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GRR, One Last One to Right the Ship ... GO NINERS !!

Meso American Missionaries
http://www.historum....ssionaries.html

Monotheistic "rape" of mythology
http://www.historum....html#post899320

Secular Humanism is Atheism ... why do you think the west is so disfunctional ... many foreign countries that these missionaries go to, improve the living standards of these people significantly ... In fact there are probably more people in these areas than America ... isn't it a double standard to hail shamans and curse Christ's purpose to go into the world ... Sol-Invictus was monotheistic also ... How about Sutton Hoo ... Raedwald was a converted Christian who was buried with full pagan honors?
 

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Causation, Effectation and Intelligence
http://www.historum.com/blogs/killcarneyklansman/722-causation-effectation-intelligence.html

Is There Any Evidence For God?
http://www.historum.com/religion/36819-there-any-evidence-god-39.html#post914443

Ok, the niners let me down too, but they got nothing to be ashamed of! maybe next year! [Sign Peyton Manning for a years ... please]
 

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A Historical Meschiach
http://www.historum....-meschiach.html

[Without mentioning Josephus, Tacitus, Lucian and Pliny the Younger ... and although ... there are many redactors to the idea of a Historical Jesus ... there are some rather remarkable comments made by a few learned men ... as well as pointers to possible supernatural and very probably celestial events]

http://en.wikipedia....istorical_Jesus
Richard Dawkins wrote that while Jesus probably existed, it is "possible to mount a serious, though not widely supported, historical case that Jesus never lived at all.

http://en.wikipedia....ricity_of_Jesus
The Babylonian Talmud in a few rare instances likely or possibly refers to Jesus using the terms "Yeshu," "Yeshu ha-Notzri," "ben Satda," and "ben Pandera". These references probably date back to the Tannaitic period (70–200 CE).

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http://www.creatingf....net/birth.html
Here is a quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth:These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries.

Jesus is recorded as a fact, as is His death, burial and missing body in the Reader's Digest Book of Facts, 1989.
 

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The Danites, Sea Peoples and the Lost Tribes Wanderings
http://www.historum.com/speculative-history/28167-danites-sea-peoples-lost-tribes-wanderings-12.html

The Way of the Wilderness and the Crossing of the Red Sea
http://www.historum.com/blogs/killcarneyklansman/757-way-wilderness-crossing-red-sea.html
 

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I've mentioned this before ... Its in response to this thread =->
http://www.christian...ge__pid__145008

NASA Indirectly Confirms Wormwood Prophecy By Irene Klotz, SAN FRANCISCO | Wed Dec 7, 2011
http://www.cogwriter...mwood-prophecy/

In addition to looking like a star falling from the heavens looking like a torch (and an asteroid could possibly do that), comets normally appear with cyanogen. Astronomers state hydrogen cyanide on comets may be their source of cyanogen gas. Interestingly, the cyanogen gas mixes with water to form hydrogen cyanide, which has an almond odor and bitter taste, and reportedly causes death at concentrations over 5 parts per million.

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http://www.dailymail...wake-Cusco.html
Meteorite blasts across skies of Peru leaving forest fires in its wake By Claire Bates
Last updated at 2:19 PM on 29th August 2011

Blazing with the fury of a mini-sun this amazing video shows the moment a suspected meteor streaked across the sky over the city of Cusco in Peru. It was captured blasting through the upper levels of the atmosphere ... leaving an irredescent trail in its wake. Astonished residents watched as the impressive natural phenomenon eventually disappeared over the horizon.

Peru last saw a meteorite fall in September 2007 near the border with Bolivia. The basketball-sized meteorite left an impressive crater that was 44ft in diameter. Fragments of rock tested positive for iron, nickel and cobalt with traces of iridium. It was dated as about 4.5 billion years old and formed around the same time as our Solar System.

http://news.national...eteor-peru.html
http://news.national...eor-peru_2.html
Meteor Crash in Peru Caused Mysterious Illness José Orozco in Caracas, Venezuela for National Geographic News September 21, 2007

Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Pro 5:4 - Wormwood - In Eastern medicine this herb, the absinthium of Greek and Latin botanists, was looked upon as poisonous rather than medicinal. Compare Rev_8:11.

The People's New Testament
Rev 8:11 A star is a symbol of a great leader. Such a star as this, a blazing meteor, is a symbol of a leader who suddenly appears, rapidly does an awfully baleful work, and then disappears. In some way the rivers will be the scenes of his malign influence. They shall become bitterness and shall be scenes of death.

Robertson's Word Pictures
Rev 8:11 - Wormwood (ho Apsinthos). Absinthe. Usually feminine (he), but masculine here probably because astēr is masculine.

Rev 16:3 - Into the sea (eis ten thalassan). Like the first Egyptian plague (Exo_7:12 -41) though only the Nile affected then. Blood as of a dead man (haima hos nekrou). At the trumpet (Rev_8:11) the water becomes wormwood. Here hōs nekrou is added to Exo_7:14-24, “the picture of a murdered man weltering in his blood” (Swete). “Coagulated blood, fatal to animal life” (Moffatt).

