You picked the long suffering one... Good on you.yes, a ONE Point Calvinist, only the P from T.U.L.I.P.
Biblical Salvation
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I can see that you had seen some light there.
God had done something to the hearts of those who were convicted through the Holy Spirit. He convinced them that they have done wrong and were wrong in not believing that He is the Christ, and believing that he is guilty of blasphemy, that they have crucified and killed Him.
So why is it that not all were convicted? Is God not able to do to all what He had done to the hearts of those who were convicted? So why?
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I think you have to settle that with yourself, if it is wrong or not to say that the one being born has nothing to do with his birth. Just think about when you were born into this world.
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amigo de christo
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Be on guard . cessationism is not true . Even if Macarthur does still teach some solid truths . Just remember cessationism is not true .
My advice is we increase our daily bible reading time along with prayer time . Believe me , GOD can clear things up for us real quickly .
You are loved addy . The truth is we never know what one does in the dark . But rest assured even if one was solid in the truth
SIN will surely be their down fall . WE must HEED JESUS . HE is able to give us aide through any temptation .
And if any does err , Confess , forsake , repent . AND look out for others as well . We who love the brethren , LOOK out for one another .
Well, it’s what birth is. Nobody ever gets to cause or get themselves be born, more so, be born again. Nicodemus asked Jesus about this birth from above.
And here’s the bottom line of what Jesus said in response:
“The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Do you see anything there that one does?
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amigo de christo
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I know that for a fact my friend . IT IS GOD alone who reaches out and convicts and changes the heart .
What most folks dont realize is , that even after GOD has reached out and often many recieve it with joy
SOME LUST comes along and they cant let it go and it hardens them , it chokes THE WORD right out of them .
This is why we must warn every bit as DID JESUS and those apostels about SIN . ITS DEADLY .
AND if we have the SPIRIT of CHRIST , would we not sound and Warn LIKE HE DID and those apostels did .
Folks are in dire trouble . THEY Think every time i warn one , that somehow its a works earning mentality .
WHEN IN TRUTH , ITS BY THE SPIRIT i am looking out for the lambs that i do love . Just like real lambs do .
FOR as GOD desires none to perish , SO TOO would those who are of HIM and HAVE the SPIRIT .
IF we have the SPIRIT then why do we not remind , LIKE JESUS did and the apostles , THAT YE MUST CONTINUE IN HIM
FIRM TO THE END . TOO many folks are trusting in acroynms and teachings of men . THEY OUTTA be LEARNING the biblical JESUS
and what those apostels taught . This GEN , aka generation whether within christendom or the world , IS IN DIRE PERIL and DIRE TROUBLE .
BUt on my watch folks are gonna be reminded both of the GOODNESS and SEVERITY OF GOD .
That we must continue IN HIM , FAITHFUL TO THE END , or be prepared to hear at our end , DEPART FROM ME ye WOKERS OF INQUITY .
Jesus Christ is here saying that when a person is born again, it is not an outward thing, like entering the womb for a second time. It is not physical but spiritual. This has nothing to do with the sinner not being required to "repent and believe", which Jesus Himself says in Mark 1:15. You cannot take verses on their own, and try to form a doctrine from it. Peter in Acts 2 told those who asked, "what shall we DO", that they must REPENT.
But God has made it so, that the sinner still needs to respond. It is not automatic as though we are machines.
amigo de christo
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can you remember when you were first drawn .
I can . very clear . one day i was just doing my normal sin to sin life
and then suddenly a still small stirring began within me , and RIGHT TO GOD and in that bible i was drawn .
REPENTANCE already being done . GOD changed my heart . I did not . HE DID . HE changed my direction . I DID NOT .
HE DID . IT truly was the work of GOD . God put a desire in my heart to SEEK HIM OUT , TO LOVE TRUTH
and all those old sin loves i once had , I desired no more .
Now of course the flesh does still try and rise up and pop evil thoughts into my head .
BUT my point is , GOD , IT Was HE ALONE who drew and changed me .
Now of course HE put a love for the truth in that bible . OH how pure it is .
SOmething else occured too . As i reading daily , with much joy and love
i also began to see something more and more clearly . How much i truly , and i mean truly did need a savoir .
IT was as though through the Spirit , through reading that bible , GOD was showing me just how wretched i truly am
and that there is nothing good in me , BUT the SPIRIT and HOW DIRE I NEED TO CLING TO JESUS FOR ANY KIND OF HOPE .
It was a beauty all right . AND yes many do fall way . DUE TO SIN . Lust , once it pops in our head , WE BETTER
HEED the SPIRIT and crucify it , before it leads to sin . IF it does lead us to sin , we had better repent fast .
