucifixion! That's it! Now you have Friday day one day of Crucifixion, and Saturday day 2 the Catholics call 'Still Saturday' In the Grave, and you have "the third day" 'Easter Sunday' of Jesus' Resurrection!

Now you have made the discovery as well, dear Ronald David Bruno.

What you are going to do with or and about it, is all up to you. BUT I AND MY HOUSE, WE SERVE THE LORD -- NOT THE POPE.

I can see how you might get confusesd with that scripture.
It was the day before the Sabbath, the day of preparation, which is why Jesus had to die AND be buried before the Sabbath. They ordered to have all three who were crucified to speed up the process by having their legs broken, but they found Jesus already dead at 3PM. So Joseph had a few hours to seal the deal. Evening (Sabbath) was approaching.
Sunset today in Jerusalem is at 6:57 PM. So Joseph had 4 hours to bury Him.

Mark 15:42
CJB
Since it was Preparation Day (that is, the day before a Shabbat), as evening approached,

ESV
And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath,

KJV
And now when the evening was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

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When evening had already come, since it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,

NIV
It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached,

NKJV
Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath.

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Mark 15:42 > day of Preparation. The day before the Sabbath (Friday; John 19:14 note). Food was prepared before sunset, when the Sabbath began. Joseph would have to buy the linen, make arrangements for Jesus’ burial, and ready the tomb (vv. 43–46) in the three hours remaining between Jesus’ death and sunset.

You missed the Mark once again.
 

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You forgot Scripture. If you remembered Scripture, you would have written,

<<Day One>>
1.A) HERE BEGINS the NIGHT and the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Jesus ENTERED IN in “the Kingdom of my Father” (Jesus’ Jonah’s descent to hell) :–
Mark 14:12/17; Matthew 26:17/20; Luke 22:7/14; John 13:1.

1.B) HERE BEGINS the MORNING of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
in which Jesus was delivered and crucified :–
Mk15:1/Mt27:1/Lk23:1/Jn19:14

1.C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Jesus DIED and was deserted by all :–
Mk15:37–41; Mk27:50–56; Lk23:44–49; Jn19:28–30

<<Day Two>>
You forgot Scripture. If you remembered Scripture, you would have written,

2.A) HERE BEGINS the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
the day whereon Joseph WOULD BURY the body of Jesus :–
Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Lk23:50–51, Jn19:31/38.
“The Feast of Unleavened Bread” Exodus 12:15b
= “The Preparation …
= “… which is the Fore-Sabbath …
= “… for THAT DAY WAS great day of sabbath” of passover.
= FRIDAY!
= Abib 15, Thursday night and Friday day = Sixth Day ....

2.B) HERE is the NIGHT of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein JOSEPH begged the body, and according to the law of the Jews – the passover’s law – undertook and prepared to bury Jesus:–
“the first night” unleavened bread was eaten John 19:39
Mk15:43–46a; Mt27:58–59; Lk23:52–53a; Jn19:31b–40

2.C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Joseph and Nicodemus had laid the body and had closed the tomb; and men and women left for home :–
Mk15:46b–47; Mk27:60–61; Lk23:53b–56a; JN19:41–42

<<Day Three>>
You forgot Scripture. If you remembered Scripture, you would have written,

3.A) HERE BEGINS the THIRD NIGHT of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
THAT JESUS WOULD RISE FROM THE DEAD ON :–
Luke 23:56b
“The day after the sabbath” OF THE PASSOVER Leviticus 23:11,15
= Abib 16, Friday night and Saturday day = Seventh Day Sabbath....

3.B) HERE is the MORNING of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
Pilate ordered a guard “for the third day” :–
Matthew 27:62–66

3.C) HERE is “IN the Sabbath’s Fullness MID–AFTERNOON” of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD :–
Mt28:1–4.
__________________________________________________ ___

Abib 17, Saturday night and Sunday day = First Day ....

HERE begins the day AFTER the “three days” (fourth day of the passover season) :–
that Jesus WOULD APPEAR on :–
Mk16:1, “When the Sabbath was past ..... they BOUGHT ....”

HERE is the EVENING of this day,
Jn20:1–10 Mary sees the DOOR STONE was away from the tomb (discovers tomb has been OPENED);

HERE is the NIGHT of this day,
Lk24:1–10 “DEEP(EST) DARKNESS” ––– “women with their spices” and ointments go to salve the body; “they found Him NOT” (discover tomb is EMPTY);
Mk16:2–8 “very early (before) SUN’S RISING” ––– women’s return–visit to ascertain; “they fled terrified and told NO ONE”.

Here is sunrise (‘Sunday’ morning),
Jn20:11f, Mk16:9 “Mary had had stood behind” .... saw the gardener (sunrise); “Risen, early (sunrise) on the First Day, Jesus first APPEARED to Mary ....”
Mt28:5–10 “The angel explained to the (other) women (Mt28:1–4) .... As they went to tell .... Jesus met them” (after sunrise).
Mt28:11–15 Guard to high priests.

At my age I have nothing and I have everything to loose. God be merciful to me.
Yours faithfully,
Sinner
 

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Listen I'm done, the only person who will convince you that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday is Jesus Himself.
It is good that we put our faith in Him and that we believe that HE died for our sins and rose on the third day according to the scriptures.
May His seed that He planted in your soil grow to produce good fruit.

The Jesus we believe in is "the Christ according to the Scriptures" the Holy Spirit breathed "by the prophets in time past and in these last days GOD SPOKE BY THE SON".

Is WHAT I believe and stake eternal life on God's Word?
 

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For those of you who are confused about when Jesus died, it's okay to be uncertain, dont beat yourselves up since the best scholars have also had disputes about it as well.
We have to ask ourselves, if the Lord's Day, the first day of the week, wasn't the day He rose from the dead, why did He first appear to many on that Day?
"Now when Jesus was risen early the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast out seven devils." Mark 16:9 KJV
(see also Mark 16:1-7; Luke 24:1-6; John 20:1).
He confirmed that His resurrection happened on that Sunday morning with eye-witnesses within minutes.
John's revelation (Rev.1-10) was on the Lord's Day (not the Sabbath). Everywhere else in the Bible when people met on the Sabbath, it stated so. Here, John had a vision on the Lord's Day.
We can trust the Lord, who has given us truth.
Happy Easter
Is Passover on the First Day of Unleavened Bread? (Part Two)
 

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The only question is how do you count 3 FULL days and 3 full nights?

There's no need to account for three full days. A preponderance of New
Testament scripture attests that Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to
life during the third day rather than the end of day.

Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.

Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by
the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.

Luke 24:5-8 . . In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to
the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you look for the living among
the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he
was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must be delivered into the
hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."

Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.

Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behooved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day

1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
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