Strong Delusion

Timtofly · Mar 28, 2021

n2thelight said:
Mostly Christians will be deceived, as the rest of the world already are , the delusion is for their own good, so they won't be damned

I think you mean held accountable.

Atonement is not a product of deception.

That is why Oseas is being judgmental.

Science is the one an only method Satan has gambled with since 500 BC. So far it seems to have deceived the entire scope of humanity. Perhaps some unreached tribes in remotes jungles have been safe from this deception.

Yes there have been heretical doctrines in the church, but the earth as a whole could care less about God's Word than their daily survival. Science would also deceive the church because today it is the least expected source of deception. The cares of life is what we were warned against the most throughout Scripture. Life sneaks up on many because that is the nature of life.

n2thelight · Mar 29, 2021

Oseas said:
Many things. Many things. There is a list of happenings. I will also ask you one thing; and answer me: How many years are counted from Adam to the beginning of the millennium? How many millennia does it correspond to, according to the Scriptures?

I would say 6000, ie, six days as the seventh Day starts the millennium which is the return of Christ, the Day of the Lord!!

On the many many things happening in the millennium , one important question , will we be in flesh or spirit ? Asking for a reason..

n2thelight · Mar 29, 2021

Timtofly said:
I think you mean held accountable.

Atonement is not a product of deception.

That is why Oseas is being judgmental.

Science is the one an only method Satan has gambled with since 500 BC. So far it seems to have deceived the entire scope of humanity. Perhaps some unreached tribes in remotes jungles have been safe from this deception.

Yes there have been heretical doctrines in the church, but the earth as a whole could care less about God's Word than their daily survival. Science would also deceive the church because today it is the least expected source of deception. The cares of life is what we were warned against the most throughout Scripture. Life sneaks up on many because that is the nature of life.

When satan gets kicked out of Heaven , along with his angels it will be the greatest supernatural event to happen in the history of mankind ,rivaling only when they came in Gen 6 .

satan is coming to this earth at the 6th seal 6th vial and 6th trump ,not in your mind , but rather him , live and in person, he will not posses some mere mortal man , but it will be him in his angelic form, the most beautiful of God's creation , he was second behind Christ, the problem came when he wanted to be Christ. What one must understand is , this all took place (rebellion)before mankind was made flesh .

The reason for the delusion is the fact that all the world will believe satan to be Christ, ALL those not sealed , like I said earlier only Christians can be deceived and they will go from a virgin Bride to a babylonian whore .

Most will come out of her as the Holy Spirit will speak through the sealed of God , the next time true tongues will be spoken ,one must however ,come out before the true Christ returns at 777

In other words the delusion if to protect those who follow satan thinking he is Christ from their own good

Oseas · Mar 30, 2021

n2thelight said:
I would say 6000, ie, six days as the seventh Day starts the millennium which is the return of Christ, the Day of the Lord!!

True. In fact from Adam until JESUS passed around 4,000 years or four days. From JESUS until our days passed around 2,000 years plus 20 years according Christian calendar. Total from Adam until our days is around 6,020 years.

That said, we must understand that a new Day started, from year 6,000 to the year 7,000, that is the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, but it goes still downing.

Also we can say that we are living in the beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Day of the righteous Judgment of GOD, the Judgment Seat of Christ. As was prophesied, the Judgment was (will be) given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom-Daniel 7:v.22.

Daniel 7:v.25-26
26 The Judgment shall sit, and they -the saints of the Most High- shall take away the dominion (of the Devil), to consume and to destroy it unto the END.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

We must say yet that our Lord JESUS, the KING of kings(kings made by Him) and LORD of lords (there are many lords) He has just assumed the control of the Universe (Acts 3:v.19 to 26), while GOD the Father rests of His works as He planned since the beginning of His works.

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.- Revelation 11:v.15
The NATIONS will be angry, wrathed... Revelation 11:v.18

The red Dragon, the old Serpent, called the Devil and Satan, will be cast into the bottomless pit, and will be shut up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more- Alleluiaaa! -, till the thousand years should be fulfilled. - Revelation 20:v.1-4
The power to throw the Devil into the abyss is in the Word of God, the Word is God, God is the Truth. Only Truth, the true Word of God, is able to overthrow or throw the Devil into the abyss, and to defeat him with his angels, his messengers.-2 Corinthians 11: 13-15 combined with
Revelation 12: v.7 to 12.

