Two Types Of Repenters That Find Damnation

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We are predestinated according to foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 1 Peter 1:2).

Now learn what foreknowledge (pro-gnosis) means. It ain't what you think, that God sees the future and knows what we will deciode. tat is the lied many have swallowed.
 

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Romans 8

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Well I am glad then that you know Gods love for those He saved never ends nor does He revoke salvation because we are imperfect children.
 
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I agree with that 100% that is what the bible teaches.
What do you think repentance means?

From: The Way of Life, chapters 6-7, by Charles Hodge:

There is no duty the necessity of which is either more obvious in itself, or more frequently asserted in the word of God, than that of repentance. Nature itself teaches us, that when we have done wrong, we should be sorry for it, and turn away from the evil. Every man feels that this is a reasonable expectation in regard to those who have offended him. Every parent, especially, looks with anxiety for the repentance of a disobedient child; and he considers nothing worthy of the name, but sincere sorrow and a return to affectionate obedience. No man need wonder, therefore, that God, who requires nothing but what is right, and who can require nothing less, commands all men everywhere to repent. The salvation offered in the gospel, though it be a salvation of sinners, is also a salvation from sin. The heaven which it promises is a heaven of holiness. The rivers of pleasure, which flow from the right hand of God, are filled with the pure waters of life. No man, therefore, can be saved who does not, by repentance, forsake his sins. This is itself a great part of salvation. The inward change of heart from the love and service of sin to the love and service of God, is the great end of the death of Christ, who gave himself for his church, "that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." A salvation for sinners, therefore, without repentance, is a contradiction.

Hence it is that repentance is the burden of evangelical preaching. Our Saviour himself, when he began to preach, said, "Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." And when he came into Galilee preaching the gospel, he said, "The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." The commission which he gave his apostles was, "That repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations." In the execution of this commission his disciples went forth and preached, "Repent ye, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord." Paul, in the account which he gave Agrippa of his preaching, said that he "showed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance." And he called upon the elders at Ephesus to bear witness that he had taught "publicly, and from house to house, testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."

Repentance, then, is the great, immediate, and pressing duty of all who hear the gospel. They are called upon to forsake their sins, and to return unto God through Jesus Christ. The neglect of this duty, is the rejection of salvation. For, as we have seen, unless we repent we must perish. It is because repentance is thus indispensably necessary, that God reveals so clearly not only the evil of sin, and the terms of his law, but his infinite compassion and love; that he calls upon us to turn unto him and live, assuring us that he is "The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth," This call to repentance commonly follows men from the cradle to the grave. It is one of the first sounds which wakes the infant's ear; it is one of the last which falls on the failing senses of the dying sinner. Everything in this world is vocal with the voice of mercy. All joy and all sorrow are calls to return unto God with whom are the issues of life. Every opening grave, every church, every page of the Bible, is an admonition or an invitation. Every serious thought or anxious foreboding is the voice of God, saying, "Turn ye; for why will ye die?" It is through all these admonitions that men force their way to death. They perish, because they deliberately reject salvation.

It is one of the mysteries of redemption, that, under the economy of mercy, all duties are graces. Though repentance is our duty, it is not less the gift of God. Those who wrest the Scriptures to their own destruction, gladly seize on such truths either as an excuse for delay, under pretence of waiting God's time, or as a palliation of the guilt of a hard and impenitent heart. But those who feel the greatness of the work required of them rejoice in the truth, and rouse themselves with new energy to their duty, no longer a hopeless task, and with all earnestness work out their own salvation, because it is God that worketh in them to will and to do according to his own pleasure.

I concur with Dr Hodge on this. What think ye?
 
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Well I am glad then that you know Gods love for those He saved never ends nor does He revoke salvation because we are imperfect children.

What do you make of the "conditions" that are attached to our salvation? Like, when Jesus says, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" (Matthew 24:13). Or, as Paul says in Hebrews 3:12, 14, "Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God...For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end". Again, Hebrews 10, "28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.". And in 1 John 5, "16If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death."
 

