when will the two witnesses appear and WHO ARE THEY

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And it's one thing to "love being surrounded by beauty" ...but it's not okay to walk in on women who were not fully dressed while they were getting ready for a pageant. And it's not okay to make sexual advances... kisses and touching ...and the sexual tortures he committed on some of them. And it's also not okay to make sexual comments about one's own daughters ....even as an infant, taking about her body as if he were advertising to a bunch of perverts. Those things he said to Howard Stern about his daughter's body ... SICK!! How can any Christian condone that?? You say, "He loves being surrounded by beauty"?? ...I say ...the man is a PERVERT and a sexual predator.
 

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NONE of those works will merit Trump salvation or eternal life... even naming the name of Jesus Christ, or praying, or quoting scripture (for public show). On the contrary, rejecting Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior by stating he has no need of forgiveness, no need of repenting... and doesn't even bring God into that equation ... this will merit him eternal damnation (unless he turns). He, nor anyone else... cannot be saved without repentance, confessing his sins, and asking God for forgiveness through the price Jesus paid on the cross. There is no other way into the kingdom of God.
 

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when will the two witnesses appear and WHO ARE THEY
OP ^

When - during the "trumpets" sounding, during End of days Tribulation.

WHO -
Jesus' Two Witnesses?
Michael
Gabriel



Rev.11
[2] ...the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
[3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
[4] These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zech 4:
[11] Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
[14] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Personally I lean toward the Belief that:
The Word of God (who IS Spirit) and appeared ON Earth, in the LIKENESS as a man...
(Both Before and After Gods Word APPEARED (in the LIKENESS as a man ) being called Jesus)...

Has TWO Witnesses that ARE (spirits), holy angelic spirits, (that ALSO have appeared ON Earth, in the LIKENESS as men.... )
AND STAND BY the LORD of the whole earth...(IN HEAVEN and ON EARTH)...
Where the Lord IS, so also IS His TWO Witnesses.

* Michael - Archangel - Guardian of the Nation of Israel - standing with the Lord for LAW and RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Dan 12:6

* Gabriel - Angel - With Gods Holy Word in his mouth - standing with the Lord for GRACE and MERCY.
Luke 1:19

The Lord, was IN Heaven, came to Earth, returned to Heaven.

* WHO could Be IN Heaven, come to Earth, (appear as a man), Be in Heaven...."always standing with the Lord, Testifying as Witnesses OF the Lord" ...
* I conclude only a "holy angelic spirit has Access to both Heaven and Earth" and could always be in the presence OF the Lord, as His First Hand Witnesses, of what the Lord says and does."

Glory to God,
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We have not been given their names, so you can speculate all you wish and you will not get 1 inch closer to the truth.
 

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It looks like it is exactly what I knew already, which the Lord revealed to me in 2017... about those who will fall under his spell and follow him no matter what evil he does.

Bribes (money, TVs, gifts sent without their invite) ... refusal of their votes got them harassed, threatened (to kill their children as they walked home from school), a driveby SHOOTING .... and this was not random, because it was happening to others who also refused Trump's bribes!!

I am shocked at how many people worship this evil man....
Name me one person that refused to vote for Trump and then Trump started to harrass them?
 

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Human men are created creatures out of the Earth.
Angelic spirits are created creatures with the Power to "appear" BE SEEN by Human men, in the LIKENESS "as a Human man", and are called men; "but ARE NOT "out of the earth", are not Human men".

Human men Do not Become Spirits, and Spirits Do not Become Human men.

Spirits are called, "men", when they "APPEAR" and LOOK LIKE A man.

When you SEE a little boy in a "fashion that LOOKS LIKE a lion", and the boy growls like a lion, and you call him a lion....surely you still KNOW and UNDERSTAND....he is human boy, and NOT a lion.

That’s completely a conjecture.

Angels can appear as a man, but every time they do, the text makes it clear they are angels, and nowhere in scripture do we find an angel appearing as a man die, and then be resurrected.
They lived their lives and are a type for the coming translation of the saints

I make the same demand of you: prove with scripture your above claim, or you’re also using conjecture.

