Two Types Of Repenters That Find Damnation

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In the above post, we find that the meaning of repentance is clearly spelled out.

Here is what Jesus said on the matter.

Luk 13:1, There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
Luk 13:2, And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3, I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4, Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5, I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.



I am going through my latest “ ignore JBF Postings” phase......how pleasant it is...
 

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I am going through my latest “ ignore JBF Postings” phase......how pleasant it is...
That is your problem...

You have made up your mind to fight me tooth and nail and yet when evidence is presented that proves you are wrong, you ignore it...

So, how are you ever going to come to the knowledge of the truth?

You will continue to fight me tooth and nail, even though the scriptures show the plain fact that you are wrong in the matter that you are fighting me on.

1Co 14:38, But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
 

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You come up with these giant Scripture Walls that nobody ever reads...

Of course, that is a problem in the hearts of many, that they are not inclined towards reading holy scripture when it is posted.

But of course, it is also true that if anyone will read the "scripture walls" that I present, they will no longer be deceived by your FALSE and PERVERTED gospel that a man can be a worker of iniquity and still go to heaven.

I take comfort in what God has said in Isaiah...

Isa 55:10, For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isa 55:11, So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

So, in knowing that these truths cannot be disputed, I believe that there are those who will read my "scripture walls"....especially "newbies"....

And therefore these "newbies" that you are attempting to divert from the understanding of the true gospel, because they are inclined towards being Bereans, and therefore, they will read the scriptures that are brought to bear on any give doctrine...

These "newbies" are not going to be deceived by you...

And they will also be affected by the scriptures that I bring to bear on the conversation...

and may even be saved because of them.

I know that something like that really gets your goat...

Nevertheless it is the truth of the matter and will not be diverted.
 
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And, even if no one gets saved as the result of all my "scripture-posting"...

At least I can say to the Lord on that day that I was faithful...

Even as the prophet Jeremiah never got one convert but is commended of the Lord for being faithful.
 

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“ Turning From Sin” is a good thing to do, but it is not the Formula for Salvation.....we are not Saved by what “ WE” do

you are saying that the Holy Bible is wrong? Read very carefully what those who heard Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost, say, after they were "cut to the heart" (Acts 2:37), "“Men and brethren, what shall WE DO?” (37). To which Peter did not say, "DO nothing", but he does clearly say, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.". Their action included "belief (faith)", because they accepted what Peter had preached about Jesus Christ. This is what Jesus Himself says at the beginning of His Ministry, "and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”. And at the end of His Ministry, " and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47).

Every sinner has to DO something, that is REPENT and BELIEVE, to suggest anything else, is a false Gospel, that cannot ever save a sinner from hell.
 
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Pretty much
I think that recognizing the need to repent may be the deciding factor in someone placing their trust in Jesus for salvation.

For Jesus does not only bring forgiveness...He is the remedy for a sinful lifestyle as He comes to live His life in you and through you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

So, if someone finds that he is not measuring up to the law, that should indicate to him that he is still a sinner in need of the Saviour; as the song goes...

"What's going on inside of me?...I despise my own behaviour...this only serves to confirm my suspicion...that I'm still a man in need of the Saviour..."

Because if you have the Holy Spirit and walk according to His dictates in your life, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4).

In bearing the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn you in your behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23).

Therefore, when we violate the law, we show that we have not yet been redeemed.

What then is the solution?

To buckle down and do our best to try to do better when it comes to our law-keeping, in attempting to do better at keeping the set of do's and don'ts that is set before us in the law, is not the answer...

Rather, we are to place our faith in Jesus, by whom we will receive the Holy Spirit (Galatians 3:14); who is the life blood of the vine of which we have become the branches. Therefore as we bear the fruit of the Spirit...because we are connected to the vine and draw up nourishment from the vine...the result will be that we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven...for there is no law against love and goodness (read Galatians 5:22-23; and see that love and goodness are the fruit of the Spirit).
 