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From: The Way of Life, chapters 6-7, by Charles Hodge:

There is no duty the necessity of which is either more obvious in itself, or more frequently asserted in the word of God, than that of repentance. Nature itself teaches us, that when we have done wrong, we should be sorry for it, and turn away from the evil. Every man feels that this is a reasonable expectation in regard to those who have offended him. Every parent, especially, looks with anxiety for the repentance of a disobedient child; and he considers nothing worthy of the name, but sincere sorrow and a return to affectionate obedience. No man need wonder, therefore, that God, who requires nothing but what is right, and who can require nothing less, commands all men everywhere to repent. The salvation offered in the gospel, though it be a salvation of sinners, is also a salvation from sin. The heaven which it promises is a heaven of holiness. The rivers of pleasure, which flow from the right hand of God, are filled with the pure waters of life. No man, therefore, can be saved who does not, by repentance, forsake his sins. This is itself a great part of salvation. The inward change of heart from the love and service of sin to the love and service of God, is the great end of the death of Christ, who gave himself for his church, "that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." A salvation for sinners, therefore, without repentance, is a contradiction.

Hence it is that repentance is the burden of evangelical preaching. Our Saviour himself, when he began to preach, said, "Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." And when he came into Galilee preaching the gospel, he said, "The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." The commission which he gave his apostles was, "That repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations." In the execution of this commission his disciples went forth and preached, "Repent ye, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord." Paul, in the account which he gave Agrippa of his preaching, said that he "showed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance." And he called upon the elders at Ephesus to bear witness that he had taught "publicly, and from house to house, testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."

Repentance, then, is the great, immediate, and pressing duty of all who hear the gospel. They are called upon to forsake their sins, and to return unto God through Jesus Christ. The neglect of this duty, is the rejection of salvation. For, as we have seen, unless we repent we must perish. It is because repentance is thus indispensably necessary, that God reveals so clearly not only the evil of sin, and the terms of his law, but his infinite compassion and love; that he calls upon us to turn unto him and live, assuring us that he is "The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth," This call to repentance commonly follows men from the cradle to the grave. It is one of the first sounds which wakes the infant's ear; it is one of the last which falls on the failing senses of the dying sinner. Everything in this world is vocal with the voice of mercy. All joy and all sorrow are calls to return unto God with whom are the issues of life. Every opening grave, every church, every page of the Bible, is an admonition or an invitation. Every serious thought or anxious foreboding is the voice of God, saying, "Turn ye; for why will ye die?" It is through all these admonitions that men force their way to death. They perish, because they deliberately reject salvation.

It is one of the mysteries of redemption, that, under the economy of mercy, all duties are graces. Though repentance is our duty, it is not less the gift of God. Those who wrest the Scriptures to their own destruction, gladly seize on such truths either as an excuse for delay, under pretence of waiting God's time, or as a palliation of the guilt of a hard and impenitent heart. But those who feel the greatness of the work required of them rejoice in the truth, and rouse themselves with new energy to their duty, no longer a hopeless task, and with all earnestness work out their own salvation, because it is God that worketh in them to will and to do according to his own pleasure.

I concur with Dr Hodge on this. What think ye?
Very excellent.
 

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I will have repented of all of my sins long before I die.


Of course , you won’t really, and anybody with a lick of Common Sense knows that is true......you have committed sins you are not even aware of....and beyond that, how ‘bout we discuss the one thing that you and your Ilk NEVER want to talk about——- those pesky “ Sins Of Omission”....
How much of the spare time that you wasted today could you ?have been spent visiting prisons and hospitals ? How many Strangers did you invite into your hotel room today to feed and clothe today?
Here is the saddest part about all of this.....even if you DID Repent Of all of your wrongs....you would find out it was all a waste of time....Out Of Countless Options, God did not “Opt” to Save Lost Sinners By their little “ Repentance” abilities.....God “ Could” have decided to save those that gained the-most muscles in their lifetimes.....God “ Could” have decided to save those that knew the most languages......God “ could “ have decided to save those that helped the most Little Old Ladies Cross the streets.....and yes, He “Could” have decided to Save those that “ Repented from their Sins”. But He didn't.God chose as His “ Salvation System” to be putting One’s Faith in The Gospel Of 1Cor 15:1-4 Plus Nothing.The only “Repentance “ That “ YOU” need to be concerned about is to Repent about your UNBELIEF in the SAVING POWER of the Gospel PLUS NOTHING to get you Forgiven, Justified and Fit For Heaven——- all of “YOUR” type of Repenting might make you a more “ Moral” man, but it ain’t gonna Save you.....it ain't God’s System.....it ain't His Salvation “ Elixir” .....Faith in Jesus is.Plus Nothing.....Repent From your believing that “ repentance of sins” is the Plan Of God for Salvation...
 