CAUSE SIN is super deadly and it will harden a heart . OH but praise GOD , HOW HE has always been my HELP and my strenght .
AND always does the SPIRIT bid me to cease from the evil thought and if i do err , i have no sleep till i repent of that error .
amigo de christo
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OH believe you me , I am not of calvin in any way shape or form .
When he was teaching tulips , he outta have kept his two lips closed on some things .
The man was and is dangerous . ANd yes , even He , even the popes can speak SOME truths . BUT HEED THEM NOT .
For they speak not THE TRUTH .
If we accepted the passage telling us names were written before the foundation of this world, would God's sovereign all knowing nature be sustained if a name could later be erased by God?
Hidden In Him
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No.
But only one of us is accepting that the names are written in from the foundation of the world. Again, that's going off of an interpretation of the verses in question that I feel is not supported. Here is another passage, and the meaning is the same. What is referred to as being true from the foundation of the earth is God's plan that the Lamb would be slain for the sins of man:7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Revelation 13:7-8)
Good afternoon, btw.
Ronald David Bruno
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1. We were blind. Jesus said, No one comes to the Father unless He draws them first.
2. God draws us through a series of ordained events, people that come in our lives to spread the Word. And FAITH does come by the Word. So He draws us to this divine appointment. But how are we to understand what is going on, where we are going, and how are we to see our sins unless He opens our eyes first?
3. So He enables us by lifting the veil of blindness. We start seeing things differently but still not sure ... curious, we turn to Him (repent) ... He continues to draw us. This drawing power can be referred to as calling us and we hear His voice. He knocks at the door and you open it.
4. However it happens, friends invite you to church, you go to a Harvest Crusade or hear a sermon on the radio or TV, the Word strikes a chord, tugs at your heart, but still don't know for sure. People around you are praying for you. You still have reservations, thinking there is a logical explanation, your rational mind battles against this calling.
5. At some point, you here the story, could be weeks or months down this path and you begin to believe, (though carrying many doubts). You begin to look at yourself and see your sins. This godly sorrow comes over you and you realize you need forgiveness. So somewhere along the way the pride is shattered and you are humbled, because it is in humility that you come to the Lord. You are encouraged to surrender, go forward to receive the Lord's forgiveness and gift of eternal life. Hesitant, fighting the urge (as some say they were dragged down the isle), you go.
6. You continue to read, learn, it's new and exciting - you're enlightened and you grow hungry. You have a relationship with God, You pray. After weeks, maybe months you decide to get Water Baptized, an outward expression of an Inward Spiritual Cleansing. Does anything happen? Does the Holy Spirit live in you? As you asked Jesus in your heart, you also ask the Father for the Holy Spirit. We are baptized by the Holy Spirit at different times during this process, so it is not the same with everyone. Nevertheless, God is active and with you the whole way.
The point is, He draws us FIRST when we are ready in life and at a specific time opens our eyes (lifts the veil). The whole courtship is prepared in advance. Gradually we become knowledgeable, it all starts to make sense, and the TRUTH dissolves all the blindness and eventually the doubts and numerous questions are answered. Then we say YES to the LORD.
I am not a Calvinist nor an Armenian, just a Christian who knows that without God we can do nothing.
Hidden In Him
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Help me understand why you would believe God might actually make such decisions for us. My mind goes back to the verses like Joshua 24:15 and Deuteronomy 30:15-20, where He told the Israelites, "Choose you this day whom you will serve" and also "choose you this day life or death."
If such choices were not ours, He would be sinning against us by insinuating that they were, when they were actually not.
But why do you feel it might be this way?
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Good afternoon to you also. I don't think we can say there is no support for the Book written from the foundation of the world. Which is when the lamb was slain. Rev. 13:8. That book seems to tell the world that damnation was predestined when the names of those God would save were written before the world was created,put on its foundation.No.
7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Revelation 13:7-8)
Good afternoon, btw.
Ephesians 1, Romans 8 & 9.
Quite the opposite. Since names are "blotted out" or removed from the Book of Life as deemed fit by God, every human being is written in the Book of Life until that person rejects Christ and the Gospel, and fails to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, therefore He commands repentance to all men everywhere. God desires the salvation of all, but those who disobey the Gospel condemn themselves to Hell. And it is then that their names are blotted out from the Lamb's Book of Life (or the Book of Life).
Why would you think God can sin against us? And why do you choose to ignore what God tells us of himself? Is there any choice that is unknown to God that has foreordained everything? The majority of the bible is prophecy received from God. How does that all come to pass? Because God is giving us insights to his plans already made. Foreordained means, to know beforehand. And predestination coincides. Why do you deny what God says of himself?
