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Hello @marks,

I hope it isn't happening here, but who am I to say it is not.

Forgive me for having so much to say lately, I do seem to be standing-on-my-soap-box a little too freely over the past few days. Maybe it is a consequence of a year of lockdown restrictions. o_O

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris
See that's just it . . . you made me realize I was too quick to jump up on my soapbox! We build each other up, do we not?

I've been feeling the effects of the lockdowns. And now as things are opening, my church is in essence gone now, and we still don't want the vaccines, so, we're still fairly isolated.

Anyway, here is good!

Much love!
 

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'Let all the earth fear the LORD:
let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.'

(Psa 33:8)

Hello @kcnalp,

It is so easy to blame those in authority over us for what is happening within our nations, and to deny any personal responsibility for the decline of all we hold dear. Yet have we been praying for those in authority as we have been asked to do? Do we pray for the candidate we voted into office to be given wisdom to make right choices, and govern well: to make judgments according to the known will of God, and not lean to their own understanding?

I confess that I rarely think to do so. So who am I to point the finger at that candidate, or that party in power, that President or Prime Minister, if I have failed to do so?

As I think further into this, the more I realise how culpable I am.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
You didn't know "our" government has been bought and paid for? Filty rich LYING thieves!
 

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I never said Covid is a hoax.
I was pointing out the inconsistent rules applied by the government.

(I don't believe the death figures.
Many people died because of the flu in the past.
Don't hear about THAT anymore.

Lots of conflicting reports.

It comes to the point that watching the news is useless.
Today all is blamed on Covid.)
Rather odd is the fact that the flu rate dropped to almost zero
and yet the excuse was the social distancing and masks stopped it .
Yet apparently social distancing and masks dont seem to work on corona .
Its almost so bad if someone gets shot in a robbery but managed to sneeze before they died , they call it covid
YET if healthy young folks die of heart failure or complications after taking the vaccine , THEY HOLLER no IT cant be that .
Does anyone else see things not adding up .
 
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Let us march on faithful to Christ . And in all that we do and say let is honor the glorious Lord .
Times will continue to get worse . The delusion will keep increasing and it wont be long
before the non conforming lambs will see persecutions increase .
Let us fear not man or anything he can do to us . Just cling to the LORD having all hope above on HIM .
The Lord is with the lambs . Praise the glorious King .
 

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Hi @marks

Controlling a pandemic is new territory for the governments concerned, and each is attempting to control it in the best way they can. They have sought the best medical advice possible and are enforcing rules and regulations in order to control peoples behaviour to minimise the spread. I would not wish to be in their shoes.

Nobody wants to enforce lockdown measures, least of all those who have to deal with the consequences, and if people only kept to the rules of washing and distancing and the wearing of protective equipment then perhaps lockdowns would not have been necessary: but people do not obey the rules, they claim their right to individual freedom regardless of the cost, either to themselves or others, so what is left for governments to do, but to bring in lockdown measures.

One day the choices made by governments will be analysed and judged, and perhaps they will suffer loss as a consequence: but individual citizens should also question their own choices before passing judgment on these people in authority, who are doing their very best in very difficult circumstances.

There is no Marxist conspiracy.

Thank you
Chris
Just for the record lockdowns, mask wearing were the way plagues, and other illness were dealt with in the past. During the past year I have watched historic accounts of how thing were dealt with. Small pox took many many years to get under control world wide. With the plagues people were literally locked in their homes, with all there family , and just left to die. You didn’t have financial support ,internet, connection with the outside world back then ...........
Rita
 
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Now we have Buddhism creeping into your theology. The whole world is an illusion. And that is simply delusion. Since when did SDAs adopt Buddhist philosophy?
Lol. Bro. Think about it. Jesus said numerous times, be not deceived. Throughout prophecy we are warned that deception is the devil's principle means by which to destroy God's people. What is in your face is not what you need to be looking for. Look deeper. The democrats are mere tools to bring about the enemy's desires. The republicans the same. The swings between left and right over decades, the swings between liberalism and conservatism, the swings between capitalism and communism, is merely a mechanism designed to capture people into factions. The powers that are building the new Babel, the NWO, the coming global tyranny, are neither conservative or liberal. They are neither left nor right. They are using the friction between left and right to create chaos. Then, out of that chaos shall arise their solution. Thesis versus antithesis... The result when the dust settles will be synthesis. Ordo ab chao. Things are never as they seem.
 

