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justbyfaith

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And they are all "accidents", and you never sin willfully.
Uh huh.
And you never lie, except for that one.
(but that was an accident)
If I sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins (Hebrews 10:26).

You appear to be wanting to condemn me as a willful and deliberate sinner.

Of course, someone would have to be lying to say that they are saved in light of the verse in question...

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In your opinion and your opinion only....
You're omniscient?
It is “ my” opinion that the opposite is true.....NON OSAS believers are some of the most judgmental people on earth!

So there ya go.....now what?
If OSAS is true I can't ever be unsaved! Now you can judge me again as unsaved. That's what OSASers love doing!
 

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We are SAVED by GRACE......yet in NONE of the preceding posts do we see that word even mentioned....strange, that......
When I sin, which is way more often than I’d like to admit....I do the same thing with my Sins that God does—— I put them on the Cross .....and then , like God, as far as Salvation is concerned....I “ remember them no more.....
Nobody “ gets away” with anything though ....I accept any Chastisement that comes my way to teach myself and others a lesson ......
As far as Salvation goes however —- “ Where Sin abounds, Grace SUPER ABOUNDS” ..... I thank and Praise God for His Grace .....the ONLY thing that ever Saved anybody that ever got Saved .....and as I pointed out....
It is never even mentioned.....I try to be like Paul—- I try not to “Hold back the Grace Of God” and I , because if my Strong Faith in the Blood That purchased that Grace for me ......I BOLDLY approach the Throne of Grace for my Forgiveness....God likes that...
Mental Midgets like those we see on display in these forums at times , think that gives people a “ License to Sin”.....they are Ignorant....In reality, knowing these things to be True makes me want to sin less.....you have to live it to understand it.....If Grace has never been extended to you, you’ll never know either .....
There is a price to pay when you disobey God By Adding to His Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing.....you “ Fall From Grace”..... Not having it extended to you in your life and experiencing a crippled Walk Of Faith , never having any true Rest or Assurance or Peace or Joy In your lifetime —- always having to worry about your “ performance” ( have I “ done” enough, have I “ Repented” enough)—— perhaps that is what “ Falling from Grace “ entails.......some had better hope so.....a lot of smart teachers say it is equivalent to Damnation.....we’ll see, won’t we ?

BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! You believe that after being saved, people can sin the rest of their lives and they are guaranteed heaven.
You are just not being honest with people and or maybe yourself.
The OSAS crowd and this new denomination in which some are the same thing....does not look past their nose. It is not what the Bible says and it makes no sense because heaven would be full of evil...and then what would be the purpose of hell.
 
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Then again if heaven will be the abode of evil, what is hell for?


Heaven is for FORGIVEN evil- doers ( David, Lot, etc) — Forgiven for their Faith ,while Hell is reserved for UNFORGIVEN Evil-Doers like Hitler who “ could “ have been Saved , but refused to “ Cash In” On Jesus had ALREADY accomplished “ for” them at the Cross......
Both groups did their evil.......Believers went to Heaven and Unbelievers went to Hell....it was what they Believed- NOT how they behaved....Grace ain’t “ Fair”. Get over it .

BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! You believe that after being saved, people can sin the rest of their lives and they are guaranteed heaven.
You are just not being honest with people and or maybe yourself.
The OSAS crowd and this new denomination in which some are the same thing....does not look past their nose. It is not what the Bible says and it makes no sense because heaven would be full of evil...and then what would be the purpose of hell.
 
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Repentance with regards to the yet unsaved and lost, is from unbelief in God and Him whom he sent, Jesus Christ. If you object to that, by all means refute.

Still not true, because Paul preached faith AND repentance for salvation, and Jesus made clear He came to call SINNERS to repentance.

Belief and repentance are clearly separate. You can believe in Jesus but not want to turn from sin.

Your claim is simply not a reasonable interpretation of the scriptures, such as Peter preaching on the of Pentecost when the church started. REPENT and be baptized FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
 

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Still not true, because Paul preached faith AND repentance for salvation, and Jesus made clear He came to call SINNERS to repentance.

Belief and repentance are clearly separate. You can believe in Jesus but not want to turn from sin.

Your claim is simply not a reasonable interpretation of the scriptures, such as Peter preaching on the of Pentecost when the church started. REPENT and be baptized FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It should be clear that whosoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God (1 John 5:1)...