The time is of total War until the END of all things, actually everything will be entirely undone, dismantled, DISSOLVED forever, even the entire world of the Devil, including even the two Concerts - Old and New Testaments will be dissolved, annihilated - 2 Pe. 3: v.7 to 14-, and Satan will be imprisoned until the END of the millennium - Rev.20: v.1-4.

Psalms 90:v.12
12 - Teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
Amen.

To the only wise God our Savior, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.
Jude 1

n2thelight said:
On the many many things happening in the millennium , one important question , will we be in flesh or spirit ? Asking for a reason..

How do you think JESUS's body be? What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD. The Word says: When He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

I will not quote several Scriptures that give us perfect understanding and they answer your question. Here goes some examples for your meditation and understanding, if you do you will get to a conclusion by your own: Doubts? Feel free to ask questions.

Here goes Scriptures:
We will see Him as He is. How is He or His body? We have an interesting vision in Luke 20:v.36 to 49 combined with Philippians 3:v.20-21, and 1 John 3:v.2-3 combined with Genesis 1:v.26-27, and with Romans 4:v.17, and Hebrews 4:v3, and 1 Corinthians 15:v.51-58, and Romans 8:v.18-19 and 28-30, among others.

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings(kings made by Him), and LORD of lords

GOD bless all brothers in Christ

Amen

Davy · Apr 5, 2021

Timtofly said:
There has only been this world created out of nothing. The angels are the stars placed in the firmament. Even God placed a figurative word into Genesis 1:16, "and the stars". Job says the morning stars and the sons of God sang together: Job 38:4-7

4 “Where were you when I founded the earth?
Tell me, if you know so much.
5 Do you know who determined its dimensions
or who stretched the measuring line across it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

All of creation happened in the same week. There was no prior "world". The angels only had a 2 day head start. There was no sin or rebellion until after Adam disobeyed God. Then the angels rebelled.

Like I said, you just don't understand, but have succumbed to man-made traditions loosely based from God's Word.

In 2 Peter 3, Peter pointed to 3 earth world ages, not just 1:

1. "the world that then was"
2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now"
3. "new heavens and a new earth"

2 Peter 3:5-6
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
KJV

That passage in red is a direct reference to this...

Gen 1:6-10
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
KJV

At what point was the earth standing "out of the water and in the water"? At that point right there in Genesis 1, when God moved the waters left upon the earth, and the earth under it appeared (actually re-appeared, for the earth was there all the time, all the way back at Genesis 1:2). That description of the earth standing in and out of the water is pointing directly to Genesis 1, not to Noah's time.

And per Ezekiel 28, with God giving a parable about Satan using the flesh king and prince of Tyre, that was about the time when God created Satan perfect in his ways, as written there, and Satan then served God at His Altar. So if you think by the time of Adam and Eve in God's Garden that Satan was still serving God and had not rebelled, then you are NOT reading from GOD'S WORD, but from the devil's word.

Oseas · Apr 6, 2021

Hi Greetings
I like to decipher Gods' enigmas - mysteries -

I would like to comment about the "God's Plan and the works of restoring or restitution of all things to the perfection of Genesis 1", remembering the prophetical message of Acts 3:v.19-21 on the restitution, whose message was written around 4,000 years after Genesis, and also to comment the events of Genesis until present time, it means until this seventh and last Day - the Lord's Day-, as follow:
Acts 3:v.19 to 21
v.19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
v.20 And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
v.21 Whom the heaven-the third heaven-must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which GOD hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. ---> (Well, the times of RESTITUTION or RESTORATION of all things arrived, that is the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day or seventh and last millennium).

Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning, God created the heavens(four(4) heavens) and the earth. -

The mystery of GOD's Plan revealed to Moses: Genesis 1:1 and so on; - 1 - In the beginning, God created the heavens(four(4) heavens) and the earth.

The mystery of Genesis - that is a revelation of God's plan of restoration of all things which had been destroyed times ago in the God's Garden - the Garden of Eden - , even the restoration of MAN that God had made to live in Eden.

What I think interesting and wonderful is the fact that God revealed that mystery to Moses only around 2,500 years or two Days and half, after He had started His works of restoration. This is the first detail that I pick out for comment and to emphasize.
Therefore, when God revealed Genesis to Moses, God had already made all His works of the 1st Day, and of the 2nd Day, so 2,000 years of work, right? (two Days -2,000 years- but there is a gap of 500 years from the events occurred in the Garden of Eden until GOD starts His works of the first Day, this which I will try to explain further below).

