Can anyone point me to a ministry or minister who is NOT a "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing?

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Just find one that teaches why you can't lose your salvation, basing this truth on the fact that you can't stop being born again, and stressing that the blood of Jesus that made you right with God, always does.
Find that teacher-preacher-pastor, and you are home.
And by using that theology of truth, you find out who the deceivers are, and you can avoid them.

They might be somewhere but not in biblical truth if they’re taught OSAS:

Paul warns the church at Corinth to make sure they aren’t reprobates.

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

He warns that some of the church that think they’re in the faith can actually have become reprobates.

The word reprobates is ADOKIMOS in the Greek, which becomes important in the verse where Paul himself says he has to subjugate his flesh (the flesh is worldly desires to sin) daily, lest after preaching salvation to others, he end up a castaway.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring itinto subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY.


The word castaway is ADOKIMOS in the Greek - reprobate - rejected by God as one who failed the test.


Paul said he would end up a reprobate if he didn’t subjugate his flesh with its sinful desires, daily.


Paul never taught unconditional eternal security - in fact he taught the opposite.


Paul makes clear that AFTERwe have been saved, there is a continuing conflict between our wanting to walk in the flesh, (that wants us to live in sin)- and our desire to walk after the Holy Spirit that now dwells in us - and Paul warns that choosing to live in sins (works of the flesh), will keep us out of heaven:


Gal 5:16 ThisI say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these;Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.


Paul warns us over and over, that if we believers choose to walk after the flesh, we will die spiritually - but if we choose to walk after the spirit, we will have everlasting life:


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded isDEATH, but to be spiritually minded isLIFE and peace.


Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind isENMITY against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Verse 8:7 Paul warns above, that having a carnal mind is ENMITY against God, meaning you actually become Gods ENEMY.


Will God let His enemies into heaven?


Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is ENMITY with God? whosoever therefore will be a FRIEND OF THE WORLD is the ENEMY of God.


The verse above says sexual sins and being worldly, makes you Gods ENEMY.


Will God welcome His enemies into heaven?


Scripture clearly shows that continuing to remain in Christ is conditional on us 1) continuing to walk in the light, as He is in the light, and 2) continuing to walk after the spirit, instead of after the flesh.


In the two verses below, I include the conditional part of these scriptures that are always left out by hyper-grace, OSAS teachers.


1Jn 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


The word IF makes it a conditional statement.


The blood of Jesus cleansing the believer is conditional on their choosing to continue to walk in the light, as He is in the light.


Next:

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, , but after the Spirit.


Having no condemnation, and remaining in Christ, is conditional upon continuing to walk after the Spirit, and not after the flesh.


Unconditional eternal security is not in the scriptures.
 

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Interesting where the Wolves in Sheep's Clothing show up - to any critical thinking mind, you would conclude the Wolves keep in your the Wide Gate to Death - not the Narrow Way to Life:

I'm wondering if anyone knows any ministry or minister that believes in Life and not Death - Matthew 7:13-15
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

You’re taking one fact in scripture and making a big doctrine out of it.

I could list dozens of preachers who teach that believers will be resurrected and get immortal bodies one day, and that those who are alive at the rapture and resurrection when Jesus returns, will also be caught up and receive immortal bodies without dying physically.

If you want to focus on something, focus on the gospel for salvation.
 

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You’re taking one fact in scripture and making a big doctrine out of it.

I could list dozens of preachers who teach that believers will be resurrected and get immortal bodies one day, and that those who are alive at the rapture and resurrection when Jesus returns, will also be caught up and receive immortal bodies without dying physically.

If you want to focus on something, focus on the gospel for salvation.

This poster has been banned for heresy here and elsewhere
 

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Welcome to the Boards, @Curtis.

Paul warns many times for us to BE NOT DECEIVED about the consequences of living a sinful lifestyle as a Christian- I’ll go with the full counsel of scripture that some believe for awhile and then fall away, even some in Hebrews who had been sanctified before they fell into complete apostasy, that walking after the flesh keeps believers out of heaven, and so much more, over proof texts out of context.
 
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Paul warns many times for us to BE NOT DECEIVED about the consequences of living a sinful lifestyle as a Christian- I’ll go with the full counsel of scripture that some believe for awhile and then fall away, even some in Hebrews who had been sanctified before they fell into complete apostasy, that walking after the flesh keeps believers out of heaven, and so much more, over proof texts out of context.
That is faithful to the word.

Of course, there is the other side of the coin also, in verses like John 5:24 (kjv); which tell us that if we hear Jesus' word and believe on Him who sent Him, we shall not come into condemnation but have passed from death into everlasting life.

Everlasting life being life that can never come to an end....otherwise it would have been defined as temporal.
 

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Interesting where the Wolves in Sheep's Clothing show up - to any critical thinking mind, you would conclude the Wolves keep in your the Wide Gate to Death - not the Narrow Way to Life:

I'm wondering if anyone knows any ministry or minister that believes in Life and not Death - Matthew 7:13-15
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
I would say the current television pastors are all false as money worshipers. Those denominations that take their names from their founders who interpreted the words of Christ their way are wolfish as well. Traditional local churches are your better option. Go and visit each one and see if their ministry comports with scripture and let's you feel at home. If you find a church that tells you salvation is not eternal, that is a den of wolves speaking. Run!
 

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That is faithful to the word.

Of course, there is the other side of the coin also, in verses like John 5:24 (kjv); which tell us that if we hear Jesus' word and believe on Him who sent Him, we shall not come into condemnation but have passed from death into everlasting life.