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The fence goes up 'round the house of the Lord,
The fence goes up 'round the house of the Lord.
The fence goes up 'round the house of the Lord.
Where they go to praise the name of the Lord.
The fence goes up 'round the house of the Lord,
Where they go to praise the name of the Lord. - adapted from Psalm 122:4...sorry, I couldn't resist. Lol

This is the day that the Lord has made...a unique day that He made with you and I in mind.
Thank You, Abba, thank You, Yeshua, thank You, Ruach; thank You, Elohim, for including us in it. :)
 
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Look at Christians of the persecuted nations, look at how strong their faith is, persecution has only made their faith in Jesus grow. They could teach us a thing or two.

No one can take away the right to worship, because even in China, Christians still find ways to worship God, you don't have to be in a specific building to worship God.

So if you don't mind me interjecting here a bit, I think your logic is one of a fatalist and it of a cowardice nature.

So let the persecutions begin in OZ, the States, Canada and the UK. Let them take our church buildings, then later our homes and all public meeting places. Let them find us in the field and sheds and put us all in prison or re-education camps. Let us now become Christians as in China where most received Christ under the thumb of a godless government. We will all be better for it and we shall have a stronger faith in the outcome. Yippee! Why did not I think about that before?! This is pure rubbish and surrender talk mate. I would not want to go into a spiritual battle with you because I believe you would not have my back....you would be heading the other way in earnest prayer, praying for a quick surrender or retreat and to make peace with evil...trying to save your own hide. A little rough here although required for what you wrote back to @Enoch111 and what it really means.

Josho, I will never succumb to your reasoning on this topic. My faith and fellowship in Christ is too strong to become an ineffective servant in the house of God by catering to evil men of this world at the same time.

'Yes they could teach us a thing or two...no, they wished they were in the West and praising the Lord in a not so brutal and godless country.

Let not this happen in your country....defy and disassociate with evil as God works in the background for the good of his people ..that I pray for indeed as its on my heart today.

Bless you,

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So if you don't mind me interjecting here a bit, I think your logic is one of a fatalist and it of a cowardice nature.

So let the persecutions begin in OZ, the States, Canada and the UK. Let them take our church buildings, then later our homes and all public meeting places. Let them find us in the field and sheds and put us all in prison or re-education camps. Let us now become Christians as in China where most received Christ under the thumb of a godless government. We will all be better for it and we shall have a stronger faith in the outcome. Yippee! Why did not I think about that before?! This is pure rubbish and surrender talk mate. I would not want to go into a spiritual battle with you because I believe you would not have my back....you would be heading the other way in earnest prayer, praying for a quick surrender or retreat and to make peace with evil...trying to save your own hide. A little rough here although required for what you wrote back to Enoch111 and what it really means.

Josho, I will never succumb to your reasoning on this topic. My faith and fellowship in Christ is too strong to become an ineffective servant in the house of God by catering to evil men of this world at the same time.

'Yes they could teach us a thing or two...no, they wished they were in the West and praising the Lord in a not so brutal and godless country.

Let not this happen in your country....defy and disassociate with evil as God works in the background for the good of his people ..that I pray for indeed as its on my heart today.

Bless you,

APAK
I think we may believe Romans 8:28 in situations such as this. The current situation is not ideal certainly. And indeed I think it right and proper that Christians should object and protest, short of pulling down the fence and trampling upon the law. Good however can come from this if we are willing to broaden our perspectives. In fact, I think it quite possible as I suggested previously that God has intended this of a purpose, that His people find alternative ways of worshipping... Instead of finding oneself ensconced in a building and singing hymns... Let us walk beside the lakes and rivers, down the streets and byways, searching out those who have not yet received the invitation to the marriage supper.
Even spending that time at home with the family in Bible study and quiet family time with the devices put away and the televisions switched off, just for one day truly resting, could be accomplishing more than sitting or standing as the case may be for an hour at a stilted organized pre-ordered religious routine. As I said. The current situation may not be what we envision as ideal or even convenient, but perhaps the Government unknowingly has done those people a great favor in offering them the opportunity to think outside the box to make their community a better one.
 
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Look at Christians of the persecuted nations, look at how strong their faith is, persecution has only made their faith in Jesus grow. They could teach us a thing or two.