John Gill's Exposition on the Entire Bible
Burning as it were a lamp; this star resembled that which is called Lampadias, which Pliny says (t) imitates, or bears a likeness to burning torches; and he speaks of a spark which fell out of a star, which had such an appearance (u): this is expressive of war, and great destruction in the empire:

The invasions of the [Barbarians], particularly the Vandals under Genseric, who being turned out of Spain by the Goths, went into Africa, where peace was made, and part of Africa given them to dwell in; after which Genseric, through treachery, seized upon Carthage, and greatly afflicted Sicily: Theodosius made war against them to no purpose, and peace being made between Valentinian and Genseric, Africa was divided between them; and some time after Rome was spoiled by Genseric of all its riches ®.

Mr. Daubuz thinks Attila, king of the Huns, called the dread of the world, and the scourge of God, is meant by this star; who was a rebel against the Romans, and made sad ravages in the empire; at the beginning of which troubles a great comet appeared; and, according to Cassiodorus (s), the Huns were auxiliaries to the Romans against the Goths; but Litorius the Roman general was taken; and after this the Huns rebelled, and depopulated Thrace and Illyricum; and Attila, their king, having slain his brother Bleda, and partner, became sole monarch; and though the Romans under Actius, by the help of the Goths, beat him in the fields of Catalaun, and obliged him to depart, yet afterwards, having got a reinforcement, he entered with great force into Aquileia, with whom Pope Leo made peace:

® Cassiodor. Chronicon in Theodos. 44. & in Marcian. 45. (s) Chronicon, ib. (t) Nat. Hist. l. 2. c. 25. (u) lb. c. 35.

EW Bullinger's Commentary on Revelation
Cicero [De Div. ii. 27] tells us that the word was brought to the Roman Senate, on one occasion, that it had rained blood, and that the river Atratus had flowed with blood. On August 17, 1819, Dr. Seiss tells us that "Captain Ross saw the mountains at Baffin's Bay covered for eight miles with blood-red snow many feet in depth." Also that Saussare found it on Mount St. Bernard, in 1778; that Ramond found it on the Pyrenes; and Summerfield in Norway. Why may it not be seen again? ... Events somewhat similar have happened. In the Annual Register for 1823, p. 683, we read that, as the result of a volcanic explosion, showers of sand darkened the sky and "the sea water became thick, and river water assumed the colour of beer, and was so extremely bitter as to be unfit for use. This was in the Aleutian Islands, and it is quoted by Mr. Govett in his Apocalypse Expounded.

What John saw was a fiery mass like a mountain cast into the sea, and turning it into blood. "This cannot be literal" exclaim the interpreters. But again we ask, Why not? In one of the plagues of Egypt it is written that Moses "lifted up his rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants, and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood" (Ex. viii. 20)

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http://books.google....ved=0CFAQ6AEwCA
wormwood contains a volatile oil ... cyanogen, which when it is united with hydrogen forms hydrocyanic acid

http://www.christian...1988715493.html
Information Gained from Comet Hartley Already Written About in the Bible

Archeologist and geologist Dr. Jeffrey Goodman in Tucson expressed excitement for another reason – he said that the data about Comet Hartley's multiple vents and its powerful emission of cyanide gas supports the Biblical text. In Goodman's new book "THE COMETS OF GOD-New Scientific Evidence for God: Recent archeological, geological and astronomical discoveries that shine new light on the Bible and its prophecies" he reports that most of the scientific data learned about comets in the last 25 years has already been recorded in the Bible!

http://www.foxnews.c...,494944,00.html
Strange Green Comet Passing by Earth Next Week Wednesday, February 18, 2009

WASHINGTON — An odd, greenish backward-flying comet is zipping by Earth this month, as it takes its only trip toward the sun from the farthest edges of the solar system. The comet is called Lulin ... The story behind the comet is more intriguing than its appearance — the greenish tinge may be hard for many to discern. The color comes from a type of carbon and cyanogen, a poisonous gas.

While all the planets and most of the other objects in the solar system circle the sun counterclockwise, Lulin circles clockwise, said NASA astronomer Stephen Edberg. Thanks to an optical illusion, from Earth it appears as if the comet's tail is in the front as the comet approaches Earth and the sun. "It essentially is going backwards through the solar system," he said. It came from the outskirts of the solar system, 18 trillion miles away. Once it's made the journey around the sun, Lulin will gain enough speed to escape the solar system, Edberg said.

http://www.foxnews.c...,491648,00.html
"There is a case to be made that dark, dormant comets are a significant but largely unseen hazard," said Bill Napier at Cardiff University. Dark comets happen when a comet's reflective water ice evaporates away, and leaves behind an organic crust. Since the water's gone, they don't reflect light, making it hard for astronomers to see them until they're right on top of us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanogen

Cyanogen is used to measure the temperature of interstellar gas clouds[6].
Cyanogen is found in many comets and gives them their greenish halo[7]

6. # ^ Interstellar cyanogen and the temperature of the cosmic microwave background radiation | Mendeley
7. # ^ Green Comet Approaches Earth - NASA Science

http://www.mendeley.com/research/interstellar-cyanogen-temperature-cosmic-microwave-background-radiation/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/04feb_greencomet/

Like other inorganic cyanides, cyanogen is very toxic, as it undergoes reduction to cyanide ... Cyanogen produces the second hottest known natural flame (after carbon subnitride) with a temperature of over 4525 °C when it burns in oxygen.[10]

10. ^ Thomas, N.; Gaydon, A. G.; Brewer, L., A. G.; Brewer, L. (March 1952). "Cyanogen Flames and the Dissociation Energy of N2". The Journal of Chemical Physics 20 (3): 369–374. Bibcode 1952JChPh..20..369T. doi:10.1063/1.1700426

Astronomy Picture of the Day - NASA
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
In the center, surrounding the comet's nucleus, is the green-tinted coma, so colored as it is a mix of dust and gasses that include green-emitting cyanogen.

