O House Of Israel, Where Are You?

Davy said:

Back when I had a website, a Christian pastor from Scotland sent me a news article about a DNA study done to quell the old argument by the Anglo-Saxons who claim they are a different race than the Celts. The study showed that the European Caucasian peoples, including the Anglo-Saxons, were all from the same root-stock people.

This jives with the history of the migrations of the Cimmerian and Scythian tribes into Asia Minor and Europe from the east. To this day, the field of anthropology well knows the Cimmerian migrations came from the east, but they can't figure out where they originated from in the east. The Cimmerian tribes are where the Celts came from, and basically all the European Caucasian peoples.

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My mum is Danish and she had all her ancestry going back to 1530's I think it is, I have never been bothered to have a good look into it, but my younger bro is looking into it now, my elder bro he thinks he is a Viking when he is drunk, 5 big islanders tried to toss him out of a club but they said they just could not get his hands behind his back as they pushed him to the door. he was ranting some rubbish about being a Viking too them. Haha.
Mums dad was 6ft6 and he was the shortest and the tallest was 6ft11 all built like a out house, I have my Grand dads chest expander with 3 springs on it not 4, and he could pull 4 open all the way out in front of him and boy that is massive strong to do that, I could do 3 and this normal 6ft bloke came and seen it and had a go at it and he only moved it about an inch.

As for a Old Danish woman who was direct Royalty she had red hair and her sister blond, now she claimed that all true Vikings back in the days had red hair. now in the Bible we see Red hair mentioned ? I believe that Israelite's were great sea men who must of moved to Europe and dominated over them being smarter and created the Kingdoms and Christian society latter on. when looking at family trees of some people we see many interesting things going on with Jews and all different types of Jews who were allowed into Denmark and the ones who were not, the same was so in every European Kingdom. but I could not make heads or tails out of what type of Jew was who as they were in Danish, not to mention that the names change as the years go on.
Back in history as to regards to what we call Denmark, it was not so, Denmark was Copenhagen and the main land was called the Jutes until some year. not to mention that one has to understand the map of land that was covered as such back in the days as well, at one time the Denmark owned much more than we see today as it was all of the top part of Germany west Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Greenland Iceland and a bit of the USA maybe.
I seen an old huge book at the library once in behind a glass under locked key, about all such, so I asked if I could see it and wow it was fantastic but the next time I came the book was gone and not allowed to be seen by anyone. I informed an old Jew I knew about the book and he said yes they have been buying such old books as such and burning them for years and that was back in 1990.

In God We Trust
Unfortunately this motto of the USA forefathers has been largely forgotten today.


Isaiah 9:8-12 The Lord has sent forth His Word against Jacob and it will fall upon Israel. All the people of Ephraim 1 and those in Samaria 2 will know of it, though in their pride and arrogance they say: The bricks have fallen, but we will rebuild in stone and the sycamores are cut down , but we will grow cedars in their place.
The Lord had roused their enemies 3 against them and they have swallowed Israel completely. For all this, His anger has not abated, His hand still threatens.

1/ Ephraim – The leader of the Northern ten tribes; the House of Israel, swallowed and lost to history, now scattered among the nations, but are predominantly the Western peoples.

2/ Samaria – The ancient capital city of the House of Israel in the holy Land.

3/ Assyria – They conquered and exiled Israel in 722-715 BC. Isaiah 10:5-6

So this prophecy has been fulfilled. To say that Isaiah 9:10 was fulfilled to the U.S.A. after 9/11, is pretentious and is false teaching.


Isaiah 9:13-17 Yet the people did not come back to Him who struck them, nor seek guidance from their Maker. So therefore, on one Day,4 the Lord will cut off head and tail, palm frond and reed. The head is the elders and leaders, the tail is the false teachers and prophets. Those who guide this people have led them astray and those who follow their wrong leadings are lost to the truth. That is why the Lord shows no mercy to that nation of godless evildoers, every one of them speaking impurity. So in His anger He will smite them, His hand will chastise them. Jeremiah 8:14-17

4/ The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and fiery wrath, a single day of worldwide disaster.