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I find it interesting that you have to rely on the Old Testament so often to justify your false doctrines....nothing wrong with that, per se, it just reveals a lot about you and your Law- Obsessed views.....you don’t know how to live in this Wondrous Age Of Grace ....oh well, you only hurt yourself....( until you try to “ spread” your Hog Wash, that is.....I was put here to Stop it, unfortunately for you )
Yes , it is true that if a Wicked man abandons his Wicked Ways....He will Live.Its common sense....The Word does NOT say if he gives up his wicked ways he will become Saved....THAT relies upon Faith.....Faith Alone.....When will you ever “ Get it”......
 

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You presume to say what is in my gospel when you do not understand my gospel.

I will say, in response to your accusation, that repenting of sins has nothing to so with "buckling down" and "attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts" but with surrendering your heart to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

Why do you fight against such a doctrine as this?


I understand your “ Gospel ” all too well.....”You must Repent of all of your Sins before you die or you will go to Hell”......
One must do the things that you worry about....Get a SuperMemory to remember and then repent of all of your Past sins, and once you have gotten that Of the way—- make sure you live out the rest of your life as a Conquerer Of Sin.....No more Sins in your life ! Sinless Perfection!
I’m pretty sure I left nothing out......You are left with a False, Perverted “Gospel” and you yourself are “ Accursed” for Teaching it......anybody out there that disagrees, feel free to read Galatians and show me where I am wrong.I ain’t.
 

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and behind that, how ‘bout we discuss the tho one thing that you and your Ilk NEVER want to talk about——- those pesky “ Sins Of Omission”....
How much of the spare time that you wasted today could you ?have been spent visiting prisons and hospitals ? How many Strangers did you invite into your hotel room today to feed and clothe today?

God has prepared for us certain walks that we have been foreordained to walk in...

A "sin of omission" is to not walk in a work that the Lord has foreordained for you to walk in.

If I do not work in a soup kitchen tomorrow, but didn't have the opportunity or leading to work in a soup kitchen, that is not a "sin of omission."

I spent my time today well-spent in obeying the mandate in scripture to love my wife...even though it was generally a lazy day today, I don't believe I committed any "sins of omission."

Here is the saddest part about all of this.....even if you DID Repent Of all of your wrongs....you would find out it was all a waste of time....Out Of Countless Options, God did not “Opt” to Save Lost Sinners By their little “ Repentance” abilities...

However, He does opt to condemn a slew of people for being "workers of iniquity" (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41).

...and yes, He “Could” have decided to Save those that “ Repented from their Sins”. But He didn't.

Actually, He did.

Yes , it is true that if a Wicked man abandons his Wicked Ways....He will Live.Its common sense....The Word does NOT say if he gives up his wicked ways he will become Saved..

So, to live rather than to die is not salvation? I think that there is a sense in which "living thereby" is in the eternal sense.

One must do the things that you worry about....Get a SuperMemory to remember and then repent of all of your Past sins,

No, I do not need a Super Memory, as I have explained to you before.

All I need is a relationship with the Holy Spirit. It is His job to pinpoint sins in my life so that i can confess them towards being sanctified (1 John 1:7-9).

and once you have gotten that Of the way—- make sure you live out the rest of your life as a Conquerer Of Sin.....No more Sins in your life ! Sinless Perfection!

Not "sinless" perfection (1 John 1:8). Perfection (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)).