NASA's Swift and Hubble Probe Asteroid Collision Debris 04.28.11
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/asteroid-collision.html

Late last year, astronomers noticed an asteroid named Scheila had unexpectedly brightened, and it was sporting short-lived plumes. Data from NASA's Swift satellite and Hubble Space Telescope showed these changes likely occurred after Scheila was struck by a much smaller asteroid. "Collisions between asteroids create rock fragments, from fine dust to huge boulders, that impact planets and their moons," said Dennis Bodewits, an astronomer at the University of Maryland in College Park and lead author of the Swift study. "Yet this is the first time we've been able to catch one just weeks after the smash-up, long before the evidence fades away." none of the emissions most commonly identified in comets, such as hydroxyl or cyanogen, show up in the UVOT spectrum. [confirmed in a negative way here, for this comet]

New crops needed for new climate | e! Science News
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2009/06/29/new.crops.needed.new.climate

Researchers at Monash University in Victoria, Australia have found an increase in toxic compounds, a decrease in protein content and a decreased yield in plants grown under high CO2 and drought conditions. The research ... has shown that the concentration of cyanogenic glycosides, which break down to release toxic hydrogen cyanide, increased in plants in elevated CO2. This was compounded by the fact that protein content decreased, making the plants overall more toxic as the ability of herbivores to break down cyanide depends largely on the ingestion of sufficient quantities of protein.

Chemists reveal how algae delete unwanted 'competitors'
http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-chemists-reveal-algae-delete-unwanted.html

Every morning when the sun comes up, the ocean ground is radically cleaned. As soon as the first rays of sunlight find their way into the water, the microalgae "Nitzschia cf pellucida" start their deadly 'morning hygiene'. The algae, the size of only some few micrometers, wrap themselves and their surroundings in a highly toxic poison: cyanogen bromide, a chemical relative of hydrocyanic acid, although much more toxic.

Like a 'molecular toothbrush', which removes other micro-organisms thoroughly, every morning this chemical mace 'disinfects' the ground on which these diatoms grow. "Thus they can ideally grow and keep direct competitors for light and free space in check," Professor Dr. Georg Pohnert of the Friedrich Schiller University Jena (Germany) states. As soon as the first rays of sunlight find their way into the water, the cellular 'devil's workshop' starts to work. "From two up to four hours after day break the concentration of the released cyanogen bromide is at its highest, later on it decreases," Professor Pohnert explains.

The scientists can still only speculate about the fact that the poison doesn't harm the diatoms [other algae] themselves ... While the 'competing' algae give up.

Prussian blue linked to the origin of life | e! Science News
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2009/12/14/prussian.blue.linked.origin.life

A team of researchers from the Astrobiology Centre (INTA-CSIC) has shown that hydrogen cyanide, urea and other substances considered essential to the formation of the most basic biological molecules can be obtained from the salt Prussian blue. "We have shown that when Prussian blue is dissolved in ammoniac solutions it produces hydrogen cyanide, a substance that could have played a fundamental role in the creation of the first bio-organic molecules, as well as other precursors to the origin of life, such as urea, dimethylhydantoin and lactic acid", Marta Ruiz Bermejo, lead author of the study and a researcher at the Astrobiology Centre (CSIC-INTA), tells SINC.

Urea is considered to be an important reagent in synthesising pyrimidines (the derivatives of which form part of the nucleic acids DNA and RNA), and it has been suggested that hydantoins could be the precursors of peptides and amino acids (the components of proteins), while lactic acid is also of biological interest because, along with malic acid, it can play a role in electron donor-recipient systems.

The researcher and her team have proved that these and other compounds originate from the cyanide liberated by the salt Prussian blue (the name of which refers to the dye used in the uniforms of the Prussian Army) when it is subjected for several days to conditions of pH12 and relatively high temperatures (70-150ºC) in a damp, oxygen-free ammoniac environment, similar to early conditions on Earth. The results of the study have been published recently in the journal Chemistry & Biodiversity.

Astrobiologists discover 'sweet spots' for the formation of complex organic molecules in the galaxy | e! Science News
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2011/11/02/astrobiologists.discover.sweet.spots.formation.complex.organic.molecules.galaxy

Scientists within the New York Center for Astrobiology at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute have compiled years of research to help locate areas in outer space that have extreme potential for complex organic molecule formation. The scientists searched for methanol, a key ingredient in the synthesis of organic molecules that could lead to life. The scientists conclude in the paper that there is a "sweet spot" in the physical conditions surrounding some stars that accounts for the large discrepancy in methanol formation in the galaxy. The complexity of the chemistry depends on how fast certain molecules reach the dust grains surrounding new stars, according the Whittet. The rate of molecule accumulation on the particles can result in an organic boom or a literal dead end.

"Comets are time capsules," Whittet said. "Comets can preserve the early history of our solar system because they contain material that hasn't changed since the solar system was formed." As such, the scientists could look at the concentrations of methanol in comets to determine the amount of methanol that was in our solar system at its birth.

What they found was that methanol concentrations at the birth of our solar system were actually closer to the average of what they saw elsewhere in interstellar space. Methanol concentrations in our solar system were fairly low, at only a few percent ... "This means that our solar system wasn't particularly lucky and didn't have the large amounts of methanol that we see around some other stars in the galaxy," Whittet said. "But, it was obviously enough for us to be here." The results suggest that there could be solar systems out there that were even luckier in the biological game than we were, according to Whittet.
 