No one can take away the right to worship, because even in China, Christians still find ways to worship God, you don't have to be in a specific building to worship God.
Hello @Josho,

I have been reading this morning of God's purpose in Israel, and the part that the 'furnace' and the 'flame' played during their history. The furnace and the flame that was part of the covenant making of God with Abram in Genesis 15:17, which Abram saw while sleep. These typified the whole after-history which took place for Abram's offspring, which at that time were not yet born. The smoking furnace told of the furnace of affliction into which they should be cast, but the 'burning lamp' told of their certain deliverance. These experiences were for their refining.

So I understand and agree. May His will be done.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
 

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The latest update with the Edmonton Church Alberta.....got worse

VIDEO: 200 Armed Riot Police Break Up Christian Church Service In Canada
by Tom Pappert | National File

Video captured the moment 200 armed riot police officers in Edmonton, Canada entered GraceLife church and broke up services after the congregants removed a fence previously erected by police to prevent Christian worship due to unscientific COVID-19 lockdowns.

“After the Christians tore down the fence that the government had build around the Edmonton church, the police sent in 200 heavily-armed riot police,” wrote Rebel News founder Ezra Levant. “That’s the church building you see there. This is China stuff, Iran stuff. But it’s happening in Canada.”


https://twitter.com/i/status/1381361461189091333


The church previously made headlines as they refused to cease operations due to the government’s COVID-19 lockdowns, ultimately resulting in the pastor being incarcerated for 35 days.

Ultimately, the pastor was released, and the church continued operating. According to Levant, “The church still wouldn’t close. So police raided it, turned it into an armed garrison & occupied it. And still the Christians come.”



https://twitter.com/i/status/1381319356265676805

singing 'yes Jesus loves me...'

200 cops for this latest put-down......
 

APAK

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I think we may believe Romans 8:28 in situations such as this. The current situation is not ideal certainly. And indeed I think it right and proper that Christians should object and protest, short of pulling down the fence and trampling upon the law. Good however can come from this if we are willing to broaden our perspectives. In fact, I think it quite possible as I suggested previously that God has intended this of a purpose, that His people find alternative ways of worshipping... Instead of finding oneself ensconced in a building and singing hymns... Let us walk beside the lakes and rivers, down the streets and byways, searching out those who have not yet received the invitation to the marriage supper.
Even spending that time at home with the family in Bible study and quiet family time with the devices put away and the televisions switched off, just for one day truly resting, could be accomplishing more than sitting or standing as the case may be for an hour at a stilted organized pre-ordered religious routine. As I said. The current situation may not be what we envision as ideal or even convenient, but perhaps the Government unknowingly has done those people a great favor in offering them the opportunity to think outside the box to make their community a better one.

Hey bro....I hear what you are saying although I do not want to speculate on these sobering issues affecting believers that never were issues before, especially in the West. It is new territory, uncharted waters and wild country. I cannot afford to speculate with maybes and this may be still good because of government cruelty or that would bad if folks protested this cruelty in public. When dealing with the current and ever aggressive, souless evil powers of governments at any level (Federal to local) I believe a believer needs to call it out; even if the course of events do not change or get worse.

I know you are looking at the positives in these beginnings of trying times that are affecting believers. Meantime the spirit called my attention and also to others to share our beliefs on this subject of Christian abuse, and even persecution. I for one cannot ignore it or just hide it under a rug. I guess some believers can and even side with the government. Hard for me to understand this though.

Believers are human and have different personalities. There are extraverts and introverts, leaders and followers, some of mild mannered and some not so much. We all cannot be operating with the same passion or lack of passion on these impacting issues and spiritual issues. We communicate them differently.

I cannot ignore the real fact that my 'church' building or pastor or the rest of my fellow congregation of believers are nearly off limits to me because the government is wielding oppressive powers for control. Now going on the streets to spread the word of God and the gospel has always been a great thing to built the congregation. This does not make up for the lack of physical space required at times or as a great base though to share, in one sheltered setting away for the world for time, in a private building. There is value in getting the congregation into one building for unique spiritual growth that cannot be had on the streets so much. Like in teaching and learning the Bible in a classroom setting once a week at least. Having the shepherd (pastor) preach in one private setting, away from the world.

We cannot just ignore what is happening and say oh well we can make do. Of course we will have to make do, although that is not the real issue here.