The element of sin, dwelling within us, can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

I’m pretty sure I left nothing out......You are left with a False, Perverted “Gospel” and you yourself are “ Accursed” for Teaching it......anybody out there that disagrees, feel free to read Galatians and show me where I am wrong.I ain’t.

What is it about my gospel that is False and Perverted in your opinion? Let me say again that you have agreed to pay up the $2,400 that you owe me for that I won the challenge that you made concerning doctrine...and to me, that is an admission that you have been wrong on this whole subject of "Lucky Repentance".

That repentance is required is clear in Luke 13:1-5; Ezekiel 33:19 and context (Ezekiel 33:11-20) only helps to define for us what repentance really is...so I am not relying solely on the Old Testament to substantiate my viewpoint.

Now Galatians 5:19-21 shows us clearly that if we work the works of the flesh, we will not inherit the kingdom.

Does that not imply that in order to inherit the kingdom, we must cease from working the works of the flesh?

As far as I'm concerned, that means repenting as concerning one's working of the works of the flesh.

So, that is in Galatians.
 

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Ignoring my posts again, @Blood Bought 1953?

This will be evidenced by the fact that you will keep reiterating the same arguments all over again; even though they have been answered.
 

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Lol.....I never get bored trying to pound into people’s head that it really IS Nothing But The Blood.....the Legalists, The Spreaders Of Leaven and the Tares In here? Pfffttt.....they don’t bother me a bit.....arguing with these clowns is like shooting fish in a barrel.....I enjoy using these poorly taught and confused beings as a “ Springboard” to get the Truth Of God's Gospel Of Grace out there to all of those that will never hear it in their pathetic “ churches”.......
The False, Perverted Gospels trotted out here are things that Newbies are going to encounter out there in the Real World.....With the help Of me and others, they can come in here and get some “ Ammo” to defend themselves against the countless “ Religionists” out there......
Being God's “ Pit-Bull” against Leaven and the Religionists That spread it, seems to be my Calling....what an honor ! I LOVE it and like FDR , I WELCOME the hatred of my enemies..... God bless....
I do like your first post.
When you say all that you do there in quotes, especially the parts about you working to pound the info into people's heads, do you think you're contradicting what you stated earlier in post 1? That part about we do nothing to achieve the free gift because it is all the work of Christ. Wouldn't that also mean our gleaning understanding is his gift also? Lastly, is calling people clowns what comes from the free gift from God?
 

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2 Cor 7:10, "For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death."

Luke 24:47, "and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem"

Acts 2:37-38, "Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 3:19, "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out"

Mark 1:4-5, "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Then all the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem, went out to him and were all baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins."

Luke 18:13, "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’"

Luke 10:13, "“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes."

YOUR "gospel" is a FALSE one that CANNOT save anyone!


Wanna bet? Notice please, as I have been pointing out, there are plenty of notices about repenting —- warnings that you had better “ DO” it! , but nowhere when it says “ repent” does it say “ repent of Sins to be Saved”
There are three different types of “ Repentance” in the Bible .....the only one that plays a part in one’s Salvation is the one that involves “ Turning to God” after the Holy Spirit gave you a Contrite Heart—— The Heart that showed you that you were a Sinner That MUST have a Savior to be made fit for Heaven....
Every time you see somebody being told to,” repent” in Scripture try doing this—-Substitute either the words “ change your mind” or “Turn to God” and forget about always assuming it means “ stop Sinning”
To “ stop Sinning” is not only an impossibility, it won’t get you Saved....It simply is not in God's System in order to be Saved......Faith that Jesus “ DIED “ for those sins , and was crucified, buried and rise from the dead....THAT is the “ System”, and the ONLY System that God will acknowledge ....
The “ System” of becoming “Good Enough” because you Repented Of all your sins ? Sorry. God won’t have it.
Wanna see a picture of a Repentance , a ”Turning to God” that is GUARANTEED TO SAVE? Jesus said a Sinful Tax Collector simply cried out from a Contrite Heart, “ Lord , Have Mercy on me a Sinner” and that got the job done....”He went home JUSTIFIED” Jesus said.THAT means the man was Saved.The guy made-no promise to “ Stop Sinning” ......He just Turned to God and threw himself toward God’s incredible Mercy.....it worked for the Sinful Tax Collector.....it worked for Sinful me.....it will work for Sinful you too!
Repent ?ABSOLUTELY! It is MANDANTORY ! Just make sure you understand what it means .....God Bless....
 