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Near-Earth Asteroid 2012 DA14 to Miss Earth on February 15, 2013
Paul Chodas, Jon Giorgini & Don Yeomans
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
March 6, 2012

Discovered by the LaSagra observatory in southern Spain, the small asteroid 2012 DA14 will pass within about 3.5 Earth radii of the Earth's surface on February 15, 2013. Although its size is not well determined, this near-Earth asteroid is thought to be about 45 meters in diameter. Asteroid 2012 DA14 will pass inside the geosynchronous satellite ring, located about 35,800 km above the equator. Its orbit about the sun can bring it no closer to the Earth's surface than 3.2 Earth radii on February 15, 2013. On this date, the asteroid will travel rapidly from the southern evening sky into the northern morning sky with its closest Earth approach occurring about 19:26 UTC when it will achieve a magnitude of less than seven, which is somewhat fainter than naked eye visibility. About 4 minutes after its Earth close approach, there is a good chance it will pass into the Earth's shadow for about 18 minutes or so before reappearing from the eclipse. When traveling rapidly into the northern morning sky, 2012 DA14 will quickly fade in brightness.

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/12966-more-astonishing-bible-proof-warning-athiests-this-is-adult-sensitive-material/page__view__findpost__p__99733

http://www.unexplain...s.php?id=200094
NASA had previously investigated the likelihood that the asteroid Apophis would collide with us in 2029 and reached the conclusion that the chances of that happening were practically zero. Now however Russian scientists believe the asteroid could hit a 'gravitational keyhole' which means the asteroid could swing back and hit us in 2036. NASA have commented on this to confirm that while it is possible the chances are still tiny - about 1 in 250,000. In 2004, NASA scientists announced that there was a chance that Apophis, an asteroid larger than two football fields, could smash into Earth in 2029. A few additional observations and some number-crunching later, astronomers noted that the chance of the planet-killer hitting Earth in 2029 was nearly zilch.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news174.html

http://www.historum.com/religion/35963-why-does-jesus-look-way-he-does-6.html#post959292?postcount=55
http://www.historum.com/blogs/killcarneyklansman/794-shroud.html
 

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http://www.historum.com/blogs/killcarneyklansman/794-shroud.html

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Historical Documents
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Joel 2:10 The Earth shall quake before them, the heavens shall tremble; the sun and moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. [c. 820 BCE]
Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to do down at noon, and I will darken the Earth in the clear day. [c. 800 BCE]

Astronomical records show that no solar eclipse occurred anywhere near the city of Jerusalem during the years of A.D. 30-33 ... A solar eclipse can only occur when the moon passes between the sun and the earth. When this happens, the sun's rays are blocked from shining on the earth and consequently part of the earth is darkened. Therefore, a solar eclipse cannot occur during a full moon. No solar eclipse was possible due to the positions of the sun and moon during the passover. Therefore, the darkness that Thallus and Thallus refer to cannot be explained by natural causes.

Frank Tribbe writes: "The scientific, historical, and other technical data that I refer to as supporting authenticity do unequivocally support the probability of a first-century or very early date for this Shroud and its enigmatic images, and as having originated in the Near East (likely Palestine).

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A Space Time Summary
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[William] Olbers’s Paradox, in astronomy and cosmology, [an] apparent contradiction between a dark night sky and an infinite universe.

The steady-state theory implies that the universe should look approximately the same now as it did billions of years ago. Because light takes time to travel, when astronomers look into space they see light that was emitted in the past, so they can see back in time ... the shape of galaxies has changed over time. Based on this evidence, almost all astronomers now agree that the universe has evolved.

Minkowski, Hermann (1864-1909), Russian mathematician, who developed the concept of the space-time continuum ... the framework for Einstein's 1916 general theory of relativity ... is the basis for later demonstration by physicists of the essential unity of matter and energy, of space and time, and of the forces of gravity and acceleration.

Bell's inequality, on the strength of correlations between measurements made on spatially separated parts of a system. Quantum mechanics violates this inequality; the quantum correlations are stronger than are classically allowed. Bell's inequality converted Einstein's philosophical objection into a testable proposition.

During the late 1960s Hawking proved that if the general theory of relativity is correct, then a singularity must also have occurred at the big bang. The big bang is the explosion that marked the beginning of the universe and the birth of space-time itself.

The concept that time is a fourth dimension—on a par with the three dimensions of space: length, width, and depth—is one of the foundations of modern physics. Although scientists are able to describe the past and the future and demarcations such as seconds and minutes, they cannot define exactly what time is.

Photons may be described as packets of light energy, and scientists use this concept to refer to the particle-like aspect of light.

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Folding Space & Time
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A simple visual explanation of a wormhole, consider spacetime visualized as a two-dimensional (2D) surface. If this surface is folded along a third dimension.

“In summary, our results do not rule out the possibility that a short and intense burst of directional UV radiation, having a very narrow set of duration/intensity/wavelength values, may have played a role in the formation of the body image on the Turin Shroud."

Let x, y, z be the rectangular coordinates of space, and t denote the time. Subjects of our perception are always places and times connected. No one has observed a place except at a particular time, or has observed a time except at a particular place. The manifold of all possible value systems of x, y, z, t, shall be denoted as the [World-Postulate].

