Maps for studying Genesis

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Is it just the table of Nations of Genesis 10 you are interested in? or other parts of Genesis too?

Some of those maps have someone's not very good matches.

The common/usual old conventional matches are:

Eden - Jerusalem area (Israel)?
Hiddekel/Tigris - Tigris in east Iraq.
Perath/Euphrates - Euphrates in west Iraq.
Enoch - Unug/Uruk/Erech (south Iraq)
Ararat - Urartu (east Turkey/Armenia/northwest Iran) or Aratta (somewhere not far from Iraq)?

Ham - South, black/African/Negroid
Ham - Egypt
Cush - Ethiopia/Sudan
Mizraim - Egypt/Sudan
Phut/Put - Libya?
Canaan - Israel/Palestine/Holy Land
Seba/Sheba - Saba (Yemen/Aden/South Arabia)
Nimrod - southern & northern Iraq
Shinar - Sumeria (south Iraq)
Asshur - Assyria (north Iraq)
Babel - Babylon (middle Iraq)
Erech - Uruk/Warka (south Iraq)
Accad - Akkad/Agade (Iraq area)
Nineveh - Nineveh (in Assyria, north east Iraq)
Calah - Kalah (in Assyria, north east Iraq)
Caphtorim - Keftiou ("Crete" in Greece/Turkey)
Lehabim - supposedly Libya but this is wrong.
Ludim - Lydian (west Turkey) or Libya?
Pathrusim - Pathros/Aturres (Upper/South Egypt)
Philistim - Philistines (Gaza Strip, Palestine/Israel)
Sidon - Sidon in Phoenicia (Lebanon)
Heth - Hittites (Turkey)
Jebusite - Jebus/Salem/Jerusalem (south Israel)
Sinim/Sinite - Sinai (between Egypt & Israel)?
Hamathite - Hamath in Syria.
Sodom - Dead Sea area (between Israel & Jordan)
Horim/Horites - Akharru/Kharu (Syria-Palestine/Jordan) or Hurrians (north Iraq & Israel).

Shem - Middle, Asia/Yellow or White/Europe/Caucasoid.
Shem - Sham (Syria-Palestine) or Shumer (south Iraq)
Elam - Elamtu/Elam (Iran/Persia)
Asshur - Assyria (north Iraq/Mesopotamia)
Lud - Lydia (west Turkey) or Lullubi (around Iraq area)
Aram - Syria
Aram-naharaim - "Mesopotamia" (Syria/Iraq)
Padan-aram - north Iraq / Syria
Eber/Heber - Hebrews west of river Euphrates
Joktan - Kahtan (Saudi Arabia)
Hazarmaveth - Hadhramaut (Yemen/Aden/South Arabia)
Sheba/Seba - Saba (Yemen/South Arabia)
Uzal - in Yemen
Haran - Haran (in north west Iraq / east Syria)
Ur (ha) Kasdim "Ur of the Chaldees" - Ur city (south Iraq) or Urfa (northwest Iraq/east Syria/southeast Turkey)
Lot - Jordan
Ammon - Amman (Jordan)
Moab - Jordan
Ishmael - Arabs (Saudi Arabia etc)
Midian - Midyan or Medina (north west Saudi Arabia)
Isaac - Israel/Palestine, Jordan.
Esau/Edom - Idumea/Seir (southern Israel, southern Jordan)
Jacob/Israel - Israel/Palestine.