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You got two guys.....they both try to Repent of their sins because they believe that it is how one gets Saved......
The first guy is a successful Repenter—- He is sorry every time he sins and he experiences guilt and remorse and he vows to do better and indeed, he “ does” do better.....he manages to rise above the sins in his life......
The second guy—— he ain’t so lucky.He struggles and fails almost all of the time.....he tries to remember all of his sins and he tries to “ do better”, but he just can’t manage to repent as successfully as the other guy......
The bad news is that both of these guys are Lost.Why? Those that try to get Saved by Repenting have forgotten a few things—— Obsession with Repentance can keep you from Believing and Trusting in Jesus for Salvation.....there is no acknowledgement of Mercy or Grace......no Credit is Given to the Shed Blood which turned out to be the “ Actual” thing that Saved lost Sinners....
Salvation is all about the Acceptance Of a FREE GIFT.....Those trying to be Justified by their ability to Repent have Rejected that Free Gift where Jesus gets all of the Glory and they get None.....They demanded that others had to Repent Of “ their” sins and of course they NEVER really gave up all of the Sins in their lives —— its a Fool’s Errand to think that you can rid yourself of ALL the Sin in your life.....even if you did and became a perfect Performer Of the Law, you will discover that you wasted your time.....it's like playing by the Rules Of Checkers when the “ game” being played was Chess. Why? “ By The Works Of The Law , NO FLESH shall be JUSTIFIED, and those that put their Faith in “ Repenting From Sin” turned it into a Work....
“ Turning From Sin” is a good thing to do, but it is not the Formula for Salvation.....we are not Saved by what “ WE” do —— no matter how great and good it sounds—— that’s for “ itching ears “ .....We are Saved by what JESUS did and our BELIEF in what HE accomplished FOR us .....Relying on Repentance for Salvation won’t get the job done.....it ain’t what we “ DID”, it’s what we “ BELIEVED”, as in “ BELIEVE in The Lord Jesus and Thou Shalt be Saved”.....
Remember this.....if your “Salvation Plan” sneaks in anything that “ YOU” get Credit for.....You are one the Wrong Track.......HE gets ALL the Glory for your Salvation and YOU get NONE! Even if you are the best little repenter of sins that ever lived.....

amen! repentance biblically is simply a change of mind. Repentance to salvation is changing ones mind and trusting in what jesus accomplished at teh cross for us!

Turning from sin in the biblical way can only come after one has trusted in the death and resurrection of Jesus for their payment for sin. Then we are given the new nature that can respond and walk away from sin and walk to righteousness.
 
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amen! repentance biblically is simply a change of mind. Repentance to salvation is changing ones mind and trusting in what jesus accomplished at teh cross for us!

Turning from sin in the biblical way can only come after one has trusted in the death and resurrection of Jesus for their payment for sin. Then we are given the new nature that can respond and walk away from sin and walk to righteousness.

you have the cart before the horse! Jesus Himself very clearly says in Luke 24:47, that the Gospel is, "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem."

Which is exactly what the Apostle Peter says to those who were convicted by his preaching on the Day of Pentecost

"Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:37-38)

Note, these first repented of their sins, and only then they received the Gift of the Holy Spirit, Who is the Seal of their salvation (Ephesians 1:13-14)
 

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you have the cart before the horse! Jesus Himself very clearly says in Luke 24:47, that the Gospel is, "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem."

Which is exactly what the Apostle Peter says to those who were convicted by his preaching on the Day of Pentecost

"Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:37-38)

Note, these first repented of their sins, and only then they received the Gift of the Holy Spirit, Who is the Seal of their salvation (Ephesians 1:13-14)

Well I know the more modern translations omit the preposition "eis" (into and) between repentance and forgivenss, which is unfortunate.

for these are two seperate events that occur. Repentance first which is a change of mind. This is to agree that Jesus is Lord and His death and resurrection paid for our sin. When we Change our mind (repent) and agree with this fact, then the forgiveness of sins comes.
 
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you have the cart before the horse! Jesus Himself very clearly says in Luke 24:47, that the Gospel is, "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem."

Which is exactly what the Apostle Peter says to those who were convicted by his preaching on the Day of Pentecost

"Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:37-38)

Note, these first repented of their sins, and only then they received the Gift of the Holy Spirit, Who is the Seal of their salvation (Ephesians 1:13-14)


In the book of acts when Peter was preaching to the Jews after Pentecost you must remember its historic context. He was preaching to people who knew of Jesus had probably even heard Him preach and teach, and rejected Him as messiah! Peter was telling them that they had to change their mind, accept Jesus is the Messiah then they can be baptized and experience the remission of their sins. Jews had many many baptisms, so being baptized was not a foreign thing and Peter was not speaking of the Baptism of John, but the baptism of the Spirit.
 
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Well I know the more modern translations omit the preposition "eis" (into and) between repentance and forgivenss, which is unfortunate.

it is nothing to do with "more modern translations omit the preposition "eis"", if you know about textual studies, the far stronger textual evidence for Luke 24:47, is for the reading, "μετάνοιαν εἰς" (forgiveness FOR) , which dates from the late 1st, early 2nd century. This is what Acts 2:38 says. You are reading theology into what the Bible actually says. If a sinner "repents", then they get saved at that very moment, not at any later time, as some teach.
 

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In the book of acts when Peter was preaching to the Jews after Pentecost you must remember its historic context. He was preaching to people who knew of Jesus had probably even heard Him preach and teach, and rejected Him as messiah! Peter was telling them that they had to change their mind, accept Jesus is the Messiah then they can be baptized and experience the remission of their sins. Jews had many many baptisms, so being baptized was not a foreign thing and Peter was not speaking of the Baptism of John, but the baptism of the Spirit.