In the mechanics reformed according to the world-postulate, the disharmonies which have disturbed the relations between Newtonian mechanics and modern electrodynamics automatically disappear.
 

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http://www.historum.com/speculative-history/28167-danites-sea-peoples-lost-tribes-wanderings-12.html
Prydon = Briton [pirate], Cym[h]ri = robber [is one appellation]

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/mythologyhome.htm
It is possible that earths rotation has been affected more than once before in the past. Velikovsky concluded that the earth was hit twice with a gap of 52 years between events. This is supported by Mayan tradition. The number off times, duration or cause of these incidents remains undetermined.

As Earths rotation has reduced in recent years by an average of one second every 500 days (leap second), our Earth will, if the deceleration rate remains constant, show no self rotation [or very little] around its axis within less than 120,000 years, (8).

8). Hans J. Zillmer. Darwin's Mistake

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae695.cfm
Is the earth's rotation slowing down?

Yes it is, due to a transfer of Earth's rotational momentum to the Moon's orbital momentum as tidal friction slows the Earth's rotation.

The slowing rotation of the Earth results in a longer day as well as a longer month. Once the length of a day equals the length of a month, the tidal friction mechanism will cease.

[It's] been projected to happen once the day and month both equal about 47 (current) days, billions of years in the future. If the Earth and Moon still exist, the Moon's distance will have increased to about 135% of its current value.

Every 18 months on the average, with variation, a leap second is added to planetary time keeping to keep the day consistent with atomic clocks and astronomical observations.

http://www.creation-answers.com/slowing.htm
On the basis of Earth-Moon alignments at the time of ancient eclipses, it seems possible to ultimately conclude that--as a trend--Earth's rotation may be slowing down. From recorded eclipses, modern researchers have been able to determine that the length of the day in ancient times was a bit shorter than the length of the modern day (86,400 seconds).

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-earth-core-rotating-faster-rest.html
Earth's core rotating faster than rest of the planet but slower than previously believed February 20, 2011

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/04/02

Life on Mars to be discovered on "Curiosity" Probe ?

[Hoagland] spins an extraordinary 3-hour tale that will intertwine details of a destroyed Russian probe that was headed to Phobos, a new US Mars rover on its way to the Red Planet, long-suppressed evidence for ancient life on Mars, and the new film "John Carter [of Mars]."

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mars-rover-curiosity-blasts-off-successfully/story?id=15028375
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/01/-the-earth-strain-could-nasas-current-curiosity-probe-on-its-way-to-mars-contaminate-the-planet.html

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/04/01
Astronomer and physicist, Dr. Hugh Ross [some good, bad, indifferent, well thought out ?]

The Book of Job refers to the space-time beginning, as well as "cosmic darkness" as a real substance with geographical locations-- much as current astronomy has pointed to the reality of dark matter, he detailed. Job also contains information on how the planet should manage its resources for the benefit of all life.

Prydan Caithrn Cumhri
http://www.historum.com/speculative-history/28167-danites-sea-peoples-lost-tribes-wanderings-12.html#post989928?postcount=120

Irish pedigrees; or, The origin and stem of the Irish nation (Volume 2) by John O'Hart

Indo-European and non-Indo-European aspects to the languages and place-names in Britain and Ireland [By] George Broderick
 

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Roman Britain 360-536 Part I & II
http://www.historum.com/blogs/killcarneyklansman/850-roman-britain-360-536-part-i.html
http://www.historum.com/blogs/killcarneyklansman/888-roman-britain-360-536-part-ii.html

Good Overview with a Timeline on Early Christianity's struggles in Roman Britain
 

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Astonishing Bible proof and warning to atheists......

When everything is said and done an atheist is still a fool and will remain one unless the Holy Spirit does a work in his or her life. No amount of proof can convince them, because they really don't want it or need it. They are sufficient unto themselves, spiritually speaking.

The only thing that can be accomplished by apologetic argument with an atheist is to pile up evidence that will burn their soul in hell. Too late to do any work of redemption, it will at least provide cleansing fire for the world that is to come. Their refusal has been and always will be their own choice, despite their constant efforts to pin the blame on everyone and anyone else. That is, after all, the atheists' ultimate game piece; to deny their own guilt.

The ultimate evidence for the atheist or anyone else for that matter is that none of us are righteous. We are all sinners. To admit to that is the first step on the road to salvation. Before an alcoholic can take his life back he must admit he is one. Before a sinner can be forgiven he must admit he is one. Before an atheist can know God, he must admit he isn't one.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

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Yes, on so many levels your right RJP ... but we all do what we can ... I guess ... preaching to the choir and all

http://www.christianityboard.com/blog/51/entry-190-more-astonishing-bible-proof/

This is like a coincidence, lol, supper smiley goes here
 

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Roman Britain 360-536 Part III - Historum - History Forums
http://www.historum....6-part-iii.html

According to research led by University CollegeLondon, Anglo-Saxon settlers could have enjoyed a substantial social and economic advantage over the native Celtic Britons who lived in what is now England, for more than 300 years from the middle of the 5th century.

Empiricism vs Rationalism - Historum - History Forums
http://www.historum....ationalism.html

Empiricism, in philosophy, a doctrine that affirms that all knowledge is based on experience, and denies the possibility of spontaneous ideas or a priori thought. Rationalism (Latin ratio,”reason”), in philosophy, a system of thought that emphasizes the role of reason in obtaining knowledge. [Computer AI's]
 

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I am not as familiar with this subject as everyone else here, but I am interested....(somewhat, for who of us could really withstand the ULTIMATE truth?).