This prophecy refers to our time, atheism and apostasy are rife, people follow false teachers.

Ezekiel 22:26-29, Jeremiah 8:7-9, 2 Timothy 4:3-4


Isaiah 9:18-21 Wicked people will burn in a fire 5, a fire as hot as one fed with thorn bushes, they will be engulfed in a pall of smoke. The land will be burnt and devastated 6 by the wrath of God Almighty and the people are as fuel for the fire. Isaiah 6:11-12, Revelation 6:11-17

Now, people are fed that which does not satisfy, their children and kinsmen are not respected or honoured. So the Lord’s anger will fall upon them, His hand will exact punishment. Deuteronomy 7:10, Proverbs 16:4-5, Romans 1:18, Zephaniah 1:14-18


5/ The next prophesied event is a terrible judgement by fire, instigated by the Lord, but He will not be seen at that time. Psalms 18:11 We are informed by Isaiah 30:26 exactly what it is that the Lord will use to carry out this worldwide punishment, it will be a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude. Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 66:15-16, Zeph. 3:8

6/ The holy Land, that is: all of that area given to Abraham, will be the most affected. Ezekiel 20:46-48, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jer. 4:7, Jer. 11:15-16, Jer. 22:6-7, Zephaniah 1:1:18, Hosea 4:3. It will be completely cleared and cleansed, but then the Lord promises regeneration for the Land, Ezekiel 36:8, Isaiah 30:23-24, Jeremiah 33:6-9. Faithful Christian Israelites will go and live there in peace and security. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:26


Now, in the very near future, the Lord who ‘has restrained Himself so long’ - Isaiah 42:14, will take action against His enemies. We, His servants, must heed Isaiah 30:15…In calm detachment lies your safety, your strength in quiet trust. Psalms 37:3-13, John 14:1

Israel has always been the Church

Genesis 35:10 "And God said unto him, "Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: "And He called his name Israel."

"Israel" in the Hebrew language means "The Princes that prevailed with God".

Genesis 35:11 "And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"

In Genesis 48 we see that each of his sons will become Patriarchs of their own tribes, which develop into nations and groupings of nations. This promise reaches far beyond what the church world today would have us believe; that the offspring of Jacob today is comprised in the tiny nation of Israel, with brother Judah, mixed with the Kenite population towering over them. Those who call themselves Jews, but are not, see Revelation 2:9, and 3:9, for the warning that Jesus told John to write to our end time generation.

The kings of England today are even crowned and anointed over the same pillar that Jacob anointed to God, to call an eternal remembrance to all those who sit on that throne, and the subjects that they rule over. [The people of republics are citizens, while people under a king or queen are subjects.] All royal thrones of the Christian nations are tied directly by blood to the throne of England, which is the direct linage to King David, Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham. It is no accident that the Queen of England is Elizabeth II, for her lineage dictates it.

God's word, and his house still exist today, and the mere fact that a King or Queen sits on the throne is the reminder to all His children that He does keep his word, even though we allow ourselves to get lazy in his word, and run to Kenites for its interpretation, His word is truth, honest and fixed. When it seems that God's word is wrong, it is the person questioning the word that is in error. That is why we must use the right tools in getting the correct meaning for that Word.

The first duty of any King or Queen is to be the protector of the Faith, and that faith is God's Word. That is why we have the King James Bible today. He made the order for this translation, whereby each subject to his throne could have their own copy within their homes, that their lives could be guided by its words. From the year 1611 A.D. it has continued to be the guidepost in most Christian homes, and governments.

Genesis 35:12 "And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land."

These are the Christian nations of today, and it all started seven hundred years before Jesus birth, when they migrated over the Caucasus Mountains, and scattered throughout Europe, the Americas, and became know as Caucasians. This name records an event of the movement, but has since become the identifying feature of their race [Adamic].

The prophet Hosea foretold how these people could be identified in the final times in Hosea 1:10; "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, "Ye are not My People,` there it shall be said unto them, "Ye are the sons of the living GOD".