Not so! the repentance came first, which brought about their forgiveness of their sins, as Peter again says in 3:19, "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord". Again, repentance precedes forgiveness and salvation. Also, the "baptism" they received then (2:41), is the same that the Eunuch received in Acts 8, "So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him" (36). And Cornelius and those of his household who believed also received, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days." (10:47-48)
 

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it is nothing to do with "more modern translations omit the preposition "eis"", if you know about textual studies, the far stronger textual evidence for Luke 24:47, is for the reading, "μετάνοιαν εἰς" (forgiveness FOR) , which dates from the late 1st, early 2nd century. This is what Acts 2:38 says. You are reading theology into what the Bible actually says. If a sinner "repents", then they get saved at that very moment, not at any later time, as some teach.


Yes it does, for it makes repentance and remission two events that follow one after the other.

and Eis if properly into or unto which connotes a moving to:

Strong's Concordance
eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)
Original Word: εἰς
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: eis
Phonetic Spelling: (ice)
Definition: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, purpose, result)
Usage: into, in, unto, to, upon, towards, for, among.
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1519 eis (a preposition) – properly, into (unto) – literally, "motion into which" implying penetration ("unto," "union") to a particular purpose or result.

For is a very very minor use. The major rule of translation is when the primary definition fits into immediate and greater context- the minor uses are not to be used.

Repentance or a changing of ones mind (meta=change noioa= mind) moves on to the remission of sins.

No I am reading the text as properly tranlsated and then forming doctrine from that!

I look forward to your providing 1st and 2nd centuriy writings that promote changing ones mind is for the remission of sins as the object.

I agree a sinner only repents once- they change thewir mind and accpet Jesus as Savior and Lord and all their sins are removed!
 
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Not so! the repentance came first, which brought about their forgiveness of their sins, as Peter again says in 3:19, "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord". Again, repentance precedes forgiveness and salvation. Also, the "baptism" they received then (2:41), is the same that the Eunuch received in Acts 8, "So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him" (36). And Cornelius and those of his household who believed also received, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days." (10:47-48)


That is what I have said! Repentance means to change ones mind! Meta noioa! When one changes their mind about who Jesus is and what He did their sins are removed! Repentance is salvation, as soon as ones mind is changed (repentance) they are saved! The forgiveness of sins occurs at the same moment! Maybe nanoseconds apart but I wouldn't shave by the difference. Because after all the saved whp repented are the elect from the foundation of the World!
 

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Yes it does, for it makes repentance and remission two events that follow one after the other.

and Eis if properly into or unto which connotes a moving to:

Strong's Concordance
eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)
Original Word: εἰς
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: eis
Phonetic Spelling: (ice)
Definition: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, purpose, result)
Usage: into, in, unto, to, upon, towards, for, among.
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1519 eis (a preposition) – properly, into (unto) – literally, "motion into which" implying penetration ("unto," "union") to a particular purpose or result.

For is a very very minor use. The major rule of translation is when the primary definition fits into immediate and greater context- the minor uses are not to be used.

Repentance or a changing of ones mind (meta=change noioa= mind) moves on to the remission of sins.

No I am reading the text as properly tranlsated and then forming doctrine from that!

I look forward to your providing 1st and 2nd centuriy writings that promote changing ones mind is for the remission of sins as the object.

I agree a sinner only repents once- they change thewir mind and accpet Jesus as Savior and Lord and all their sins are removed!

I believe that the Lord can give me His unadulterated message in the English language through the power of the Holy Spirit; who also was at work when they translated the kjv.

So, there is no need to go back to the original languages to get the truth.

As a matter of fact, if you study the languages and become an educated Greek or Hebrew scholar, you are more likely to become like the educated scribes and Pharisees who rejected Jesus while the common people heard Him gladly.
 

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That is what I have said! Repentance means to change ones mind! Meta noioa! When one changes their mind about who Jesus is and what He did their sins are removed! Repentance is salvation, as soon as ones mind is changed (repentance) they are saved! The forgiveness of sins occurs at the same moment! Maybe nanoseconds apart but I wouldn't shave by the difference. Because after all the saved whp repented are the elect from the foundation of the World!

Repentance means to make 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan, towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.
 
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Yes it does, for it makes repentance and remission two events that follow one after the other.

and Eis if properly into or unto which connotes a moving to:

Strong's Concordance
eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)
Original Word: εἰς
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: eis
Phonetic Spelling: (ice)
Definition: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, purpose, result)
Usage: into, in, unto, to, upon, towards, for, among.
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1519 eis (a preposition) – properly, into (unto) – literally, "motion into which" implying penetration ("unto," "union") to a particular purpose or result.

For is a very very minor use. The major rule of translation is when the primary definition fits into immediate and greater context- the minor uses are not to be used.

Repentance or a changing of ones mind (meta=change noioa= mind) moves on to the remission of sins.

No I am reading the text as properly tranlsated and then forming doctrine from that!

I look forward to your providing 1st and 2nd centuriy writings that promote changing ones mind is for the remission of sins as the object.

I agree a sinner only repents once- they change thewir mind and accpet Jesus as Savior and Lord and all their sins are removed!

Do you actually know any Greek grammar?