God didn't just "inspire" scripture, He designed/engineered it so that we could LEARN well (IF we truly desired to learn ABOUT HIM), so He had Pilate say "What is TRUTH?" (John 18:38). REAL TRUTH (objective truth) is a VERY IMPORTANT lesson to learn. Very often, people rather just settle for SUBJECTIVE/biased truth and only LIKE "truth", BUT...

2 Thessalonians 2:6 "because they refused to LOVE the truth AND SO BE SAVED".
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We all know that, IN THE "FUTURE", there will be a "TIME" when the days (24
hour "days") will be shortened (by ONE THIRD,...8 hours as we currently measure "time"....or was a 36 hour day shortened by "one third"?).


Revelations 8:12
"a third of the day was kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night".

Revelation 10:7 "sounded by the SEVENTH ANGEL, the mystery of God.........shall be FULFILLED".

Matthew 24:22 "will be shortened".......Mark 13:20 "shortened the days".

Jesus came in THE FULNESS OF TIME (the completion/end of "time"). He ended the age of time and began the age of ETERNITY. We now live THE LORD'S "DAY" (the eternal sabbath is forever, not a 24 hour period)......

Ephesians 1:10 "in the fulness of time".

Matthew 12:32 "either in this age or the age to come".

Mark 10:30 "and in the age to come, eternal life"

We don't any longer have mere 'existence' in the age of time, we have LIFE ("THE life" eternal).
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The 'Great Commission' was fulfilled by those who Jesus spoke to 2,000 years ago, now Jesus wants us to "LIVE QUIETLY" minding our own business so we don't cause any arguements/strife (keeping the peace).

1 Thessalonians 4:11 "live quietly, to mind your own affairs".
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=live+quietly&t=RSV&sf=5

While fulfilling the Great Commission, the apostles travelled extensively (not everything is recorded in scripture).

Mark-POPE of Alexandria......
http://www.scriptureseeds.org/Martyrs/JohnMark.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

The PATRON SAINT of India ("patron saint" is a Catholic term, but this is still THE APOSTLE) also founded the ancient "church" in CHINA.......
http://www.orthodoxsyrianchurch.com/st-thomas-apsotle-of-india?showall=1

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/october7/19.14.html

http://prayerfoundation.org/how_apostles_died.htm

http://www.matthewmcgee.org/paultime.html
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Seventeen years after the crucifixion, the Judaizers no longer wanted to "BELONG TO" the Way....

Acts 9:2 "if he found any belonging to the Way".

Acts 19:9 "but when some were stubborn and disbelieved, speaking evil of the Way".

......, only a 'MEMBER OF' can "belong to"....(be a MEMBER that is spiritually residing inside the body that hung on the cross).

Acts 11:26 "and in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians"....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_at_Antioch
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God's will is to restore each one of us to be a "living, breathing, soul" like Adam was before the fall in the Garden of Eden (so that we will no longer be "a man".....unrestored/unredeemed man, FALLEN man).

Revelation 13:18 in the RSV...."it is a HUMAN number" (fallen MAN, it's not the number of a 7th day creation, "new creation" "living, breathing, soul").

God wants us to also rediscover our true identity and establish ourselves (a true "SELF",...a "master of himself" so GOD can have a PERSONAL relationship with our TRUE SELF also).

God doesn't want to be "master" to us, He wants to be "Abba Father" to each of us (so that we can be "SONS of God"), neither does He want us to HAVE TO BE COMMANDED in order that we do "goodness"....

Titus 1:8 "lover of goodness, master of himself".

1 Peter 5:10 "restore, establish, and strengthen you".

Ephesians 3:16 "strengthened with might".

The Jews wanted an EARTHLY kingdom....THIS is who Jesus was speaking to 2,000 years ago,....WE know what is relevant to us today....the "DOCTRINE of CHRIST" (2 John 1:9).

Matthew 8:12 "while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into outer darkness, there men will weep and gnash their teeth"......

The Jews obeyed God and did what they were supposed to do. They just never realized that they lived their lives with a seared conscience and were always a nervous wreck because of COLD OBEDIENCE, so they unknowingly "wept and gnashed their teeth" all their lives, even still......

"none of them is lost but the son of perdition" (John 17:12).

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition"....

We are not TRULY INTENT on doing God's will unless we are living as "those who will be judged under the LAW OF LIBERTY".....

James 2:12 "So speak and so act as those who will be judged under the LAW OF LIBERTY".

We have always been so willing/happy to "follow" all of the lies (perditious beliefs) that MAN has for us. WE (the modern secular "church") are the result/"son" of centuries of perditious beliefs ("son of perdition").....and we are "lawless" because we don't live the "perfect law" (law of liberty....the ONLY law for those IN JESUS.).

God simply wants (His "WILL") comply/observe the proverbial 'natural law' so humanity can all live in peace (peaceful co-existence, peace and "harmony"). Even how we speak to each other should be carefully "self-controlled (lest we let "nature" take it's natural course...the "cycle of nature" (we don't want to start fights).....

James 3:6
"The tongue is an unrighteous world among our members, staining the whole body,
setting on fire the cycle of NATURE".

When I started writing this post, I had no intention of "sermonizing", but then I realized that "contrast" to what we have always been taught was necessary.