To provide a foreshadow event of the coming translation of the saints, would require a dead and a living person being caught up - per the dead in Christ rising first, THEN we which are alive and remain, shall also be caught up... and a trumpet would need to sound.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 

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We have not been given their names, so you can speculate all you wish and you will not get 1 inch closer to the truth.

No one claimed the two witnesses in Scripture are identified by name.
The OP question was WHO are they.
Every response to their Identifying NAME is speculation.
Many have speculated, based on what they view as Scriptural clues...
Men have speculated...Perhaps;
Moses; Enoch; Elijah; Gabriel; Michael...
All identified IN Scripture BY NAME;
You saying...men can Speculate, is nothing new.
 

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That’s completely a conjecture.

Angels can appear as a man, but every time they do, the text makes it clear they are angels, and nowhere in scripture do we find an angel appearing as a man die, and then be resurrected.


Whether or not, an angel bodily appears as a man, or that body is known to bodily die, does not include or exclude that angel as the Lords witness.
 

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Moses and Elijah sent forth plagues and Famine respectively. In addition to fire from heaven.

Elijah and Enoch did not die. But it is appointed for man to die once then the judgement. So they still need to die so that there are no exceptions. Nevermind those who were resurrected dying twice, Rendering that interpretation moot.
 

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Moses and Elijah sent forth plagues and Famine respectively. In addition to fire from heaven.

Elijah and Enoch did not die. But it is appointed for man to die once then the judgement. So they still need to die so that there are no exceptions. Nevermind those who were resurrected dying twice, Rendering that interpretation moot.
There is a distinct difference between resurrection and resuscitation.
 

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"when will the two witnesses appear and WHO ARE THEY"

I think the Moses & Elijah theory seems the best. Though I'm uncertain as it seems doubtful they'd be sent back, and the 2 Witnesses might just be some two special future persons born a couple/few decades before they appear.
Moses body was not found. Elijah was rapturred and not found.
The 2 Witnesses perform similar miracles as Moses & Elijah did.
Moses & Elijah appeared in the transfiguration.
Elijah is named in the verses about Elijah coming first.
Moses & Elijah could also be symbolic of Jews & Christians/Jesus.
Jesus sent the 12 and the 70/72 out in pairs.
Not sure if Jachin & Boaz of the temple might be linked?

They come in the great tribulation, when the temple has been built (Rev 11:1), after the "witness" in Revelation 3:14.
In my study of Revelation I thought we are maybe at about chapter 10 now, since chapter 9 might refer to WW1 & WW2.
 

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Disagree.

Angels Are spirits.
Spirits have the power to appear AS men.
Expressly...spirits are called Angels (servants and witnesses)...OF:
God, LORD, Lord

When Angels "Appear to men", they Appear "as men" and are called "a man" (Because they Look LIKE a human man to the EYES OF a human man).

Scripture expressly delineates ...
An Angel...
Angel of the LORD...
Angel of God...
Angel of the Lord...
Mine angel...(LORD God speaking)
Mine angel...(Jesus speaking)

And.... THE Angel of the LORD.
And.... THE Angel of the Lord.

"THE" Angel of the LORD...IS Gods SPIRIT Appearing as a "man" to the Eyes of Human men.

The difference IS...
An Angel, Mine Angel....ARE "created" spirits.
THE Angel...IS "Gods Spirit", without beginning.

The NAME...JESUS...is revealed IN the NT.
The TITLE...CHRIST..is revealed IN the NT.

In the OT....THE holy anointed Word of God, sent to men ON Earth, WAS CALLED:
("THE" Angel of the LORD.)

In the NT...THE holy anointed Word of God,
Sent to men ON Earth, WAS manifested in the Likeness of men...and CALLED:
JESUS, Son of Man.

In the NT...THE holy anointed Word of God,
WAS REVEALED, He IS: the CHRIST; (the SEED of God, the POWER of God, the WISDOM of God)...and SHALL be called:
The ONLY begotten Son of God.

The ONLY begotten of "Son" of God, expressly reveals; ONLY this "holy thing", Appearing to Human Men's EYES on Earth (in the LIKENESS as a man)...CAME FORTH OUT FROM GOD...IS GOD.
This "holy thing"...IS expressly Gods Everlasting (uncreated) Spirit of God...Appearing AS A MAN, to MENS EYES, ON EARTH.