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God is holy....so turning to God means to turn to holiness and thus away from unholiness (sin).
 

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repent of Sins to be Saved

so what did Peter tell those who had heard his first sermon on the Day of Pentecost, whose hearts were "convicted" of their sins? REPENT...for the forgiveness of sins", and only then they would receive "the Gift of the Holy Spirit", which is their "seal" of their salvation. They obeyed Peter and repented of their sins, and they were saved. this is what it says! Why would Jesus also make "repentance" from "sins" in Luke 24:47, if the two don't go together? Modern "salvation" is NOT from the Bible, but the devil has deceived some into a false "repentance"!
 

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I do like your first post.
When you say all that you do there in quotes, especially the parts about you working to pound the info into people's heads, do you think you're contradicting what you stated earlier in post 1? That part about we do nothing to achieve the free gift because it is all the work of Christ. Wouldn't that also mean our gleaning understanding is his gift also? Lastly, is calling people clowns what comes from the free gift from God?


I am overjoyed that you “liked “ my first post.....its alway nice to gain new fans....
As for the rest Of your stuff? I give a hearty, Pffffttttt.....
Calling false Gospel Spreaders “ clowns” is pretty mild....Jesus called them “ Dogs”.... “ Vipers”.....”,Sons of Satan”, etc, and Paul called them “Perverts”..... and yes, calling out Spreaders Of Leaven( something God abhors! ) “ IS” something that is a Free Gift from God.....
 

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I am overjoyed that you “liked “ my first post.....its alway nice to gain new fans....
As for the rest Of your stuff? I give a hearty, Pffffttttt.....
Calling false Gospel Spreaders “ clowns” is pretty mild....Jesus called them “ Dogs”.... “ Vipers”.....”,Sons of Satan”, etc, and Paul called them “Perverts”..... and yes, calling out Spreaders Of Leaven( something God abhors! ) “ IS” something that is a Free Gift from God.....
The only problem is that you are saying this of people who are spreading the true gospel.

Romans 2:1-2, The Message:

Those people are on a dark spiral downward. But if you think that leaves you on the high ground where you can point your finger at others, think again. Every time you criticize someone, you condemn yourself. It takes one to know one. Judgmental criticism of others is a well-known way of escaping detection in your own crimes and misdemeanors. But God isn't so easily diverted. He sees through all such smoke screens and holds you to what you have done.
 

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so what did Peter tell those who had heard his first sermon on the Day of Pentecost, whose hearts were "convicted" of their sins? REPENT...for the forgiveness of sins", and only then they would receive "the Gift of the Holy Spirit", which is their "seal" of their salvation. They obeyed Peter and repented of their sins, and they were saved. this is what it says! Why would Jesus also make "repentance" from "sins" in Luke 24:47, if the two don't go together? Modern "salvation" is NOT from the Bible, but the devil has deceived some into a false "repentance"!


They got Saved when they obeyed Peter.....they “ Repented” all right......they had just murdered their Savior because they though He was a Blasphemer—- a mere man that claimed to be God in the Flesh! They needed to Repent Of the falsehood that Jesus was just a Sinful man who got what He deserved.....they needed to “ change their mind” ( Repent) about that and Believe that Jesus was who He said He was—- God's Son and our Savior—- THAT is what Saves ANYBODY! NOT Trying and Failing to overcome Sin in your life .....
AFTER one is Saved and gets the Holy Spirit in Him......THEN God can get to work and Transform you from the inside out and then the process of “overcoming Sin “ can begin to take place...it occurs over a lifetime.....AFTER Turning “ TO” God and NOT Turning “ FROM” Sin......Only the first “Turn” will insure the latter......it is Vital to get the order of events straight.....it will stop a lot of needless Confusion...REPENT! ( but do it correctly).....