And that it is true of these that they "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9).
 

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It should be clear that whosoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God (1 John 5:1)...

And that it is true of these that they "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9).

You have to consider all scriptures, not just the ones you like.

Repentance and belief are needed for salvation.
 

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You have to consider all scriptures, not just the ones you like.

Repentance and belief are needed for salvation.
I am saying that you cannot have genuine belief without also having repentance by those scriptures.
 

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Tong2020 said:
Is that true with the already saved (true Christians)? Yes or No and explain why.

Is that true with the Jews? Yes or No and explain why.

Is that true with the Gentiles? Yes or No and explain why.

Is that true with the pagans? Yes or No and explain why.

Is that true with the atheists? Yes or No and explain why.
No; because I am not a student in your classroom.

But feel free to answer your own questions.
Yes, you are not my student and I am no teacher. Just a simple Christian who read and study God’s words in scriptures. But such reaction of yours gives the impression that the questions seems to teach you. For so perhaps they did.

I can see that you find your excuse in that. No problem.

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Tong2020 said:
Repentance with regards to the yet unsaved and lost, is from unbelief in God and Him whom he sent, Jesus Christ. If you object to that, by all means refute.
Still not true, because Paul preached faith AND repentance for salvation, and Jesus made clear He came to call SINNERS to repentance.

Belief and repentance are clearly separate. You can believe in Jesus but not want to turn from sin.

Your claim is simply not a reasonable interpretation of the scriptures, such as Peter preaching on the of Pentecost when the church started. REPENT and be baptized FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
<<<You can believe in Jesus but not want to turn from sin.>>>

Is that coming from you? It’s definitely not from me. For the desire to repent from sin will fill the hearts of them who have repented unto God and unto faith in Jesus Christ.

The yet unsaved and lost, no matter what repentance they do, even from sin, unless it is repentance from unbelief in God and Him whom he sent, Jesus Christ, will not attain them salvation. Repentance from sin would only make any sense and good when they have already repented towards faith in God and toward Jesus Christ.

Consider a Muslim, if he repents from his sin, will that attain him salvation? I know you know the right answer to that.

Regarding Peter’s preaching at Pentecost, you just repeat referring to it, when I have already pointed out to you that the repentance Peter was telling the Jews to do is repentance towards believing that Jesus is the Christ, is the Lord. What you ought to do is refute what I said and not just keep pointing to that same scriptures. Don’t you have any other scriptures that you think supports your position?

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.....same old story....”Sure, Jesus Saves —- BUT! Nah, not buying it.

“ Anybody that Asks to be Saved, WILL BE Saved” ....the Onus is on God to keep His Word ....you keep saying over and over and over again, “ God is a Gentleman” ......I agree with that ....and a “ Gentleman wouldn’t tell lies.....would he?

Now please excuse me as I go back to RESTING in the Gospel Of 1Cor 15:1-4.......Jesus said, using Paul as His Mouthpiece , That If we simply BELIEVED that Christ died for our Sins( the crux of your problem because you don’t really believe it), and also Believe that He rose from the dead, we would be Saved.....That Works for me.....it’s sad that you lack the Faith that I have and that you feel the need to ADD to the Gospel, essentially making yourself a “ Co -Savior”...... God won’t have it.
It's sad that you don't seem to believe this:

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)​
 

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I like your post until your last paragraph that excited some doubt as to my own situation. Author of may surprise you, I followed somewhat of a similar path as yourself. The theology of salvation came to me a long time after the experience.
I do have a question however. I do agree that Christians do indeed sense in their conscience a need to turn away from sin as the Spirit of God prompts. And I would add that in reading God's word, for example Exodus 20, we may, if we believe God's word, we may be convicted of sin through our faith in God's word. My question though, what of a Christian ignores his own conscience in favor of the the fleshly lust, or whatever is motivating his sin?


When we foolishly give in to those sins that “ so Easily beset us” we need to do the same thing with them that God does—- put them on the Cross and “ remember them no more”.....

