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Anastacia

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Hebrews 13:17 does say to obey your Church leaders. There is a reason why this is in the Bible. God commanded us to obey our parents and to obey our Church leaders so He can prepare us for Heaven. If you cannot obey your parents, what makes you think that you can obey God? If you cannot obey your Church leaders who was sent by God, what makes you think that you can obey God? Did you think that in Heaven, you can just do whatever you want?


I don't understand what you mean by "Did you think that in Heaven, you can just do whatever you want?"

As for obey your Church leaders.....like I said before, you have a Bible to check on what they are telling you. If you find that you are being taught by someone who is teaching contrary to the Word of God, then you have the responsibility to stop obeying what they teach you. We are to obey God, and not men! Check to see if your Church leaders are teaching you the Word of God.


The Bereans of Acts 17:11, "examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were so."

As the apostle Peter told the Jewish council in Acts 5:29, "We ought to obey God rather than men".

 

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I don't understand what you mean by "Did you think that in Heaven, you can just do whatever you want?"

As for obey your Church leaders.....like I said before, you have a Bible to check on what they are telling you. If you find that you are being taught by someone who is teaching contrary to the Word of God, then you have the responsibility to stop obeying what they teach you. We are to obey God, and not men! Check to see if your Church leaders are teaching you the Word of God.


The Bereans of Acts 17:11, "examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were so."

As the apostle Peter told the Jewish council in Acts 5:29, "We ought to obey God rather than men".

Anastacia, I have already shown you that the Early Church in the FIRST CENTURY made statues and had mosaic paintings. What makes you think that you know better than these first century Early Christians? It was the first century early Christians who wrote the New Testament. You did not write it. Our Church leaders are teaching the word of God. History and archaeology is on our side because there is archaeological evidence showing the mosaic paintings of the Early Church in the first century - the same kinds of mosaic paintings found in our Churches today.

You don't understand what I say, when I asked you if you can do whatever you want in Heaven. The question is simple. As I said, if you cannot obey your parents or Church leaders, what makes you think you can obey God. There is a reason why God commanded us to do these things - and that is to prepare us for Heaven. If you think that Heaven is a place where you can do whatever YOU WANT, you have a grave misconception of Heaven.
 

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I don't understand what you mean by "Did you think that in Heaven, you can just do whatever you want?"

As for obey your Church leaders.....like I said before, you have a Bible to check on what they are telling you. If you find that you are being taught by someone who is teaching contrary to the Word of God, then you have the responsibility to stop obeying what they teach you. We are to obey God, and not men! Check to see if your Church leaders are teaching you the Word of God.


The Bereans of Acts 17:11, "examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were so."

As the apostle Peter told the Jewish council in Acts 5:29, "We ought to obey God rather than men".

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I agree that the Bible is important, but that does not mean that I should worship it. The Bible says to obey your Church leaders (Hebrews 13:17). And I agree that a personal relationship with Jesus is very important. He also told me to listen to His written word, and His written word says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth (1 Timothy 3:15) and we are to obey our Church leaders (Hebrews 13:17). If we cannot obey the Church leaders whom God has called to spread His Gospel, what makes you think that we can obey God?



Hebrews 13:17 does say to obey your Church leaders. There is a reason why this is in the Bible. God commanded us to obey our parents and to obey our Church leaders so He can prepare us for Heaven. If you cannot obey your parents, what makes you think that you can obey God? If you cannot obey your Church leaders who was sent by God, what makes you think that you can obey God? Did you think that in Heaven, you can just do whatever you want?

I loved the Church. I went to Mass and Communion almost every day. Jesus chose me to be his minister. Jesus taught me and much of what he taught did not agree with any Christian Church. I did not know what to do. I asked Jesus, and he told me to cooperate with the Church, don’t fight, but I was no longer to be under the Churches headship.



My job is to give a word. The word I have to give disagrees with the Churches teachings. If I would still be under the Churches headship, the Church could tell me to be silent and I would not be able to give the word Jesus told me to give.