Fomenko's claim that the records of world history have been tampered with and falsified is closely related to the "mammon" teachings we've received (the 666 "mammon spirituality" versus the DIVINE SPIRITUAITY of God is very covert and insidious). A paradigm shift in thinking (new reference point, AGE OF ETERNITY, DIVINE SPIRIT) is necessary to understand that devotion is not about loving/revering/glorifying MAN in the pulpit or benches/pews, it's about loving/glorifying GOD ONLY (and respecting each other peacefully with human rights).
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Okay, I've already showed that the true name of 'Jesus devotion' is "THE WAY" (do with that information what you wish, it matters little) and that God's WILL/DESIRE is that we live together peacefully (natural law, don't set it on fire, the HELL of "fire", Matthew 5:22).

The philosophy that "natural law" should govern the behavior of a person is shared by most philosophers like Socrates, Plato, etc. and also shared by some HEATHEN/pagan belief systems, one of them is called "the TAO"......the english translation is "THE WAY"..................WOW, could Fomenko be right?....is ancient China only about 1100 years old???.

In John 14:6, in the first nine words, Jesus tells us what He is....

"I am THE WAY....".

"I am....THE TRUTH...." (answering Pilates question).

"I am....THE LIFE" (in the age of eternity).

Jesus was not speaking with poetic liscense in verse 6, He meant every word.

All verses are from the RSV.

My computer isn't compatible with the editing function here (it used to be, same computer but AOL seems to have added updates that change the settings without me knowing, or maybe Microsoft), so you might notice small fonts that I can't control.
 

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We all know that, IN THE "FUTURE", there will be a "TIME" when the days (24
hour "days") will be shortened (by ONE THIRD,...8 hours as we currently measure "time"....or was a 36 hour day shortened by "one third"?).
Revelations 8:12 "a third of the day was kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night".

True, this is future, but it is not permanent ... the light, day, moon, stars aren't permited to shine

Bullinger: Rev 8:11-12

The name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became [the] wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; in order that the third part of them should be darkened, and the day should not shine for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

12. sun, moon, stars. The Lord Himself foretold these signs. Matt. 24:29. Mark 13:24. Luke 21:25, and Cp. Isa. 5:30. Jer. 4:28. &c.

Strong's: helios
1) the sun 2) the rays of the sun 3) the light of day

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William Lane Craig and the Kalam Cosmological Argument
http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68852

Good stuff connecting Anu, Dayanu, and princes, Rabu to Hebrews, Aramean, Mesopotamians

http://www.historum.com/speculative-history/28167-danites-sea-peoples-lost-tribes-wanderings-13.html#post1037000?postcount=126
http://www.historum.com/speculative-history/28167-danites-sea-peoples-lost-tribes-wanderings-13.html#post1037036?postcount=127
 

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I was using the word "FUTURE" almost (ALMOST) sarcastically/loosely, because in ETERNITY, there really is no such thing as "future" ("future" is a "time concept, I will experience the next part of my "eternity" tomorrow).

"Eternity" is a DIVINE concept, not a concept that humans can actually fathom or express correctly/fully/properly [with human expression]. I can use it as a word and allude to the basic earthly concept, but I can't actually know what it's like (I can't actually claim to FEEL IT experientially).

You and I [who havre accepted Jesus] were already saved at birth in the delivery room (we just weren't aware of it at the time, but our understanding/knowledge has no reflection on the effectiveness of God in our lives).

Hebrews 4:3
"although his works were finished from the foundation of the world".
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=the+foundation+of+the+world&t=RSV&sf=5

.....We have the final "sin sacrifice". 'Transgression against' (violation of) the commandments brought down from the mountain by Moses establishes/constitutes something called "SIN" (violations of the rules/ordinances that Moses himself added are NOT "sin", the Hebrews chose to DESIGNATE those violations a 'no no' type of sin/"transgression",....FOR THEIR 'RELIGION').

In a sense, God is the "ROYAL HUMANITARIAN" ("in effect"....for comparison CLARIFICATION) of humanity (His offspring). In Eden before the fall, we were sons of God and "living, breathing, souls" experiencing eternity. After the fall, we were no longer being raised and mentored by GOD, we became "sons of men" (God wants to "RESTORE" us to be sons OF HIS.

So my use of the word "future" was a "failure to communicate" properly (sorry).

The "eternity" that we WILL experience later on will be a CONTINUATION ("permanent" like you said) of today's eternity,.....but in eternity, there is no such thing as "future". The word as we use it is all we have available in order to EXPRESS tomorrow, etc., this is why it is a "loose" understanding of God (my expression of the concept was "loose"......and almost comical because God IS "eternity").

WE [in The Lord] ARE living the "eternal sabbath" (The Lord's "DAY" is not a "TIME" period).

The point I was trying to make before is that we don't actually know if the crucifixion happened 1,000 years ago or 10,000 years ago, etc., or exactly when Thomas founded the church in China, but because of the english translation of the words "the Tao" and the philosophy and lifestyle of "peace" taught by Jesus, it is reasonable to SUPPOSE that the church that was founded was for those who accepted the gospel ("doctrine of Christ") from Thomas (all who didn't accept the gospel formed the Tao philosophy). Because "the WAY" is the original/genuine name of 'Jesus devotion', "time" is is 'warped'/transformed into "eternity").

Who knows how many eons of knowledge were lost from the burning of the library at Alexandria?.
http://www.bede.org.uk/library.htm

Wikipedia blames it on Caesar but most lilely there is a lot to the story that was never discovered (maybe it was covert,....secret societies).