Why Did God CALL HIS OWN SPIRIT...
GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON?

To give Notice...
ONLY HE IS Gods Eternal Spirit.
ONLY HE CAME FORTH "OUT" from God.

Why CAME "FORTH OUT FROM God and NOT...OUT OF God?
Gives us Notice...
Out from...is notice, Gods Spirit is sent out from God, while remaing IN God.
Out of.......is notice, Gods Spirit would no longer be IN God.

Why is He CALLED GODS SON?
Scripture tells us.

When God Sent His Spirit "out FROM Him" to Earth, TO APPEAR to human men's EYES, (in the LIKENESS as a human man)...
GOD Himself Declared:
HE (God Himself IN Heaven) WOULD BE "A FATHER" TO He whom God SENT "TO EARTH".
He Whom God SENT TO EARTH, WOULD BE TO GOD, "A SON".


Heb 1:
[5b) ... I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son...

And WHO is "THE ANGEL OF THE LORD" in OT Scripture? The Spirit of God, in the LIKENESS as a man....(who appeared to men, Spoke Gods Word to men)....the Same who was IN the NT CALLED by the NAME; JESUS: Called the Word of God; and REVEALED IS the Christ;
The Seed, The Wisdom, The Spirit and The Power of God.

This Spirit OF God...came forth out from God IN Heaven ... TO EARTH ... IN A BODY ... Prepared of God ... A Body men Could SEE ... A BODY to be OFFERED to Human mankind...
For Earthly mankind to Accept (or Reject)...
To Receive Offered Salvation or Forego Gods Offered Salvation.
 

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To answer your question would be hard since the Jews didn’t realize John the Baptist wasn’t was the prophet Elisha. You won’t know the two witnesses until they come. But what more important is the timing of there coming. It is in revelation during the last seven years, during the wrath of the lamb. If you will study and ask God for understanding he will reveal it to you. To answer this question would take a lot of space.
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I think you all need to rethink the whole issue. First, what is the purpose of a witness. Why at this time of human history, according to the popular theory, would God send two prophets from heaven to earth. After all, Jesus already had declared that such a scenario would be of no purpose.
KJV Luke 16:27-31
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 

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The word of God has never given the date nor the time but he does give us the last generation. If you’ll read revelation 20 and when you see the angel with the seventh trumpet but does not blow it at that time but blows it after awards. It is during this time the two witnesses appear. They are killed just before the seventh angel sounds. The question that needs to be asked is when does this last generation begin. In the book of Erdras he wrote that after the third trumpet those alive will see these events. Christ said that he would shorten the days for the elects sake. With the fourth trumpet time is changed. The fifth trumpet the beast comes on the scene. The sixth a great army sets out to destroy many. Than you have the seventh trumpet. How much time is involved? The last generation.
 

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The word of God has never given the date nor the time but he does give us the last generation. If you’ll read revelation 20 and when you see the angel with the seventh trumpet but does not blow it at that time but blows it after awards. It is during this time the two witnesses appear. They are killed just before the seventh angel sounds. The question that needs to be asked is when does this last generation begin. In the book of Erdras he wrote that after the third trumpet those alive will see these events. Christ said that he would shorten the days for the elects sake. With the fourth trumpet time is changed. The fifth trumpet the beast comes on the scene. The sixth a great army sets out to destroy many. Than you have the seventh trumpet. How much time is involved? The last generation.

I like your reference of the 'last generation'. Since we have been in the last days and time since the first apostles, I dint quite know how to refer to the final days. Last of the last days, really last days just didnt cut it for me. So I will say the final generation of the last days...or perhaps the final witnesses of the last days.

Thanks
 

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:cool: I tried to disguise myself....but how can ya not recognize one of two witnesses when your light shines so brilliantly that you have to wear sunglasses to look upon is.:D:D

"...sunglasses to look upon is" Thankfully our witness doesn't depend on grammatical infallibility. So long as we get the name Jesus correct.

(And dont try to blame it on the keypad! You are Master of the keypad!