The true Church of God: are those who hear the Word of God, and live that Word.

 

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I loved the Church. I went to Mass and Communion almost every day. Jesus chose me to be his minister. Jesus taught me and much of what he taught did not agree with any Christian Church. I did not know what to do. I asked Jesus, and he told me to cooperate with the Church, don’t fight, but I was no longer to be under the Churches headship.



My job is to give a word. The word I have to give disagrees with the Churches teachings. If I would still be under the Churches headship, the Church could tell me to be silent and I would not be able to give the word Jesus told me to give.



The true Church of God: are those who hear the Word of God, and live that Word.

Hello Thankful,

I was also a leader of my community in my Church as I walk in the Way. That was taken from me, but I did not leave the Church. Instead, I tried to understand why God would take that leadership from me. Only time made me understand that God took that from me to teach me humility. I had to understand that it is not about me, but about Him. And if I may ask, what is this word that went against Church teaching?

In Christ,
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I am not sure if the question on suicide every got addressed so I am just going to throw in my two cents - but first, here are some thoughts from the Catholic Church:
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Hi Aspen,

I remember seeing that post on suicide, and I forgot about it. Thank you for addressing the question.

In Christ,
Selene
 

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Anastacia, I have already shown you that the Early Church in the FIRST CENTURY made statues and had mosaic paintings. What makes you think that you know better than these first century Early Christians? It was the first century early Christians who wrote the New Testament. You did not write it. Our Church leaders are teaching the word of God. History and archaeology is on our side because there is archaeological evidence showing the mosaic paintings of the Early Church in the first century - the same kinds of mosaic paintings found in our Churches today.

You don't understand what I say, when I asked you if you can do whatever you want in Heaven. The question is simple. As I said, if you cannot obey your parents or Church leaders, what makes you think you can obey God. There is a reason why God commanded us to do these things - and that is to prepare us for Heaven. If you think that Heaven is a place where you can do whatever YOU WANT, you have a grave misconception of Heaven.


WHILE the foundation was being laid---by the apostles and prophets---we are warned about people being led astray into false beliefs.


Galatians 2:11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. [sup]12[/sup] For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. [sup]13[/sup] The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

Philipians 1:17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.

2 Thessalonians 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you

2 Timothy 2:17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,

1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! [sup]9[/sup] As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. [sup]14[/sup] And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. [sup]15[/sup] It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Acts 20:29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.


And Peter warns us---

2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. [sup]2[/sup] Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. [sup]3[/sup] In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.


So you want me to believe in things people taught, because it was a long time ago that they lived, and that their living was close to the time Jesus and the apostles walked the earth?!?
 

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Yes, my sister, I know about the false prophets. They're also ones who only focus on the second sentence and ignore the first sentence of the Word of God, which is found in the same paragraph.
 
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Yes, my sister, I know about the false prophets. They're also ones who only focus on the second sentence and ignore the first sentence of the Word of God, which is found in the same paragraph.


Oh you mean the ones in the Catholic religion who changed and removed some of the Ten Commandments? I guess they didn't know that they didn't have to do that, because when Catholics are shown the Truth....they still deny it. Anyone can do a Google search for themselves to see how the Catholics did this with the Ten Commandments.

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Oh you mean the ones in the Catholic religion who changed and removed some of the Ten Commandments? I guess they didn't know that they didn't have to do that, because when Catholics are shown the Truth....they still deny it. Anyone can do a Google search for themselves to see how the Catholics did this with the Ten Commandments.

My sister, in the Bible, God never assigned any number to the "Ten Commandments." There are actually more than 10 and it is not even numbered. This is how the Commandments are written in the Bible. Do you see any numbers from 1-10? Do you see anything in there that says, "This is the first commandment, this is the second, this is the third, and so on?"

Exodus 20:3-17
 
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My sister, in the Bible, God never assigned any number to the "Ten Commandments." There are actually more than 10 and it is not even numbered. This is how the Commandments are written in the Bible. Do you see any numbers from 1-10? Do you see anything in there that says, "This is the first commandment, this is the second, this is the third, and so on?"