My friend, the Christian world has so followed after the Kenite lies, they denounce their ties to Israel, and give it over to the band of Orientals that have mixed and taken over bother Judah. They just can't see how God has blessed them, yet they continue to call themselves "Caucasians". Yet these nations continue to call themselves "Christians", for in doing so, they identify themselves as "the sons of the living God". It is Jesus Christ that is the Living God, for when Jesus Christ came out of that tomb, and arose from the dead, and ascended into heaven, He became our living God.

The seed of Jacob has multiplied into kings and nations, and an area that covers half of the face of the earth. God's people still carry those blessings that He gave to Jacob, and it is no accident that America, Canada, England and all the other Christian nations have done well. God blesses His people, and still gives divine intervention on their behalf.

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Reggie Belafonte said:

My mum is Danish and she had all her ancestry going back to 1530's I think it is, I have never been bothered to have a good look into it, but my younger bro is looking into it now, my elder bro he thinks he is a Viking when he is drunk, 5 big islanders tried to toss him out of a club but they said they just could not get his hands behind his back as they pushed him to the door. he was ranting some rubbish about being a Viking too them. Haha.
Mums dad was 6ft6 and he was the shortest and the tallest was 6ft11 all built like a out house, I have my Grand dads chest expander with 3 springs on it not 4, and he could pull 4 open all the way out in front of him and boy that is massive strong to do that, I could do 3 and this normal 6ft bloke came and seen it and had a go at it and he only moved it about an inch.

As for a Old Danish woman who was direct Royalty she had red hair and her sister blond, now she claimed that all true Vikings back in the days had red hair. now in the Bible we see Red hair mentioned ? I believe that Israelite's were great sea men who must of moved to Europe and dominated over them being smarter and created the Kingdoms and Christian society latter on. when looking at family trees of some people we see many interesting things going on with Jews and all different types of Jews who were allowed into Denmark and the ones who were not, the same was so in every European Kingdom. but I could not make heads or tails out of what type of Jew was who as they were in Danish, not to mention that the names change as the years go on.
Back in history as to regards to what we call Denmark, it was not so, Denmark was Copenhagen and the main land was called the Jutes until some year. not to mention that one has to understand the map of land that was covered as such back in the days as well, at one time the Denmark owned much more than we see today as it was all of the top part of Germany west Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Greenland Iceland and a bit of the USA maybe.
I seen an old huge book at the library once in behind a glass under locked key, about all such, so I asked if I could see it and wow it was fantastic but the next time I came the book was gone and not allowed to be seen by anyone. I informed an old Jew I knew about the book and he said yes they have been buying such old books as such and burning them for years and that was back in 1990.

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I believe the original Danish are descendants of the tribe of Dan. Judges 5 asks why Dan would remain in ships. Because the tribe of Dan was the first Israelite tribe to fall away to idol worship, God scattered them first. (This per His warnings to Israel given in Deut.4 & 28). One of Dan's traits was to rename a place they conquered after their father's name 'Dan' (Joshua 19; Judges 18). What we in English call Denmark, the Danes actually call 'Dan-mark'. Coincidence? I don't think so. But these matters are not for the nations in Christ. It is only a way that God has left for some to know that what He has promised, that He will fulfill. Thus the Amos 9:9 promise that He will in final gather the lost ten tribes of the house of Israel.

Truman the Levite said:

Hi. Good to hear from you. So much for replacement theology. "We, the church are Israel." "No you're not, we are (the nation of) Israel. You are the church." It seems that both sides of this argument are right. It's not us or them, It's us and them. He has never forgotten any of us. He is a genius! Shalom

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Trying to usurp Israel is a dangerous thing to do! Even the NT makes a very clear distinction between Christians and Israel. They are not the same.
Romans 11:25-27 (NKJV)
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

The Jews are not and cannot be; all of Israel.
The House of Israel remains scattered among the nations and is as many as the sands of the sea.