Japheth - North, Europe/Caucasoid/White or Asia/Mongoloid/Yellow.
Isles of the Goyim/Gentiles - islands between Greece & Turkey, or coastlands/continents of world.
Gomer - Cimmerians/Gimirrai (around Black Sea and Iraq)
Madai - Medes (Iran)
Javan - Ionians (Greece)
Tubal - Tabal (eastern Turkey area)
Meshech - Mushki/Moschi (eastern Turkey area) or Moscow (Russia)
Ashkenaz/Ashkuz - Saca/Saka/Scythians (around Iran area)
Togarmah - Tilgarimmu in Assyrian empire
Elishah - Alashiya ("Cyprus"), or Elis or Hellas (Greece), or Elysium/Elysian (Greek myth).
Tarshish - Tartessos (south Spain) or Tarsus (south east Turkey)
Kittim - Kition/Citium in Cyprus
Dodanim/Rodanim - Rhodes (Greece islands) or Dardanian (Troy in north western Turkey)

(sorry I can't plot these on map(s) but I gave the modern countries names in brackets and you can see them in maps/atlas.)

But many of the nations/names the table of nations are not really known for certain and I don't agree with some of them. The old theories mostly only focus on the Middle East whereas I have more worldwide matches (eg Meshech ~ Mexica/Mexico?)
I have alot of different possible matches for the names in Genesis 10 but it is not possible to put them all on a map.
I can PM you some links for the Table of Nations if you wish, I won't post them in here.
You could also try searching Google images for Table of Nations + map/maps.

Sorry I didn't know they were your maps as they are in wikipedia, and for some reason I thought you were asking/looking for maps but I see I misread. I didn't mean any offense, I just thought some matches are not very likely for various reasons.

Can you demonstrate one or more paths? I couldn't really find any definite geographical successions myself.

Its possible Meshech/Mash could match Basques/Vascones (Spain) since b & m interchange in some languages and Meshwesh is also/alternatively spelt with a W instead of an M in Egyptian. But it is not definite. Even my Mexico is not definite either.

See some of my own identification research here:
All-Dread: Table of Nations Genesis 10
All-Dread: Table of Nations part 2
Table of Nations of Genesis 10 | Ahavat Elohim (The Love Of God) Messianic Discussion Forums
Table of Nations (Genesis 10) - History Forum ~ All Empires - Page 1

Some some other peoples theories here:
Generations of Noah - Wikipedia
NATIONS AND LANGUAGES, THE SEVENTY - JewishEncyclopedia.com
THE TABLE OF NATIONS
Genetic Table of Nations
The Table of Nations
Table of Nations by Tim Osterholm
Map of the Origin of Nations in Genesis 10 (Bible History Online)

Josho said:

An interesting lot of information I just found on Facebook

PASSING ON THIS INFORMATION............

*”IRAQ and the BIBLE"

Very interesting, Heart Touching and Educating.

*DID YOU KNOW THAT?*

*1.* The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

*2.* Mesopotamia which is now Iraq was the cradle of civilization!

*3.* Noah built the ark in Iraq.

*4.* The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

*5.* Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

*6.* Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor which is in Iraq.

*7.* Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

*8.* Jonah preached in Nineveh, which is in Iraq.

*9.* Assyria which is in Iraq conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

*10.* Amos cried out in Iraq!

*11.* Babylon which is in Iraq destroyed Jerusalem.

*12.* Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

*13.* The 3 Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq.

*14.* Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

*15.* Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

*16.* Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

*17.* The wise men were from Iraq.

*18.* Peter preached in Iraq.

*19.* The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon which was a city in Iraq!

*AND, DID YOU ALSO KNOW THAT?*

Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq!
However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Chaldean, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots. Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible. Here's why:

Eden was in Iraq-Genesis 2:10-14
Adam & Eve were created in Iraq-Genesis 2:7-8
Satan made his first recorded appearance in Iraq-Genesis 3:1-6
Nimrod established Babylon & Tower of Babel was built in Iraq-Genesis 10:8-97; 11:1-4
The confusion of the languages took place in Iraq-Genesis 11:5-11
Abraham came from a city in Iraq-Genesis 11:31; Acts 7:2-4
Isaac's bride came from Iraq-Genesis 24:3-4; 10
Jacob spent 20 years in Iraq-Genesis 27:42-45; 31:38
The first world Empire was in Iraq-Daniel 1:1-2;2:36-38
The greatest revival in history was in a city in Iraq-Jonah 3
The events of the book of Esther took place in Iraq-Esther
The book of Nahum was a prophecy against a city in Iraq-Nahum
The book or Revelation has prophecies against Babylon, which was the old name for the nation of Iraq-Revelation 17 &18

No other nation, except Israel, that has more history and prophecy associated to it than Iraq.