Exodus 20:3-17

You are wrong in what you say. Here is a scripture that shows you there are the Ten Commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13 (New International Version, ©2010)
[sup]13[/sup] He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.
 

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Deuteronomy 4:13 (New International Version, ©2010)
[sup]13[/sup] He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.

Do you have a question, Anastacia?
 

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Are you actually going to argue with me over a simple question?


Are YOU actually going to argue with me over proving with scripture that someone is incorrect in what they said? Are you upset about something, aspen?
 

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Are YOU actually going to argue with me over proving with scripture that someone is incorrect in what they said? Are you upset about something, aspen?


Not at all. We are just going to get back to what this thread is all about - Catholics answering respectful questions. Selene and I are finished arguing with you. This is not your thread and despite your belief that you know more about Catholicism than we do, you do not. So, if you have a question that you would like to discuss in a respectful, non-accusatory manner we would be happy to talk with you about it - if not, goodbye.

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Deuteronomy 4:13 (New International Version, ©2010)
[sup]13[/sup] He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.

Anastacia, below is a website that explains the Ten Commandments of the Protestants and the Catholics. You can compare the two and read the article. I suggest you read it before you continue making your false accusation against the Catholic Church. God bless.

http://www.davidmacd...ommandments.htm
 
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Anastacia, below is a website that explains the Ten Commandments of the Protestants and the Catholics. You can compare the two and read the article. I suggest you read it before you continue making your false accusation against the Catholic Church. God bless.

http://www.davidmacd...ommandments.htm


Selene, you have proven from the link you gave that the Catholics did take out this command: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.


Maybe you should do what you told me to do...and that is to read it before you continue making your false accusation against me.

Not at all. We are just going to get back to what this thread is all about - Catholics answering respectful questions. Selene and I are finished arguing with you. This is not your thread and despite your belief that you know more about Catholicism than we do, you do not. So, if you have a question that you would like to discuss in a respectful, non-accusatory manner we would be happy to talk with you about it - if not, goodbye.

Peace


I guess Selene would like to continue. Thanks for nothing.

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Selene, you have proven from the link you gave that the Catholics did take out this command: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.


Maybe you should do what you told me to do...and that is to read it before you continue making your false accusation against me.
God bless

Anatascia, this only goes to show that you did not bother nor care to read the entire article. If you had read the entire article you would have seen this below, which is found in that article:

"Even Jerry Falwell acknowledged that Catholics did not remove the commandment "You shall not make for yourself a graven image." It is part of the first commandment "You shall have no other god's before me." (Section 2, Chapter 1, Part IV) We have not removed it. The Jewish people also place "you shall not make any graven image" with the commandment "thou shalt not have any strange gods before Me."

The article stated that "the Catholic first commandment long form has the part about the "graven images." Because you did not bother nor care to read the entire article.......GOOD-BYE. :)

 
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The Catholics took this out of the Ten Commandmensts:

Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments.

Anatascia, this only goes to show that you did not bother nor care to read the entire article. If you had read the entire article you would have seen this below, which is found in that article:

"Even Jerry Falwell acknowledged that Catholics did not remove the commandment "You shall not make for yourself a graven image." It is part of the first commandment "You shall have no other god's before me." (Section 2, Chapter 1, Part IV) We have not removed it. The Jewish people also place "you shall not make any graven image" with the commandment "thou shalt not have any strange gods before Me."

The article stated that "the Catholic first commandment long form has the part about the "graven images." Because you did not bother nor care to read the entire article.......GOOD-BYE. :)




Your link proved the Catholics took out of the Ten Commandments about making images. And why do you bring up Jerry Falwell? Haven't you been listening to anything I've been saying? I don't go by what Jerry Falwell says, when he says things that are in opposition to the Bible.

And you say the Jewish people placed the commandment about not making images with another commandment, but the Catholics took it out completely!
 
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