Another detail that I highlight in Genesis is when God finished His works of the first Day, as He revealed to Moses.
In fact, literally GOD started to work from the middle of the first Day, that was in the evening, and finished in the morning of the next Day, and were the FIRST Day (of 1,000 years of work), as is written in the verse 5, right?

That said, a third detail arises: I concluded that there was a gap of 500 years from Eden and the beginning/ starting of God's work of restoration-Genesis 1. In other words, the works of FIRST Day of God's creation was from year 500 to 1500. In that occasion or around 1,500 years of Gods' works, Noah was about 456 years old, and when he was 500 years old, Noah started to build the Ark for his salvation and his family, as God's commanded. On the other hand, in the same occasion, God's children ruled by a Cherub in Eden had become completely corrupted as is written in Genesis 6- as God revealed to Moses.

In accord Scriptures, the Flood occurred around year 1656, yes, Scriptures prove it. Therefore, the 1st Day of God's works had ended, and the 2nd started from around 1,500, in the exact time of Noah, and finished in the year 2,500, in the time of Moses, as God revealed to Moses. I think this marvelous.

Later, after the Flood, or about 2,080 years of works, as GOD revealed to Moses, He called Abram, because the Most High God had planned to form - to create - a nation for Himself exclusively. Abram was the God's chosen, and from the seed of Abram, God Almighty would go to work and executing His plan in to have a peculiar nation for Himself. Then from Abraham and Sara GOD made be born Isaac, and from Isaac, Jacob, and from Jacob his twelve sons. Time after Jacob and family went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons, and in the Egypt the Lord God - in continuation of His works of the second Day - made them as the stars of heaven in multitude, and then was born Moses around 427 years after Abraham, or around year 2,500 of God's works in His Plan of restoration, that is in the middle of the third Day, i.e. from 2,000 to 3,000 years of works.

Note that Moses wrote every things which GOD revealed unto him, i.e. of all works He had made since the FIRST Day, lets say, from year zero. But the most important detail GOD revealed to Moses is about the beginning. Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning, God created the heavens (four(4) heavens) and the earth, that is, in JESUS God created the heavens and the earth; without JESUS was not any thing made that was made, right?

Hebrews 1:v.1-2
- 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, -
- 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 1:v.3 All things were made by Him-by JESUS-; and without Him-without JESUS- was not any thing made that was made.

Why did God say to Moses as is written in Genesis 1:1-"in the beginning", and not "in JESUS"? Yes, why?

Oseas · Apr 6, 2021

Continuation from above

Why did God say to Moses as is written in Genesis 1:1-"in the beginning", and not "in JESUS"? Yes, why?

Now, now, it because the name of JESUS could not be revealed in that moment, in that occasion, evidently. In the beginning -JESUS- was the Word, and the Word was God, and was with God-JESUS.

In fact, the NAME of JESUS would be revealed only and only in the fourth Day, or after 4,000 years of creation, as God said to Moses, and Moses spoke of JESUS in the verse 16, not by NAME but as the Greater Light. Greater Light has nothing to do with the sun of a 24hours day, and the Lesser Light has nothing to do with the moon that receives light of the sun to be visible. Spiritually, the Lesser Light is the person of Holy Spirit- he receives light of the Greater Light-JESUS-, as said JESUS in John 16:v.12-15, right? Check it out.

Again: "In the beginning God created heavens...", yes, in JESUS He created the 1st, the 2nd and the 3rd heavens, and the fourth heaven, that is the heaven of the heavens, understand? However, until today, until this present time, God-JESUS- made the ONLY the first two heavens, in fact, two heavenly places have already been planted by GOD here on Earth(Isaiah 51:v.16 and 40:v.22) until the present time here in the earth. The next will be the third heaven, the Kingdom of God(Luke 20:v.35-36 and Revelation 11:v.15 to 18. Check it out)

The third heaven, which was visited by the Apostle Paul, it is the next heaven, that is the next celestial environment, the environment of the Kingdom of God, that will be still established or planted here in the Earth-1Cor.15:v.24-26 and Revelation 11:v.15. Check it out. JESUS said: Luke 20:v.35-36: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

What will happen from now on?
- Now see, the first two heavenly places - the Old and New Covenants- will be DISSOLVED or DISMANTLED in the days ahead -2Peter 3:v.7 and 11-13;
- The Kingdom of God will be"planted"/established in the earth (Revelation 5:v.10; 11:v.15-18 among others);
- The heaven of the heavens will be established or planted only after the Millennium of Christ and will be Eternal. Revelation 20:v.7-15;
- Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years be fulfilled;
- And so on

In my view, we are already living in the beginning of the seventh and last Day, or in the beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ, the millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the millennium of Vengeance-2 Thessalonians 1:v.7-12.