Anyway, this is more that just confiscating a church building. It is just one area of attack on Christianity in general. Wait till the scriptures are banned or only permitted to be kept or used when and where the government allows; and then for only religious people, not true believers.

We might have wished we spoke out as a group much earlier, and now it's much too late. God only knows. We pray and listen to our hearts that are spirit-filled with our glorious Lord. We let him lead, and we follow.

Bless you and your family

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When dealing with the current and ever aggressive, souless evil powers of governments at any level (Federal to local) I believe a believer needs to call it out; even if the course of events do not change or get worse.
That's right. That is part of being salt and light, and that is also to support justice and mercy, which God requires.

Here is the latest development regarding Grace Life Church:
Video captured the moment 200 armed riot police officers in Edmonton, Canada entered GraceLife church and broke up services after the congregants removed a fence previously erected by police to prevent Christian worship due to unscientific COVID-19 lockdowns.
VIDEO: 200 Armed Riot Police Break Up Christian Church Service In Canada

Premier Jason Kenney is attempting to make Alberta a Fascist police state, and I have written to every MLA in Alberta to call for his immediate resignation. At the same time GraceLife Church should sue the government for millions for trampling on their constitutional rights. This has simply gone too far.
 
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So if you don't mind me interjecting here a bit, I think your logic is one of a fatalist and it of a cowardice nature.
OR... perhaps his logic is born of wisdom and discernment.

Some of us believe that the time of shouting and fighting has past... therefore all these warnings and attempts to REGAIN control... order and morals are coming at the wrong time... not to mention that they are absolutely NOT going to effectuate any kind of change.

It is my opinion that persecution is coming and that God will raise up His remnant of believers. It is also my opinion that many Christians will fall away.

These are prophetic times... and all the screaming in the world will not stop what has come... I believe God is cleaning house... and bringing much darkness to light. It's a glorious thing... and also a frightening reality.

I would absolutely delight in walking into battle with Josho... We would be in one accord in our Worship to God. You have made some harsh assessments here.

Prayer... Worship... Gratitude.... Praise... Thanksgiving.... FAITH... TRUST.... How telling that you would consider this cowardice and a sign of doing nothing.

Like I stated before ... many Christians are shouting FIRE.... far too late... The building has already burned to the ground.

The fact that some Christians are shouting persecution at this time is an insult to those Christians who have actually suffered severely for their faith... We are being inconvenienced at this time... OH my goodness... How dare they ask us to postpone large gatherings... It's laughable if it weren't so sad.
 
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Premier Jason Kenney is attempting to make Alberta a Fascist police state, and I have written to every MLA in Alberta to call for his immediate resignation.
LOL.... Premiere Jason Kenney has stepped down from his duties this morning... because SIR ENOCH said.... HAHAHA
You are comical.
 
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LOL.... Premiere Jason Kenney has stepped down from his duties this morning... because SIR ENOCH said.... HAHAHA
You are comical.
addy....Why not join Enoch in his writing campaign? Might be a great sacrifice and more beneficial that writing some Posts for a day or two in here. So are you going to or is your heart not into it? For some, this is a principle of law and order and the trespassing of God and Christian territory, like for Enoch I suspect...and there are many others like me and others that are active and passionate about these issues.

It is never too late to turn the tide, God willing.

Great Day...working on framing up the front porch for screening today

APAK
 

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addy....Why not join Enoch in his writing campaign?
Well... I will let you ask Sir Enoch of he would like "Baddy's" help... LOL

In all reality... I find this campaigning and complaining and protesting to be an absolute waste of time... that is my opinion.... but... I do respect that we all have the right to handle things in whatever manner we see as pleasing to God.

My issue is when people start deciding what CHRISTIANS should do.
 
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Well... I will let you ask Sir Enoch of he would like "Baddy's" help... LOL

In all reality... I find this campaigning and complaining and protesting to be an absolute waste of time... that is my opinion.... but... I do respect that we all have the right to handle things in whatever manner we see as pleasing to God.

My issue is when people start deciding what CHRISTIANS should do.
On that last note, as I said before, you can ignore and not reply...up to you....it will not change minds as you know. yours or his/hers.

All good Addy...we are all made from different personality materials, and as believers we are all the same in Christ with different roles as members forming the same house of God. I do get you though...
 
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