“ where sin abounds, Grace Super Abounds” Any Fools out there that think they can “ play the system” and “get away” with Sinning is going to be in for a Rude awakening .....God is going to Chastise His Errant Children here on earth in their lifetime....He knows how to turn the “ pleasures of Sin” into something all together different.....Sin will eventually have all the Allure Of sticking one’s hand in a fire.....you’ll give it up soon enough....how many trips to “ God’s Wood- Shed” you have to endure is entirely up to you.....Grace covers all sins for the Believer......you ain't gonna be damned for Sinning ( people are only damned for Unbelief) ...
Yep, the Grace of God has got you covered as far as Salvation is concerned ( that was a “ free gift, remember)..... you will make it to Heaven if you Rest in the Gospel Of Grace ( 1Cor15:1-4) the only Problem for you is that you will be standing before him with a lot of scars on your rear- end......the wise Believers that obeyed God will have clear consciences and a scarless butt on that day.....you may get to explain to Jesus why you persisted in Sins after what He did for you on the Cross on that Day....You can make it to Heaven “ like a man barely escaping a fire” or you can hear the words—-“ well done, good and faithful servant”...... the choice is yours.....
 

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When we foolishly give in to those sins that “ so Easily beset us” we need to do the same thing with them that God does—- put them on the Cross and “ remember them no more”.....

“ where sin abounds, Grace Super Abounds” Any Fools out there that think they can “ play the system” and “get away” with Sinning is going to be in for a Rude awakening .....God is going to Chastise His Errant Children here on earth in their lifetime....He knows how to turn the “ pleasures of Sin” into something all together different.....Sin will eventually have all the Allure Of sticking one’s hand in a fire.....you’ll give it up soon enough....how many trips to “ God’s Wood- Shed” you have to endure is entirely up to you.....Grace covers all sins for the Believer......you ain't gonna be damned for Sinning ( people are only damned for Unbelief) ...
Yep, the Grace of God has got you covered as far as Salvation is concerned ( that was a “ free gift, remember)..... you will make it to Heaven if you Rest in the Gospel Of Grace ( 1Cor15:1-4) the only Problem for you is that you will be standing before him with a lot of scars on your rear- end......the wise Believers that obeyed God will have clear consciences and a scarless butt on that day.....you may get to explain to Jesus why you persisted in Sins after what He did for you on the Cross on that Day....You can make it to Heaven “ like a man barely escaping a fire” or you can hear the words—-“ well done, good and faithful servant”...... the choice is yours.....

As you said.
Jesus has all our sin, and we have all God's Righteousness.
= born again.
 
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I happen to agree with everything you said in the above post. I certainly believe that it is far far more difficult for Christian to finally be lost, than to be saved, simply because of the sustaining power of God. I would however like to comment on the following that I excerpted from your post...
.you ain't gonna be damned for Sinning ( people are only damned for Unbelief) ...
And again, I agree with this. However, I think there are nuances to your statement here that need clarifying, and I think the parable of the Prodigal son was perhaps given for that reason. See, the prodigal was absolutely steeped in the pleasures of sin and the joys of debauchery, gambling, and easy living...until he ran out of dough. Then as you so eloquently put it, came the woodshed. And praise God for woodsheds right? I've been there, it ain't fun, but it was necessary. The whole idea of course of the woodshed was to open the eyes of the prodigal so that he recognized his hopeless position, and turn back to his father right? But what I would like to stress, is that while wallowing in sin, the prodigal was no where in cooey of having a relationship with his father. Though his father had hope of his homecoming, it wasn't guaranteed. While our heavenly Father will oversee proceedings and at the most opportune moment take advantage of our decrepit position (you are miserable, poor, blind and naked) there is never a guarantee that we will avail ourselves of that opportunity. The Spirit of God does not always strive with man. And sin really does deceive. And you are right, it won't be the sin that condemns us...it will be our utter miserable self inflicted deception that will tell us that God will never forgive us. That we are irrevocably lost and without hope. (Which in one sense is true...but with Christ all things are possible). The thing is, the further from Christ we are, the more we can convince ourselves that He doesn't care...He doesn't believe in us any more...and therefore we can no longer believe, trust, or put our faith in Him. So we wallow in self pity, and refuse to go home. That's the danger. And it does happen. IT doesn't happen easily, because God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. But He will let us have that which we most desire. He does not force Himself upon us. Discipline us, yes, if we are willing to accept His counsel and respond to His calling. But not all do. Sad, but true. And that my friend is the evil...the deceptive nature of sin. It does still separate us from God. And I know from experience, it ain't easy to come back.
 