May our God bless and keep us, and give us His protection

Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible(the Word is God), the only Wise God, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.

In Christ
Oseas

Philip James · Apr 6, 2021

n2thelight said:
When satan gets kicked out of Heaven , along with his angels it will be the greatest supernatural event to happen in the history of mankind ,rivaling only when they came in Gen 6 .

Hello n2,

When? Why would one think that has not already happened?

How can anyone enter a strong man's house and steal his property, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.

Happy Easter!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

n2thelight · Apr 6, 2021

Philip James said:
Hello n2,

When? Why would one think that has not already happened?

How can anyone enter a strong man's house and steal his property, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.

Happy Easter!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

satan gets kicked out at 666, one should not think that has already happened , for the simple fact ,we have not seen him or his angels doing his supernatural , as per the below

Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."

Oseas · Apr 7, 2021

Philip James said:
Hello n2,
When? Why would one think that has not already happened?

How can anyone enter a strong man's house and steal his property, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.

Happy Easter!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

What does the Word of GOD say?

Revelation 12:v.7 to 9

7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon; and the Dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan (who has seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads as is written in the verses 3 and 4), which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels (his messengers-2 Corinthians 11:v.13 to 15) were cast out with him.

The War described above will happen from now on/henceforward, in the current time of Apocalypse.
JESUS foresaw this event as revealed in Luke 10: v.18 when the disciples told Him that by His name even the demons subjected them -

Luke 10:v.16 to 18
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

Revelation 12:v.10-12
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Timtofly · Apr 8, 2021

Davy said:
Like I said, you just don't understand, but have succumbed to man-made traditions loosely based from God's Word.

In 2 Peter 3, Peter pointed to 3 earth world ages, not just 1:

1. "the world that then was"
2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now"
3. "new heavens and a new earth"

2 Peter 3:5-6
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
KJV

That passage in red is a direct reference to this...

Gen 1:6-10
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
KJV

At what point was the earth standing "out of the water and in the water"? At that point right there in Genesis 1, when God moved the waters left upon the earth, and the earth under it appeared (actually re-appeared, for the earth was there all the time, all the way back at Genesis 1:2). That description of the earth standing in and out of the water is pointing directly to Genesis 1, not to Noah's time.

And per Ezekiel 28, with God giving a parable about Satan using the flesh king and prince of Tyre, that was about the time when God created Satan perfect in his ways, as written there, and Satan then served God at His Altar. So if you think by the time of Adam and Eve in God's Garden that Satan was still serving God and had not rebelled, then you are NOT reading from GOD'S WORD, but from the devil's word.

Peter was talking about the Flood of Noah's day.

Oseas · Apr 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
Peter was talking about the Flood of Noah's day.

Speaking of Noah's days, the Bible verses below are among the most cited in recent times. What lesson can we learn from them?
Luke 17: v. 26-27
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man.
27 They ate, drank, married, gave in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark, the flood came and destroyed them all.

As we can see, the society of that time had a "modus vivendi", let's say common, natural, or a normal way of life, "They ate, they drank, married, gave in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark".

If we analyze it well, we would say that the 'modus vivendi' of society in recent times, say around 1,950 to 1,985, was similar to society in the days of Noah. It was common to eat and drink due to the development of large malls at that time, it was common the celebration and weddings, and the existence of strong family ties, as in the days of Noah or days before the flood.

But both society, be at the time of Noah - Genesis 6:v.1-8, be the recent society of 1,950 to 1,985, as time went by, began to deteriorate morally, especially among let's say "the believers", called children of God, who were mixing their seed with the seed of the evil ones, giving rise to a corrupt and evil society, most likely due to the proliferation of adulterers, and adulteresses. And the punishment came, yes, the flood came and only 8 people were saved by the Ark.