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Josho, without a reference to the supposed information, the information you posted is just an opinion which I believe is dubious.

The Bible does not tell us where Adam was created or where God formed Eve out of Adam's rib.

The Bible does not tell us where the Garden of Eden was. All that we know is that Adam was sent out towards the east from the Garden of Eden as the Cherubim guarding the Garden of Eden was placed to the east of garden.

Nahor moved to Haran were Terah settled and Haran today would be placed in Syria. With that being the case, Isaac's wife was sort in Syria.

Jacob went to Haran in Syria to find himself a wife from his mother's family, namely from her brother's family, i.e. Laban's household.

The Medes and Persians came from the mountains to the east of the land of the Chaldeans.

I look forward to learning your source for the information that you have posted.

Shalom

Iraq definitely plays a major part in Biblical & world history. But I also dispute some of the statements.

I don't agree that the garden of Eden was in Iraq. That theory is based on two of the rivers in Genesis 2 are supposedly the same as 2 of the rivers in Mesopotamia/Iraq (Hiddekel/Tigris and Perath/Euphrates). But these rivers may not match those ones in Iraq for various reasons including:
- Only 2 of the rivers supposedly match, the other 2 rivers are not certain.
- Neither of the two rivers meet at their source or their mouth like the ones in Genesis.
- The flood would have altered such small local rivers.
- Only one of the 4 lands supposedly matches (Asshur/Assyria), the other 3 lands are uncertain or identified with places outside of Mesopotamia such as Ethiopia/Cush.
- The 4 rivers are not in Eden, the river comes out of Eden and becomes 4 rivers.
- Biblically it would make more spiritual sense of the whole bible story for Eden to be in Israel/Palestine.

There is no proof that Noah built the Ark in Iraq. And if the Durupinar formation is the Ark then it is said to be composed of material not native to Iraq.

Ur (ha) Kasdim of Abraham is not definitely Ur city, though it probably was in south or middle or north Iraq.

It is not certain whether "Babylon" where Peter was was Babylon or Rome or other.

The harlot "Babylon" in Revelation is not definitely Babylon in Iraq. It seems to be implied to be Rome except for the "in the wilderness" part.

The 3 magi or wise men are not specifically identified as to what nation they came from, though there was a find from Sippar in Iraq relating to the Star of Bethlehem.

Esther was in Iran/Persia not Iraq. Though some sources do include the rivers of Elam (southwest Iran) in Mesopotamia since they join with the Tigris.

Interestingly in a star chart I found that Draco is roughly where north-west Europe is, Virgo is roughly overwhere Israel is, and Orion is roughly over Iraq.

granpa said:

That sounds interesting. Where is this star chart?

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Its in Pears Junior Cyclopedia in section on Astronomy.
Though it has it similar to Mercator projection map of the globe and I realize that any star chart (and any world map) is arbitrary in how it lays out the stars because the stars of the two hemispheres are 360 degrees all around and there is no set west/east beginning/starting point. But its still interesting how Orion is roughly same place in chart as Iraq is in world map, and Virgo roughly same place as Israel, and Leo roughly Syria/middle east, and Draco roughly n.w. Europe or USA.

Jay Ross said:

The Bible does not tell us where Adam was created or where God formed Eve out of Adam's rib.

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Since the Garden of Eden was in Iraq or Mesopotamia in the past (based upon the rivers which ran through it), it would follow that Adam and Eve were created very near that Garden. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

granpa said:

Havilah and Kush are in Africa

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That may be so. But not the Hiddekel (Tigris) or the Euphrates. Those are in Iraq even to this day. It is more than likely that the Garden of Eden may have been near Baghdad.