Ronald Nolette
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Wrong if you read the full context of what they mean by limiterd atonement.
If you believe in unlimited atonement then you believe in universalism.
Two Types Of Repenters That Find Damnation
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Wrong if you read the full context of what they mean by limiterd atonement.
If you believe in unlimited atonement then you believe in universalism.
Ronald Nolette
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I fully agree! That is why I go back to the greek and Hebrew often.
ByGraceThroughFaith
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You are wrong on both. The NASB also is right in Luke 24.47. The textual evidence for this reading is much stronger. Your theology is guiding how you read the Bible
ByGraceThroughFaith
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Ronald Nolette
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Wrong!
JOhn 3:16 is a simple statement of fact. It does not say who or how or why one believes. Jesus is simply stating that whoever ( as opposed to producing an exhaustive list) will be saved! He uses "whosoever" as opposed to specific names.
Ronald Nolette
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So you hold a PHD in Koine Greek? What school?
What school did you get your masters in Greek from?
did you write a thesis? Can I see it?
It does (Ezekiel 33:19 and its context in Ezekiel 33:11-20)
No; because while Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2) and gave His life as a ransom for all (1 Timothy 2:6); not everyone avails themselves of His offer of salvation.
The Cross of Christ must be appropriated to a man's life in order for it to avail in His life; and it is appropriated by faith.
ByGraceThroughFaith
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Now you are being silly. If you don't trust me then don't worry about it. I am not a kid
Ronald Nolette
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And you draw that conclusio how?
If the for means repentance moves one to forgiveness I agree.
And I formed my theology after I studied the bible. I was as you before I tore into Scripture more than superficially.
but if you agree with this definition, then I agree with you :
What the meaning of for?
—used to indicate the place someone or something is going to or toward. —used to indicate the person or thing that something is sent or given to. —used to indicate the thing that something is meant to be used with.
There is a concept that comes out of Calvinism that I greatly disagree with and so does the Bible.
It is the idea that if I am not of the elect, I cannot come to Jesus for salvation, even if I wanted to.
I believe that if I want to come to Jesus, then I can; and that if I come to Him He will in no wise cast me out (John 6:37).
ByGraceThroughFaith
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Ronald Nolette
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As for Ezekeil you are using teh Hebrew definition and trying ot make it mean something it doesn't in greek!
Yes the corss must be appropriated just ONCE/! Then one is saved for all eternity1 That is the word of God!
ByGraceThroughFaith
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Check all the Greek lexicons and exegetical works like Robertson and Vincent and you will see that Kosmos here means the human race. This is the start of the end of the L
Ronald Nolette
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Well you made a claim. I am just investigating.
I fully gave you th einfo you asked of my "expertise" in the langauges of Scripture.
If I said I held a doctorate level understanding of Koine Greek, would you just lay down and believe me?
Ronald Nolette
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Well only teh elect can come to Christ.
teh natural or unsaved man will never come to Christ on their own. Jesus said that in John and Paul reiterated that in Romans. and 1 Cor.
Teh unsaved man cannot please God nor can understand the things of God and no one cam come to Jesus unless the Father compels them!
ByGraceThroughFaith
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All scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine.
In Ezekiel the prophet doesn't use the word "repent".
But the passage in question gives the understanding of what real repentance is from the perspective of the Lord as He has defined it in His word.
Ronald Nolette
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Well I guess you hold to the Armenian flower then. A daisy!
He loves, He loves me not , He loves me...........
People go from being unsaved to saved.
No one can come to Jesus unless He draws them.
Ronald Nolette
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I have no problem here at all! But are you saying all humanity is saved? I don't believe that of you!
It simply is a simple statement. Whoever believes gets saved! It does not say how they get saved, how they come to believe, why they come to believe or free will or predestination or anything else soteriologically. It is a simple statement of fact!
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