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I certainly believe that it is far far more difficult for Christian to finally be lost,

A Born Again Christian can't be "lost".
Its impossible.
Jesus said so. He told us, "you shall never perish".
Thats a fact.
Can God lie?

Here is how to see it.

Jesus is in the born again, and the Holy Spirit is in the born again, and the born again are IN GOD.
We are IN ....God.
How?
Born again, INTO the Spirit of God, by the Holy Spirit. = "ONE with God".

So, if you think you can change that by your mindset or your lifestyle, then you are fooling yourself all the way to the grave.

Try to understand, that if a born again person went to Hell, then God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, would have to go with you, as you are IN THEM, and they are IN YOU....if you are born again, and not just water baptized.

Did you never realize there is no verse that says that Jesus will leave you, or COULD........ or the Holy Spirit will depart from you if you are born again?
NO VERSES.
THEY CAN't EXIST, because this can't happen.

See, you are born again into GOD, and you are "in Christ".
WE the born again, exist within a different Spiritual Kingdom, while we are still on the earth in a body.
You can't change this, because God has caused it.
You would have to be greater than God to undo what God has caused.
And some of you think you are....
 

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A Born Again Christian can't be "lost".
Its impossible.
Jesus said so. He told us, "you shall never perish".
Thats a fact.
Can God lie?

Here is how to see it.

Jesus is in the born again, and the Holy Spirit is in the born again, and the born again are IN GOD.
We are IN ....God.
How?
Born again, INTO the Spirit of God, by the Holy Spirit. = "ONE with God".

So, if you think you can change that by your mindset or your lifestyle, then you are fooling yourself all the way to the grave.

Try to understand, that if a born again person went to Hell, then God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, would have to go with you, as you are IN THEM, and they are IN YOU....if you are born again, and not just water baptized.

Did you never realize there is no verse that says that Jesus will leave you, or COULD........ or the Holy Spirit will depart from you if you are born again?
NO VERSES.
THEY CAN't EXIST, because this can't happen.

See, you are born again into GOD, and you are "in Christ".
WE the born again, exist within a different Spiritual Kingdom, while we are still on the earth in a body.
You can't change this, because God has caused it.
You would have to be greater than God to undo what God has caused.
And some of you think you are....
But you said yourself, that no-one is lost because of sin, but because they don't believe. Are you saying that a Christian can never stop trusting? Believing? Having faith? Saving faith???
 

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It's sad that you don't seem to believe this:
As you said.
Jesus has all our sin, and we have all God's Righteousness.
= born again.


Ya ain’t gonna get a better deal anywhere in The Universe ! Such Grace ! Such Love.......what a Wonderful God we serve..... The Legalists, The Tares and others never get beyond seeing God as that “ mean old man in the sky “ , that old “ Cosmic Kill- Joy” that exist solely to take all the Fun out of people’s lives.....a shame, that.....
 
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But you said yourself, that no-one is lost because of sin, but because they don't believe. Are you saying that a Christian can never stop trusting? Believing? Having faith? Saving faith???


“ even if we are Unfaithful.....He REMAINS Faithful.....He can NOT go back on His Word....” 2 Tim 2:13

God showed this many , many times—— even in the Old Testament ! Israel constantly refused to believe and obey God, Yet God NEVER went back on any of His Promises.....He will hold on to us no matter what....
 

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I certainly believe that it is far far more difficult for Christian to finally be lost,

The true Christian’s salvation is secured in Christ. They are His sheep who were once lost and had been found, never to be lost again.

..the deceptive nature of sin. It does still separate us from God. And I know from experience, it ain't easy to come back.
I’ve read your entire post. And this got my attention. I just like to give my comments on it.

I believe this does apply no longer to the true Christians. For scriptures teaches that regarding the true Christians, that absolutely nothing can separate them now from the love of Christ.

Does sin not separate us from God? Not anymore for the true Christian who have been reconciled by Christ to God. Not anymore for the true Christian whose sins are covered by the blood of Christ.

Now, don’t think I am saying that the true Christian is free to sin. Of course not. The true Christian is free, but not free to sin. He will be chastised and disciplined by God.

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