There is no 'danger' to point out the sins of people who reject Jesus, who promote LBGT, who arrogantly put down their neighbors, and who are prophesied to be Judged and punished, with only a remnant to survive. Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27, +

Keraz said:

The Jews are not and cannot be; all of Israel.
The House of Israel remains scattered among the nations and is as many as the sands of the sea.

There is no 'danger' to point out the sins of people who reject Jesus, who promote LBGT, who arrogantly put down their neighbors, and who are prophesied to be Judged and punished, with only a remnant to survive. Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27, +

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You're trying to usurp Israel. You're not Israel.

Gee I hope these who are trying to usurp Israel aren't in this group.

Zechariah 14:1-12 (NKJV)
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

kcnalp said:

Gee I hope these who are trying to usurp Israel aren't in this group.

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No; but Judah, the Jews will be. Zephaniah 1:1-18...He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the [holy] land.
And only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27

Your belief of a general Jewish redemption is false and will never happen.
As for the idea of a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, that is a fanciful dream; never said to happen in the Bible.

Keraz said:

No; but Judah, the Jews will be. Zephaniah 1:1-18...He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the [holy] land.
And only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27

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You ain't Israel! Stop lying to yourself.
Romans 11:25-27 (NKJV)
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

Your belief of a general Jewish redemption is false and will never happen.
As for the idea of a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, that is a fanciful dream; never said to happen in the Bible.

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Have you ever read the Bible my friend?
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

kcnalp said:

You ain't Israel! Stop lying to yourself.
Romans 11:25-27 (NKJV)
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

Have you ever read the Bible my friend?

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

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Let's look at Thess

I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."

The next five verses lay the foundation to what is called the "rapture theory". That is all it is, is a theory; and unproven idea. As we study our Father's Word; set aside all preconceived ideas you have about a rapture, and let's see what Paul is trying to tell the Thessalonians.

It is from these verses that the "rapture theory" was born. Let's see just how willing you are to bet your soul on it, when we take a fresh look at what Paul really said. Because that is what you are doing when you rely on it in the last days.

This concern is over "them which are asleep". The concern is over the loved ones that have died and left them, and their decaying bodies are out there in their grave. Paul is saying for us not to be sorry about those Christians who are dead and gone, for that is the concern of the heathen. The heathen's fear comes from their ignorance of God's word, and His promises. The heathen have no hope, for they believe it's over at the burial.

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

If we believe, as a Christian, that Christ set the example for us; so that we will follow as He did, in dying, and rising again, then "to sleep" is to be dead from the flesh body. The Greek is a simple language, for it's structure allows one to be more precise. The subject in the frame of this verse is; "that ye not be ignorant as to where the dead are." If you're a Christian, you know and believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and on the third day arose and came out of the tomb. If you do not believe this, Paul classifies you as ignorant, and heathen [non-believer].

It was on the fortieth day that he ascended back to the Father. When Jesus ascended into heaven, all the souls went with him into heaven also, that had passed on, up to that point in time. The souls of some went to wait for that time of judgment, while others to the glory of God. Those that sleep [are dead] are not out there in a hole in the ground, but all Christians must believe that they arose to be with the Father, just like Christ did also. The dead are with God; all of them. "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

"We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord," this is our gathering back to Jesus Christ. "Shall not prevent them", would be better translated, "We are not going to precede [go before] them." We can not precede them for a very simple reason; the dead are already there with God. It is the only logical fact that can come from this. If you do not, or will not believe this, then you believe in soul sleep as the heathen do, and the hope and glory Paul is speaking of, for the Christian, and you are ignorant of God's glory. Whether victorious, or sentenced to hell, all the dead are now with the Father, and not in the ground.

Paul, in another writing, told us exactly; as far as the return of Jesus Christ, when we would be gathered back to Him. That goes also for when we would see those who are asleep [dead], and that exact moment is at the sounding of the seventh [last] trumpet. It will happen very quickly, in the wink [twinkling] of an eye. I Corinthians 15:50-54 tells us we will not go away to any place, but stay right here on earth. We are going to be changed into our new Spiritual bodies, and put off these flesh bodies.