Ancient Egyptian inventions and advanced societies covered up?......

http://voices.yahoo.com/ancient-rama-empire-india-150790.html?cat=34

http://illuminanet.tripod.com/id6.html

http://einhornpress.com/default.aspx

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/ancient-egyptian-inventions.html

http://voices.yahoo.com/ancient-chinese-inventions-discoveries-printing-420191.html?cat=37

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile

.....(the "Aeolipile" is also sometimes spelled "Aeropile").

In the "divine" spiritual sense, we shouldn't consider "time" as being a tangible concept.
 

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I have a dial-up connection. It would probably take me a full 24 hours to download that video, but I went to youtube and read the caption and his other titles (he talks about "The God of "TIME",....WRONG), but that's not all....

"Prophets" were for the O.T., now God speaks to us by His son ("prophecies" were meant for the sons of the EARTHLY kingdom that the Jews had always wanted. "Prophecies" are units/pieces of "time" that likely repeat themselves all throughout the existence of "time".

Virtually all believers find them to be entertaining (because they haven't learned to take God seriously). The divine creator is not an entertainer, His intention IS NOT to amuse us with anecdotes of foretelling the future (fortune-telling is not of God).

Matthew 8:12
"while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness".

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=prophets+of+old&t=RSV&sf=5

You don't have to get serious with The Lord if you don't want to (I will not be disappointed). YOU are the only one on earth that should be making decisions about the destiny of your soul and what you will believe, don't trust anyone else to care for your soul.
 

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http://answers.yahoo...06131912AArTt6z

Joshua 10:12-14
Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

The Iliad CH:18
He wrought the earth, the heavens, and the sea; the moon also at her full and the untiring sun, with all the signs that glorify the face of heaven--the Pleiades, the Hyades, huge Orion, and the Bear, which men also call the Wain and which turns round ever in one place, facing Orion, and alone never dips into the stream of Oceanus.

Greek Mythology - Ovid. Metamorphoses
The Greek legend is that of the Latin poet, Ovid, who wrote that Pheathon, who claimed parentage from the sun, tried to drive the chariot of the sun but was unable to make his way 'against the whirling poles,' and 'their swift axis' swept him away. The chariot of the sun moved 'no longer in the same course as before.' The horses 'break loose from their course' and 'rush aimlessly, knocking against the stars set deep in the sky and snatching the chariot along through uncharted ways. The constellations of the cold Bears tried to plunge into the forbidden sea, and the suns chariot roamed...as a useless ship driven before the headlong blast, whose pilot has let the rudder go and abandoned the ship to the gods..'. Ovid then continues to describe how 'The earth burst into flame...' and catastrophe ensued. He ends the story with the phrase, 'she (the earth) ... sank back a little lower than her wanton place'.

Egyptian Mythology - Plato. Timaeus
Solon - On his visit to Egypt, questioned the priests on early history and lore was told '.... in truth, the story that is told in your country as well as ours, how once upon a time Phaethon, son of Helios, yoked his fathers chariot, and, because he was unable to drive it along the course taken by his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth and himself perished in a thunderbolt - that story, as it is told, has the fashion of a legend, but the truth of it lies in the occurrence of a shifting of the bodies in the heavens which move around the earth, and a destruction of things on the earth...'.

Notice these myths on the other side of the planet had no sun ->

Sahagun - The Spanish savant who came to America a generation Columbus and gathered the traditions of the natives, wrote that at the time of one cosmic catastrophe the sun rose only a little way over the horizon and remained there without moving: the moon also stood still.

The Andeans record a myth-story that the sun stayed away for twenty hours. This event is said to have occurred under the reign of Yupanqui Pachacuti II, the fifteenth ruler of the old time.

In the Mexican 'Annals of Cuauhtitlan' or 'Codex Chimpalpopoca' - the history of the empire in Culhuacan and Mexico, written in Nahua-Indian in the sixteenth century - it is related that during a cosmic catastrophe that occurred in the remote past, the night did not end for an extended period of time.

Immanuel Velikovsky’s “Worlds in Collision.” If Joshua’s long day (not “missing” day) occurred—and of course I believe that it did—then we would expect its effects to show up in the historical records of other nations, and that is exactly what we find.

http://www.ancient-w...m#sunstoodfirst
http://israelite.inf...-mythology.html
http://bible.org/que...-scientifically
Just more proof for me that Israelites migrated to Europe! They may have had a pagan understanding of God and all the He is, but nonetheless, God said they would turn from Him in a new land, with a new name and language. Praise God!
 

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My Arthritis has been bothering me lately, I'm sorry for the late response ,,, but apparently ... I'm on it's schedule not mine :ph34r:


What I was trying to get at ... thisistheendtimes ... is that in Rev. 8 many things have yet to be decided ... humanity is still in the flesh and must suffer it.

Some of your other ideas are valid ... but, you tend to drift a bit from the subject ... There's enough evidence in mind in a physical science sense that there was a historical Jesus ... though science might hedge on this ... It is pretty much accepted history that some "Jesus" lived in the years 4 BC - 34 AD ... Well, what I believe ... isn't always important to people ... but, I have know doubt ... more than likely, that the Christ portrayed in the Bible and on the Shroud ... was speaking to our hearts ... and not to us as "school children in a classroom" ... though probably both analogies would hold up well.

As far as prophecy goes there will always be ... until the end, nor shall one prophecy fail ... after that prophecy will be useless in an eternal sense ... this is why God gives us Gifts so we can use them for him.
 
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