Everlasting life being life that can never come to an end....otherwise it would have been defined as temporal.

Everything pertaining to remaining in everlasting life and remaining in Christ is predicated on continuing to walk after the spirit, and not after the flesh, and continuing to walk in the light as He is in the light.

There is no promise that those who fall back into a life of sin, or who stop believing, will remain saved, but in fact we are warned over and over again, to not let OSAS deceive us that we can mock God by sowing to the flesh.

Paul in fact states that he has to subjugate and control his flesh daily, lest after preaching to others, he end up a reprobate - and warns the church at Corinth to examine themselves and make sure they haven’t become reprobates

Notice that white robes are the righteousness of saints:

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints

Believers get white robes, but can defile their robes - if they defile their robes, their names are blotted out of the book of life.

Most of those in the church at Sardis had defiled their white robes:

Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Jesus also warned some churches in Revelation that many of them had soiled their robes, and some others had lost them completely, and were naked.


Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:


Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

What’s sad is those in Revelation 3:17-18 were naked, but thought they were clothed.

They did something to defile their garments, that they mistakenly thought was ok with God.

In other words, they believed they could
live a sinful life, and remain in Christ.
 
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Everything pertaining to remaining in everlasting life and remaining in Christ is predicated on continuing to walk after the spirit, and not after the flesh, and continuing to walk in the light as He is in the light.

There is no promise that those who fall back into a life of sin, or who stop believing, will remain saved, but in fact we are warned over and over again, to not let OSAS deceive us that we can mock God by sowing to the flesh.

Paul in fact states that he has to subjugate and control his flesh daily, lest after preaching to others, he end up a reprobate - and warns the church at Corinth to examine themselves and make sure they haven’t become reprobates

Notice that white robes are the righteousness of saints:

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints

Believers get white robes, but can defile their robes - if they defile their robes, their names are blotted out of the book of life.

Most of those in the church at Sardis had defiled their white robes:

Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Jesus also warned some churches in Revelation that many of them had soiled their robes, and some others had lost them completely, and were naked.


Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:


Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

What’s sad is those in Revelation 3:17-18 were naked, but thought they were clothed.

They did something to defile their garments, that they mistakenly thought was ok with God.

In other words, they believed they could
live a sinful life, and remain in Christ.
Yes, it would indicate that a genuine faith in Christ and the Father will make a person born of God according to the definition that we find in 1 John 3:9...that the Lord will make them into a new creature in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17 (kjv)).
 
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Once Truly Born Again then you are Saved, no one can pluck you out of Jesus Hand. OSAS is then true.

But water baptism does not mean one is Saved, nor does being a Priest make one Truly Saved, they are saved under Grace that they may take part in the word and religion for their Sins repenting of their illness blighted curse of the Stain of Original Sin. They are part of Gods people the faithful and may get to Heaven but that's not what we were called for ? not to mention not all will advance to be truly born again, but that is the hope for all to be blessed as such, as we know that The Saints truly shine forth ! Glory Glory Hallelujah, Glory Glory Hallelujah, Glory Glory Hallelujah ! his Truth is marching on !

What True Saint of God played 2ed fiddle to mans works. Non ! Hell will frozen over before that happens, I can assure you.
 

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That does not work either since they don't know what Salvation is -
They all believe in being "Unclothed" not "Clothed Upon" - II Cor 5:2-4

A person who teaches you that the Blood of Jesus that saved you, keeps you saved.....
Or, that God who saved you, will complete your salvation. Philippians 1:6

Or that Jesus is the One who will finish your faith..... Hebrews 12:2

See that Theology? See How that gives all credit for Salvation to GOD and Christ , and gives none of it to the person?
That is "Pauline Theology"....
This is "justification by Faith".

So, anyone who teaches you what i just did, is a person you can KNOW understand the Blood Atonement.
This is a person who will teach you Romans 3:21-38, and will ground you in Hebrews 13:9.

Find that Leader, and you have found the right path.
 

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They might be somewhere but not in biblical truth if they’re taught OSAS:
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Jesus is Eternal Life.
If a person has Jesus, they have eternal life.
Salvation, is not a temporary condition, nor is eternal life.
If you are born again, you are always born again, which means that you can never be as you were before.

Devil led Heretics teach that Salvation is only as good as the person's behavior or the person's faith.
God teaches that the Person is as PURE as God's Righteousness, being Made Righteous through the Blood Atonement.
 

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Those who have everlasting life have an everlasting faith.

If anyone ceases to have faith in Jesus, they cease to have Jesus and they cease to have life (1 John 5:12).

Because we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:1-2); and we are saved by grace through faith.

If you cease to have faith, you cease to have access to grace; and therefore are no longer saved in such a situation; whether it be real or hypothetical.
 

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Interesting where the Wolves in Sheep's Clothing show up - to any critical thinking mind, you would conclude the Wolves keep in your the Wide Gate to Death - not the Narrow Way to Life:

I'm wondering if anyone knows any ministry or minister that believes in Life and not Death - Matthew 7:13-15
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


Research your local churches as well as those further afield on line. Look at their mission statements and 'about us' pages. Have a look to see if there are any personal testimonies of their sites.
 

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In Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:27, and 1 John 5:12 it speaks of Christ dwelling in the believer.

But I agree that this is the Holy Spirit; for there is only one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).

When you see teh Father, you see the son and also the spirit they are One!