Paul says, "Behold I show you a mystery". In other words, Paul is going to reveal something so we will not be ignorant about it. "We shall not all sleep [die] but we shall all be changed." I Corinthians 15:51 Changed to what? The same thing the dead are, and that is the subject. All those still in the flesh body, at a certain moment [the sounding of the seventh trumpet] will shed this flesh body [corruptible and perishable body] and take on the new "incorruptible" body. Friend, That is the hope and salvation of the Christian.

To document this, in I Corinthians 15:50 we are told that "flesh and blood cannot inherit", or face Jesus Christ in His kingdom. Christ's kingdom will cover the entire earth, and that is why the flesh body must perish. The time of this change comes at the seventh trumpet, which is the last trump, and stated in verse 52, "for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed".

Those who are even dead spiritually will be raised in an incorruptible body. That is a body that doesn't get sick, or grow old; in other words, it is your spiritual body.

Why?

Because the Kingdom of God is where ever Christ is; and at the seventh trump Christ will be on earth with the saints, and setting up his 1000 year millennium kingdom. No flesh and blood body can exist in that kingdom. This is your "gathering back to Christ", and that is what the rapture meaning is all about. It is the time when Christ comes back to earth and the saints that are alive are changed and drawn to Him.

I Corinthians 15:53, "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

"Mortal" means "liable to die" in the Greek. At the last trump the Christians who stand against Satan, and his system, will have their immortality, however, those who fall for Antichrist and his system, will have to wait until after the 1000 years. "Corruptible into incorruption" is refering to the flesh body changing into the body such as the angels have, a spiritual body. Whereas the eternal condition of the soul is only extended to those who have not yielded to the Antichrist, For they only are the victors at the seventh trump. You put on immortality through Christ who set the way.

I Corinthians 15:54, "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Going back to I Thessalonians 4:15, we know when this will come to pass. It will be "at the last trump", when the alive in Christ are "changed", not flying away.

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"

The Lord is going to descend, at the seventh trump [the last trump]. Why will the dead in Christ rise first? Because they are already there, and with Him. All we have to do now is go to the book of Revelation, and find out in detail when this will be. We find out what events will occur just prior to this seventh trump sounding, and then when we see these certain events taking place before our eyes, we will know our Lord will return to earth next. Then the trump will sound, and the gathering will take place, and we will be changed from our flesh bodies to our spiritual bodies. And not one day before.

I Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."



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n2thelight said:

Let's look at Thess

I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."

The next five verses lay the foundation to what is called the "rapture theory". That is all it is, is a theory; and unproven idea. As we study our Father's Word; set aside all preconceived ideas you have about a rapture, and let's see what Paul is trying to tell the Thessalonians.

It is from these verses that the "rapture theory" was born. Let's see just how willing you are to bet your soul on it, when we take a fresh look at what Paul really said. Because that is what you are doing when you rely on it in the last days.

This concern is over "them which are asleep". The concern is over the loved ones that have died and left them, and their decaying bodies are out there in their grave. Paul is saying for us not to be sorry about those Christians who are dead and gone, for that is the concern of the heathen. The heathen's fear comes from their ignorance of God's word, and His promises. The heathen have no hope, for they believe it's over at the burial.

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

If we believe, as a Christian, that Christ set the example for us; so that we will follow as He did, in dying, and rising again, then "to sleep" is to be dead from the flesh body. The Greek is a simple language, for it's structure allows one to be more precise. The subject in the frame of this verse is; "that ye not be ignorant as to where the dead are." If you're a Christian, you know and believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and on the third day arose and came out of the tomb. If you do not believe this, Paul classifies you as ignorant, and heathen [non-believer].