Comparing the society of the days of Noah or days before the flood, with a posterior society existent in Sodom and Gomorrah, and neighboring cities, at the time of Lot, Abraham's nephew, let's see the differences, according Scriptures below:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~JESUS said: Luke 17: v.28-30 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day (in the current time) when the Son of man is revealed.

.............society of Noah's day .............. society of Sodom/Gomorrah......

~~~~~~~~~~~ they ate and drank ~~~~~~~~------~~ they ate and drank

~~~~~~~~ they married and gave in marriage ~~~~ they bought and sold

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-x-x-x- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ they planted and built

As we can see, the differences are great between the society of Noah's day, and days of Sodom and Gomorrah, and neighboring cities. See, the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly-Genesis 13:v.13. They were wicked, and corrupt, and immoral exceedingly, There was no marriage between them, the society was polluted of prostitutes, and sodomites or effeminate(gays), the society was infested of prostitution and great sinners. The just Lot was vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds-2 Peter 2:v.7-8 combined with Jude 1:v.6-7.

That said:

We can conclude that the recent society similar to the Noah's day lived around 1,950 to l,985, since then and until today have developed itself a society similar to the society of Sodom and Gomorrah, a wicked, and corrupt, and violent society, large proliferation of prostitution, same-sex marriage, use of resources for transgender mutation, at last a countless satanic forms of transformation for a exceedingly sinful life.
JESUS left very clear, saying: And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Matt.19:v.9

The God's view of societies and His providence- 2 Peter 2:v.4-6

4 .. God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto Judgment;

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

God's providence in the current time and it is already running

It will not be different now and God will destroy the world of Devil as a whole, by entire, and the works that are therein will be burned with everlasting fire, for the fire never shall be quenched, their worm will never die, and the fire will never be quenched.

JESUS said: Luke 20:v.35-36

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world(next world, the Kingdom of God-, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection
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Amen

Oseas · Apr 12, 2021

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~THE WORD IS GOD~~~~~~~~~~~~~

n2thelight · Apr 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
Peter was talking about the Flood of Noah's day.

No he was not

Timtofly · Apr 13, 2021

n2thelight said:
No he was not

God did not destroy the world in Noah's Day? That means God lied to Moses. God declares He only destroyed the world once with water. The next time it would be with fire.

Keraz · Apr 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
God did not destroy the world in Noah's Day? That means God lied to Moses. God declares He only destroyed the world once with water. The next time it would be with fire.

Correct.
But on the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, as 2 Peter 3:7 says, the world won't be totally destroyed, most people will survive, as Revelation 6:12-17 describes. Only the Middle East region, will be virtually depopulated. Zephaniah 2:4, Zephaniah 1:18

Not until after the Millennium, will the old earth be destroyed, 2 Peter 3:12-13, and then the New heavens and earth appears.

Stumpmaster · Apr 13, 2021

Timtofly said:
That means God lied to Moses.

Timtofly. Aside from the blasphemous implications that God ever lies, I am wondering what you think God lied to Moses about since it is not clear from your post.

The use of "world" to describe lifeforms plus the habitats, conditions, and cultures of these is well established, in Scripture and everyday parlance.

2Pe 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Gen 7:21-23 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth, and every man: (22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. (23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Timtofly · Apr 14, 2021

Stumpmaster said:
Timtofly. Aside from the blasphemous implications that God ever lies, I am wondering what you think God lied to Moses about since it is not clear from your post.

The use of "world" to describe lifeforms plus the habitats, conditions, and cultures of these is well established, in Scripture and everyday parlance.

2Pe 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Gen 7:21-23 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth, and every man: (22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. (23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

The claim is that Peter was not talking about Noah's Flood. "God destroyed the earth twice with water" is not correct. God claims to have only destroyed the earth with water 1 time. The next time will be with fire.

Stumpmaster · Apr 14, 2021

Timtofly said:
The claim is that Peter was not talking about Noah's Flood. "God destroyed the earth twice with water" is not correct. God claims to have only destroyed the earth with water 1 time. The next time will be with fire.

Agreed, but where does Moses come into it, or was that a typo in this quote from you earlier?

Timtofly said:
God did not destroy the world in Noah's Day? That means God lied to Moses. God declares He only destroyed the world once with water. The next time it would be with fire.

Amazed@grace · Apr 14, 2021

quietthinker said:
In John 8:31-59 Jesus addresses the Jews who believed in him....you might like to familiarise yourself with this anew

That is not what is trevealed in that linked scripture. Just the opposite in fact.

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