It was on the fortieth day that he ascended back to the Father. When Jesus ascended into heaven, all the souls went with him into heaven also, that had passed on, up to that point in time. The souls of some went to wait for that time of judgment, while others to the glory of God. Those that sleep [are dead] are not out there in a hole in the ground, but all Christians must believe that they arose to be with the Father, just like Christ did also. The dead are with God; all of them. "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

"We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord," this is our gathering back to Jesus Christ. "Shall not prevent them", would be better translated, "We are not going to precede [go before] them." We can not precede them for a very simple reason; the dead are already there with God. It is the only logical fact that can come from this. If you do not, or will not believe this, then you believe in soul sleep as the heathen do, and the hope and glory Paul is speaking of, for the Christian, and you are ignorant of God's glory. Whether victorious, or sentenced to hell, all the dead are now with the Father, and not in the ground.

Paul, in another writing, told us exactly; as far as the return of Jesus Christ, when we would be gathered back to Him. That goes also for when we would see those who are asleep [dead], and that exact moment is at the sounding of the seventh [last] trumpet. It will happen very quickly, in the wink [twinkling] of an eye. I Corinthians 15:50-54 tells us we will not go away to any place, but stay right here on earth. We are going to be changed into our new Spiritual bodies, and put off these flesh bodies.

Paul says, "Behold I show you a mystery". In other words, Paul is going to reveal something so we will not be ignorant about it. "We shall not all sleep [die] but we shall all be changed." I Corinthians 15:51 Changed to what? The same thing the dead are, and that is the subject. All those still in the flesh body, at a certain moment [the sounding of the seventh trumpet] will shed this flesh body [corruptible and perishable body] and take on the new "incorruptible" body. Friend, That is the hope and salvation of the Christian.

To document this, in I Corinthians 15:50 we are told that "flesh and blood cannot inherit", or face Jesus Christ in His kingdom. Christ's kingdom will cover the entire earth, and that is why the flesh body must perish. The time of this change comes at the seventh trumpet, which is the last trump, and stated in verse 52, "for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed".

Those who are even dead spiritually will be raised in an incorruptible body. That is a body that doesn't get sick, or grow old; in other words, it is your spiritual body.

Why?

Because the Kingdom of God is where ever Christ is; and at the seventh trump Christ will be on earth with the saints, and setting up his 1000 year millennium kingdom. No flesh and blood body can exist in that kingdom. This is your "gathering back to Christ", and that is what the rapture meaning is all about. It is the time when Christ comes back to earth and the saints that are alive are changed and drawn to Him.

I Corinthians 15:53, "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

"Mortal" means "liable to die" in the Greek. At the last trump the Christians who stand against Satan, and his system, will have their immortality, however, those who fall for Antichrist and his system, will have to wait until after the 1000 years. "Corruptible into incorruption" is refering to the flesh body changing into the body such as the angels have, a spiritual body. Whereas the eternal condition of the soul is only extended to those who have not yielded to the Antichrist, For they only are the victors at the seventh trump. You put on immortality through Christ who set the way.

I Corinthians 15:54, "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Going back to I Thessalonians 4:15, we know when this will come to pass. It will be "at the last trump", when the alive in Christ are "changed", not flying away.

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"

The Lord is going to descend, at the seventh trump [the last trump]. Why will the dead in Christ rise first? Because they are already there, and with Him. All we have to do now is go to the book of Revelation, and find out in detail when this will be. We find out what events will occur just prior to this seventh trump sounding, and then when we see these certain events taking place before our eyes, we will know our Lord will return to earth next. Then the trump will sound, and the gathering will take place, and we will be changed from our flesh bodies to our spiritual bodies. And not one day before.

I Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."



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You're trying to make it difficult. It's not.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

kcnalp said:

You ain't Israel! Stop lying to yourself.

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I am an Israelite by faith. Galatians 6:14-16 I am an Overcomer for God, literally an Israelite.
I may also be an Israelite by descent, as my ancestors migrated from the Caucasus region, where Israel was exiled to.

What can be known from the historical record, is that those who call themselves Jews are mostly from the Khazar peoples who converted to Judaism centuries ago and the many multi racial 'wannabes'. who have migrated to the State of Israel.

A liar is one who believes a lie and who attacks the person who exposes them.